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I can't say for 100% that I would have made a case on Mocsta, but he was who I was leaning towards as the scum among the active players.
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
I can't say for 100% that I would have made a case on Mocsta, but he was who I was leaning towards as the scum among the active players. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 21 2013 13:00 Acrofales wrote: I did warn players. Both 9-bit and Macheji got a warning before the end of D1, which they ignored. I similarly warned Mandalor at the end of D3. That I choose not to do so in the thread, but in PM is because it is not good hosting practice to use the thread for personal announcements. The scum team was similarly warned with a message from Dandel about the pending modkill on Mandalor. Everybody else showed they were reading the thread. Were townies in D3 putting in enough effort to win the game? No. But that's not my job to police. Thanks for explaining. I wasn't questioning your hosting in this game earlier, just explaining how I would have tried to handle the situation (and it turns out you basically did this). On February 21 2013 13:00 Acrofales wrote: Honestly, I'm getting a bit tired of your self-entitlement. You are acting as if you had absolutely no part in the town loss and it is the host's fault for not spurring on townies to make more effort, and all townies except yourself for not playing better. It is really time you realized that your play this game was not great, and generally speaking, every member of town who is alive at endgame has blame in a loss. There is a reason you weren't killed D1: it was easy for scum to draw you along in pointless discussions and a potential mislynch. If you want to improve your play, which is what newbie games are for, THAT is what you should be looking at, and not whinging about mods not winning the game for town. None of Sylencia, sevryn, sn0_man or zarepath ever came anywhere near modkillable levels of inactivity and you suggesting otherwise is pathetic blame-seeking. I've already explained that I thought I had as much of a part in this town loss as any of the other towns. I even quoted Prom's post pointing this out, and have tried to point out specific examples of where I failed to play well. I'm sorry if I offended you. However I'm not trying to shirk blame for the loss. I'm trying to point out that Mocsta's win was not as impressive as he and his coach seems to think it is, and that I think some of the advice he's giving postgame is not as good as other advice (such as your analysis of the game, which has legitimate criticisms of my play). | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 21 2013 12:45 warbaby wrote: I swear I made like a half dozen posts questioning Mocsta's motives, and linking to his other meta with my own read that he is playing the same scum style from '35, and in the only will I posted he was my top scum read. That was never going to stick, for several reasons (1) My scum style is based on my town style. Most ppl that know me, know that. The meta points you raised were moot. The meta points promethelax suggested post-game is much more indicative, and that was just a passing comment. (2) Your case came after I was hammering you. It was an easy sell as OMGUS, the attitude you espoused also did you no favours. There was a reason I never built a case on you Day1, but kept calling you and Geript scum. (3) You had nothing on me, other than meta; which can not be the foundation of a case. Thats on par with a case built on a scum slip. (4) And most importantly, you did NOT have the town cred to push an agenda, whether right or wrong. The only reason you were considered town to corazon was around N2, when zare/sn0 lurked hard... I was a towny read to many players by the end of D1. You never could have lynched me, unless you found a huge scum slip. Secondly, you made a majority - if not all - of those posts ( i didnt bother to read them) during N1. Not following through afterwards due to me being active, is stupid and very flawed logic. You always push your biggest scum read. It doesnt matter if lurker or active. Its actually worse that you let your "apparent top scum read" take indirect control. Thats completely on you. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 21 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote: Secondly, you made a majority - if not all - of those posts ( i didnt bother to read them) during N1. Not following through afterwards due to me being active, is stupid and very flawed logic. You always push your biggest scum read. It doesnt matter if lurker or active. Its actually worse that you let your "apparent top scum read" take indirect control. Thats completely on you. I agree completely. My thinking was that I had no chance to actually stop you (or Corazon, since I suspected him as well) from taking control, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't have tried. In the post you're replying to, I was responding to geript's assertion that nobody had analyzed your play at all. I did, I just never went anywhere with it =/ Part of this is due to your good play, and part of it is due to a lack of good or even active town play (myself included). | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
Also I'm offended that Acrofales accused me of "pathetic blame seeking" and "whinging", when I was trying to reasonably discuss actions a host can take to combat lurking in a newbie mini, and am more than willing to accept my own failings in this game. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 21 2013 13:08 warbaby wrote: However I'm not trying to shirk blame for the loss. I'm trying to point out that Mocsta's win was not as impressive as he and his coach seems to think it is, and that I think some of the advice he's giving postgame is not as good as other advice (such as your analysis of the game, which has legitimate criticisms of my play). I only like calling ppl dickheads in-game, cos its part of the game and we all have our personas to adhere to. Out of game: I don't know you, and will most likely never know you. So I don't see the point. But Im going to throw that out the window, and outright call you a dickhead, out of game. (1) You're the only one pushing this "scum did fuck all" thought process and its really starting to piss me off. I already agreed, scum had this in the bag due to lurking. The component of merit was the flawless victory. And that nobody challenged me after Day1, when the game generally starts due to lynch information. You are trying to make yourself feel better by trying to piss over my efforts, and that is bullshit. (2) You don't like my post-game pointers; whatever. I am not trying to force feed anything down your throat.. Having said that: I will repeat one item to you and because I have seen this attitude in many newbie post-games: and its completely the wrong mindset if you want to improve. On February 21 2013 13:03 warbaby wrote: What are you achieiving with this statement?Yeah, it was a terrible mistake to not push a case on Mocsta. I can't say for 100% that I would have made a case on Mocsta, but he was who I was leaning towards as the scum among the active players. I believe strongly: You're just trying to make yourself feel better by trying to prove you were suspicious of me. (With your post-game knowledge may I add). Lets play along, and pretend you were seriously suspicious of me *ALL GAME* - which I already proved is not the case. Then.So what... in the end.. it comes back down to the advice I gave you personally before (even though you probably dont realise how valid it is) On February 21 2013 08:33 Mocsta wrote: this game is not about what you know... But about what you convince others to believe Realise. Sylencia called me and Sevryn scum before he died. He was right, and so what. *YOU* decided to piss that away; yet now you purport you were all over me. QED. I am now over this, and won't be responding at all anymore. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
This is a really nitpicky point, so I'll just drop it. I'm sorry if I've offended you as well, I think you are misconstruing my point. e: In case you guys still don't understand why I brought the point up with Acrofales: On February 19 2013 10:27 warbaby wrote: He gives no indication that he's going to have time to play going forward, so replacing him seems appropriate, at a minimum. And I agree, this is a stupid game. If mandalor got modkilled for inactivity (and I don't see how posting twice in 97 hours can be construed as activity) and flips town then it would be a fittingly stupid end. I don't want to just give up, but it's really frustrating  It really is very frustrating to not be able to play the game properly (although I'll admit that this perception itself was a mistake). I'm not saying this is Acro's fault at all. It sounds like he did everything he could to avoid this =/ | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On February 21 2013 13:31 warbaby wrote: But he keeps replying. Also I'm offended that Acrofales accused me of "pathetic blame seeking" and "whinging", when I was trying to reasonably discuss actions a host can take to combat lurking in a newbie mini, and am more than willing to accept my own failings in this game. there is no way to reasonably discuss actions a host can take to combat lurking in a newbie mini, the reason being is that there are no reasonable actions a host can take to combat lurking in a newbie mini. if you reply every time mocsta replies, and mocsta replies every time you reply.... what happens? and you are being a bit silly about this. what do you gain from this argument? there's nothing to be gained other than to stroke your own ego, which is not productive. so whether you agree or disagree with what's been said by people who have played many more games than you, it's time to stop arguing about it | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 21 2013 12:02 warbaby wrote: You did not establish your innocence, you established your dominance over the only other active town (Corazon). There's a big difference between appearing innocent (which you did not, at one point 66% of the active towns were after you as scum) and dominating the game because you have 1 actual opponent (after TS died). e: well, more like zero opponents, since I had given up on trying to hunt you after TS died, which I already admitted was the biggest mistake I think I made in this game. I didn't have a town read on you, I just didn't think there was any point in pursuing you when Cora and your lurker buddy would just burn me down for trying to do so (again, my fault for just giving up). Wow Warbaby. Screw you. Perhaps if you had not played like a complete idiot D1 you could have gotten more town cred and I would've been more likely to believe your ideas... | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
I'll admit I made mistakes D1, Acro already pointed this out and I said I agree with him. Thanks for being a jerk about it, though =/ I'll stop posting because thrawn told me to, but Cora you really misunderstood what I was trying to say there. =/ | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 21 2013 13:58 warbaby wrote: What? I even included myself in the list of people who weren't pushing back against Mocsta at all. And why wouldn't I assume you'd attack me for something like that? You had been tunnelling me and telling me what kind of cases I could make the whole game. I'll admit I made mistakes D1, Acro already pointed this out and I said I agree with him. Thanks for being a jerk about it, though =/ I'll stop posting because thrawn told me to, but Cora you really misunderstood what I was trying to say there. =/ Yeah but you basically said I was a non-threat to Mocsta because he had me under his thumb. That's a ridiculous statement to make saying that I made a bad read on Mocsta. There were points in the game where I was suspicious as to why Mocsta was buddying up with me so much, but he refuted that point really well (and Testsubject's tunneling of me made it so he ignored the question), so I decided to drop it. I was more likely to agree with Mocsta on you because you crumble so ridiculously easy under the least amount of pressure. You've done it at the worst times and it hurts town so much. That's why I sided with Mocsta and was more likely to believe anything he said than anything you would say. Don't blame crap on me. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
I'm even saying that my perception was wrong, and I was wrong for working on that assumption. I'm not blaming you =/ | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 21 2013 14:06 warbaby wrote: Er, it was my impression that if I had made a case on Mocsta, some combination of him, you, and (it turns out) sevryn would have manged to mislynch me for it. That's what I was trying to say. I'm even saying that my perception was wrong, and I was wrong for working on that assumption. I'm not blaming you =/ It's all good, I just need to learn to stick with my guns more. I really should've lynched Sevryn. Anyways I'm ready to forget this nightmare of a game. Too bad I can't drink... | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 21 2013 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote: It's all good, I just need to learn to stick with my guns more. I really should've lynched Sevryn. Anyways I'm ready to forget this nightmare of a game. Too bad I can't drink... Yeah, Sevryn was dead-set to be lynched Day1 . Dude, same applies to you (and other players) as I suggested to warbaby. Re-read the game; and see if you still think your town reads are still town. Mandalor did NOTHING to be a town read; yet was considered by a majority to be town. If anything cora, there is a lot more that can be learnt from this game than from NMM36.  Don't despair | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
My #1 lesson from '36 was to try to be calmer and less of a jerk. I think that will still be my #1 lesson going forward xD + Show Spoiler + If this game teaches me to be a nicer, more rational person, it'll be worth the effort and stress. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 21 2013 14:11 thrawn2112 wrote: lol we need to come up with a good euphemism for mafia.... too many bad vibes going around when people starting calling each other "scum" Can I be the first to suggest. you're a "thrawn" in my side - eurythmetics | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
Experience all that the Brown has to offer. For the Brown is like gravity. It is an undeniable truth. And the truth? The truth sets you free. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 21 2013 14:15 warbaby wrote: IMO any properly fun game is going to generate lots of bad feelings as a side-effect. My #1 lesson from '36 was to try to be calmer and less of a jerk. I think that will still be my #1 lesson going forward xD + Show Spoiler + If this game teaches me to be a nicer, more rational person, it'll be worth the effort and stress. I thought for this game it would be to not blatantly copy other game posts as a reason to be "pro-town"/promote discussion. At least paraphrase; or drop off the NMM36. | ||
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