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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
February 21 2013 05:20 GMT
#1801
haha mocsta
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 21 2013 05:24 GMT
#1802

On February 21 2013 12:02 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
If you think nobody is doing anything to stop me; its not because they think I am scum and waiting for me to slip.
Its because I have established sufficient innocence to fall down the threat priority list.
corazon had no problem constant issues in your play D1, because your innocence was NOT established. My "free ride" had nothing to do with being unintentionally ignored. I was ignored, because I was considered innocent enough.


You did not establish your innocence, you established your dominance over the only other active town (Corazon). There's a big difference between appearing innocent (which you did not, at one point 66% of the active towns were after you as scum) and dominating the game because you have 1 actual opponent (after TS died).

e: well, more like zero opponents, since I had given up on trying to hunt you after TS died, which I already admitted was the biggest mistake I think I made in this game. I didn't have a town read on you, I just didn't think there was any point in pursuing you when Cora and your lurker buddy would just burn me down for trying to do so (again, my fault for just giving up).


Wait how were Mocsta and Cora the only active townies?
Man, I really wish I didn't get killed N1. Everybody forgot about me and I didn't contribute anything but shit play.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
February 21 2013 05:26 GMT
#1803
On February 21 2013 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
It's all good, I just need to learn to stick with my guns more. I really should've lynched Sevryn.
Anyways I'm ready to forget this nightmare of a game. Too bad I can't drink...


Yeah, it was dumb of me to switch off sevryn to sylencia on D3.

I switched because sevryn was actually making what could be construed as pro-town posts, and I thought there was some merit to the idea that he was faking the roleblock claims. It was also hard to look back at sylencia's filter and find posts that were helpful to town, while sevryn did have a few of these (in between the rather effortless still-lurking posts that he tended to make).

If you refer to the big link post I made about sevryn on N2, I really was not impressed with his play. They (the scumteam) picked up on this and fixed it, but it was a mistake for me to accept their last-minute fix.

I think the lesson here is to go after someone if they look scummy over the whole length of the game, and not give up because they temporarily seem less scummy than someone else.

Also, I'm not sure anyone had a town read on Mandalor like Mocsta suggests. I thought his rather hardcore lurking was less scummy than the semi-active lurking of sylencia and sevryn, but I had a null read on Mandalor before he swooped in with his last minute post on D3.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
February 21 2013 05:26 GMT
#1804
On February 21 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 12:02 warbaby wrote:
On February 21 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
If you think nobody is doing anything to stop me; its not because they think I am scum and waiting for me to slip.
Its because I have established sufficient innocence to fall down the threat priority list.
corazon had no problem constant issues in your play D1, because your innocence was NOT established. My "free ride" had nothing to do with being unintentionally ignored. I was ignored, because I was considered innocent enough.


You did not establish your innocence, you established your dominance over the only other active town (Corazon). There's a big difference between appearing innocent (which you did not, at one point 66% of the active towns were after you as scum) and dominating the game because you have 1 actual opponent (after TS died).

e: well, more like zero opponents, since I had given up on trying to hunt you after TS died, which I already admitted was the biggest mistake I think I made in this game. I didn't have a town read on you, I just didn't think there was any point in pursuing you when Cora and your lurker buddy would just burn me down for trying to do so (again, my fault for just giving up).


Wait how were Mocsta and Cora the only active townies?
Man, I really wish I didn't get killed N1. Everybody forgot about me and I didn't contribute anything but shit play.


I was talking about active players the context of N2 and D3. I really wish Mocsta had not been smart enough to shoot you N1.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 05:28:36
February 21 2013 05:27 GMT
#1805
On February 21 2013 14:18 ObviousOne wrote:
Come play LX

Experience all that the Brown has to offer. For the Brown is like gravity. It is an undeniable truth.

And the truth?

The truth sets you free.


Dude did you read Chezinu's posts in the LIX scum qt?

Chez is totally not nuts at all, and he's playing you like a fiddle if you join his Brown Brotherhood.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 21 2013 05:28 GMT
#1806
On February 21 2013 14:26 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 14:24 WaveofShadow wrote:

On February 21 2013 12:02 warbaby wrote:
On February 21 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
If you think nobody is doing anything to stop me; its not because they think I am scum and waiting for me to slip.
Its because I have established sufficient innocence to fall down the threat priority list.
corazon had no problem constant issues in your play D1, because your innocence was NOT established. My "free ride" had nothing to do with being unintentionally ignored. I was ignored, because I was considered innocent enough.


You did not establish your innocence, you established your dominance over the only other active town (Corazon). There's a big difference between appearing innocent (which you did not, at one point 66% of the active towns were after you as scum) and dominating the game because you have 1 actual opponent (after TS died).

e: well, more like zero opponents, since I had given up on trying to hunt you after TS died, which I already admitted was the biggest mistake I think I made in this game. I didn't have a town read on you, I just didn't think there was any point in pursuing you when Cora and your lurker buddy would just burn me down for trying to do so (again, my fault for just giving up).


Wait how were Mocsta and Cora the only active townies?
Man, I really wish I didn't get killed N1. Everybody forgot about me and I didn't contribute anything but shit play.


I was talking about active players the context of N2 and D3. I really wish Mocsta had not been smart enough to shoot you N1.

It wasn't Mocsta, it was OO, damn him. In any case, look forward to playing with you guys in the next one!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
ObviousOne
Profile Joined April 2012
United States3704 Posts
February 21 2013 05:37 GMT
#1807
On February 21 2013 14:27 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 14:18 ObviousOne wrote:
Come play LX

Experience all that the Brown has to offer. For the Brown is like gravity. It is an undeniable truth.

And the truth?

The truth sets you free.


Dude did you read Chezinu's posts in the LIX scum qt?

Chez is totally not nuts at all, and he's playing you like a fiddle if you join his Brown Brotherhood.

I MUST DEFEND THE HONOR OF THE BROTHERHOOD!

Shirley, you jest? The prongs are two, like the divining rod in search of water. One prong acts as key to the game. The other prong acts as key to the fun. Two prongs, used together; an artists' work. I enlist myself as thrall in service of the art of death.

Should the method impair the madness, the madness will recede. Should the madness impair the method, the method should concede. For though the eyes of the Great Observer are ever watchful, the doubt must remain. We are players upon the greatest stage of them all.
Fear is the only darkness. ~Destiny Fan Club operator~
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
February 21 2013 05:39 GMT
#1808
Sorry, your mind virus has no effect on me.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
February 21 2013 05:42 GMT
#1809
On the upside, I realized why I'm so mad at Cora. It's because I felt like between Mocsta/Cora one of them was likely town and I was fighting 4 anti-town people. Either way Cora, it's cool. Shit happens. No matter how bad anyone has played this last game, trust me when I say that I've played far, far worse. And I mean like terrible. You just have to learn and grow.
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 06:05:40
February 21 2013 05:59 GMT
#1810
On February 21 2013 14:20 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 14:15 warbaby wrote:
IMO any properly fun game is going to generate lots of bad feelings as a side-effect.

My #1 lesson from '36 was to try to be calmer and less of a jerk. I think that will still be my #1 lesson going forward xD

+ Show Spoiler +

If this game teaches me to be a nicer, more rational person, it'll be worth the effort and stress.

I thought for this game it would be to not blatantly copy other game posts as a reason to be "pro-town"/promote discussion.

At least paraphrase; or drop off the NMM36.


Well, I started typing the same list to post in '37 but I figured I could just save time and copy paste. My inspiration is Prom's "welcome to my town, you will do [xyz sensible things]" posts, which people do not seem to freak out over as much.

Clearly a mistake, lol.

You made two really good points earlier:
  • I am in fact a dickhead, will not dispute this. + Show Spoiler +
    although it takes one to know one

  • If ever we roll scum together and use the Mocsta Technique + Show Spoiler +
    apparently v2.0 got released in '37 to mostly rave reviews
    we should be unstoppable. We both seem to have the propensity for being bossy and posting a lot


e: actually it looks like I did rephrase it, but i swore i considered just pasting the same thing from '36, to see what would happen. newbie games are place to learn, right?
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 21 2013 15:00 GMT
#1811
On February 21 2013 14:26 warbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 14:07 cDgCorazon wrote:
It's all good, I just need to learn to stick with my guns more. I really should've lynched Sevryn.
Anyways I'm ready to forget this nightmare of a game. Too bad I can't drink...


Yeah, it was dumb of me to switch off sevryn to sylencia on D3.

I switched because sevryn was actually making what could be construed as pro-town posts, and I thought there was some merit to the idea that he was faking the roleblock claims. It was also hard to look back at sylencia's filter and find posts that were helpful to town, while sevryn did have a few of these (in between the rather effortless still-lurking posts that he tended to make).

If you refer to the big link post I made about sevryn on N2, I really was not impressed with his play. They (the scumteam) picked up on this and fixed it, but it was a mistake for me to accept their last-minute fix.

I think the lesson here is to go after someone if they look scummy over the whole length of the game, and not give up because they temporarily seem less scummy than someone else.

Also, I'm not sure anyone had a town read on Mandalor like Mocsta suggests. I thought his rather hardcore lurking was less scummy than the semi-active lurking of sylencia and sevryn, but I had a null read on Mandalor before he swooped in with his last minute post on D3.


To the bold: now you know something to look for in the future.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-21 15:18:04
February 21 2013 15:17 GMT
#1812
On February 21 2013 12:33 geript wrote:
No offense to either side, I though Mocsta was scum off and on. Sure he got most of a free ride in that almost nobody questioned him or his motives. But that's not his fault. Part of the problem in the game IMO was that nobody questioned the direction of the town at almost any point and Mocsta abused that all to hell.

Part of becoming a better player in every game is learning when to question game state. When the most active/loudest voices persist, you really need to ask yourself why they're persisting. Are these people who are being manipulated? Are these people who are actively leading the town to bad decisions? What's the purpose for scum leaving them around? Sure you might argue that's all a circumstantial case, but the cumulative effects of being wrong and loud add up to something. Personally I was very surprised when neither Cora nor Mocsta wanted to discuss cases day 2 as that seemed very anti-town. I was surprised when nobody put them on blast for it.

I was actually kinda mad dying night 1 as I felt like I was going to be building momentum to steal the shared mayor position from Mocsta/Cora and get the town headed in a more effective direction. I was also mad at myself for not sharing my suspicions of Mocsta even if I couldn't find the case I wanted to make on him.


I called Cora out for that D2, but all he did was tell me to stop repeating your case even though nearly all my points were unrelated. The fact that no one backed me up probably caused me to be too quick to drop it all. That and the fact that we were actually just going in circles since Cora didn't really seem to respond based on the content of my post, but just reword his last response every time. I guess next time I need to insist that this is scummy more? I don't know that that would have helped though. :/
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
February 21 2013 17:57 GMT
#1813
Hey warbaby! I don't give a fuck if you don't think Mocsta's nomination is warranted! It's MY subjective opinion (which may or may not even be valid due to his playing more games or whatever) and if you don't like it DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM IN EIGHT OR WHATEVER MONTHS! What are you trying to accomplish coming in here and saying "You're not as impressive as you seem to think" exactly anyway? What's the POINT? Get the fuck over it, you lost.

I tried to be fucking nice.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 21 2013 18:01 GMT
#1814
lol wow VE
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 21 2013 18:21 GMT
#1815
On February 22 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey warbaby! I don't give a fuck if you don't think Mocsta's nomination is warranted! It's MY subjective opinion (which may or may not even be valid due to his playing more games or whatever) and if you don't like it DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM IN EIGHT OR WHATEVER MONTHS! What are you trying to accomplish coming in here and saying "You're not as impressive as you seem to think" exactly anyway? What's the POINT? Get the fuck over it, you lost.

I tried to be fucking nice.

I loled just a little. It appears buttons have been pressed,
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
February 21 2013 18:25 GMT
#1816
Haha VE. I certainly will not vote for him.

What's the point?

I thought Mocsta was giving bad advice in the post-game because he's extremely egotistical. He was assuming that I and others had reads on other players that we didn't have, and then gave us poor advice based on his false assumptions.

I would be fine if he wasn't playing in the game and handing out poor advice in the post-game, but since he was a player and asserting the correctness of his advice based on his self-perceived greatness, I find this behavior to be unsporting and obnoxious.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 21 2013 18:26 GMT
#1817
You are all egoistical.

I would propose y'all not post in this thread anymore.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
February 21 2013 18:26 GMT
#1818
On February 22 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey warbaby! I don't give a fuck if you don't think Mocsta's nomination is warranted! It's MY subjective opinion (which may or may not even be valid due to his playing more games or whatever) and if you don't like it DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM IN EIGHT OR WHATEVER MONTHS! What are you trying to accomplish coming in here and saying "You're not as impressive as you seem to think" exactly anyway? What's the POINT? Get the fuck over it, you lost.

I tried to be fucking nice.

I loled just a little. It appears buttons have been pressed,


Town has collectively bitched incessantly about everything in the game without any person reasonably taking blame upon themselves except zare (who seriously deserves a lot less than most other players).

I'm not sure that that indicates much learning, which is kinda the goal of Newbie games no? (Okay hilarity is another goal).
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warbaby
Profile Joined May 2011
United States510 Posts
February 21 2013 18:29 GMT
#1819
On February 22 2013 03:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 22 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey warbaby! I don't give a fuck if you don't think Mocsta's nomination is warranted! It's MY subjective opinion (which may or may not even be valid due to his playing more games or whatever) and if you don't like it DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM IN EIGHT OR WHATEVER MONTHS! What are you trying to accomplish coming in here and saying "You're not as impressive as you seem to think" exactly anyway? What's the POINT? Get the fuck over it, you lost.

I tried to be fucking nice.

I loled just a little. It appears buttons have been pressed,


Town has collectively bitched incessantly about everything in the game without any person reasonably taking blame upon themselves except zare (who seriously deserves a lot less than most other players).

I'm not sure that that indicates much learning, which is kinda the goal of Newbie games no? (Okay hilarity is another goal).


Sorry, but you're wrong. I've also been happy to point out flaws in my own play in this post-game, and not blame these flaws on other players. I do have beef with how other people on town played, but I've repeatedly said that I also played poorly.
It puts the GG in the basket. It does this whenever it's told or else it gets the Mutalisks again.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
February 21 2013 18:48 GMT
#1820
On February 22 2013 03:26 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2013 03:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
On February 22 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hey warbaby! I don't give a fuck if you don't think Mocsta's nomination is warranted! It's MY subjective opinion (which may or may not even be valid due to his playing more games or whatever) and if you don't like it DON'T FUCKING VOTE FOR HIM IN EIGHT OR WHATEVER MONTHS! What are you trying to accomplish coming in here and saying "You're not as impressive as you seem to think" exactly anyway? What's the POINT? Get the fuck over it, you lost.

I tried to be fucking nice.

I loled just a little. It appears buttons have been pressed,


Town has collectively bitched incessantly about everything in the game without any person reasonably taking blame upon themselves except zare (who seriously deserves a lot less than most other players).

I'm not sure that that indicates much learning, which is kinda the goal of Newbie games no? (Okay hilarity is another goal).

Lol dude, I apologized for my shit play during the game, but whatever floats your boat, man. I have no doubt that this game is town's fault, and as I was a part of it, my fault too. I just wish I had longer in the game itself to start correcting my play. Done posting in here; time to move on.
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