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On February 18 2013 17:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 16:39 Sylencia wrote:
When we should no lynch properly?
It is clearly the right time to do it now. Call me scum for talking about setup speculation here but so far what we have is
1 Serial Killer
1 Mafia Roleblocker (only confirmed by me, take it as you wish)
2 Mafia / Mafia Roles
1 Tracker
4 Town
4 Town / Blue
Again, take this as you wish but I have already claimed I'm not blue. That puts it to 5 Vanilla and 3 Unknown. That doesnt make sense.. we have had 3 VTs flip; 1 SK and 1 blue. *IF* you flipped VT; would that not leave 4 vanilla flipped... you wrote 5 above... i dont think it was a typo as you adjusted unknown to 3. If you going to setup speculate.. why are you inserting erroneous statements such as the above? Quite misleading if you ask me. Show nested quote +
Due to what we have seen from the setup: Nosy Neighbour doesn't affect much, it's still essentially just a green role. No one else has claimed being Roleblocked. That pretty much rules out there being a Jailkeeper. A Vigilante would've killed me by now. That leaves there to be either a Watcher or a Veteran that are likely candidates to be the other blue role. If you no lynch with a Watcher in town, and assuming they were watching Test last night because it's the obvious thing to do, they can very well watch another night on a potential target, reveal who they saw the previous night during the final hour of tonight, and if they remain alive - they can potentially reveal another. With a veteran, we stay in the same 5:3 situation but with another confirmed town member, which still leaves us in pretty much the same situation as we are in now, but with a confirmed town giving out a vote for another day.
Blah blah blah; its all WIFOM and presents a lot of "What-ifs" and no conclusion based on what we know.
As an aside: to allI fuckn hope somebody "watched" testsubject last night, but so far, no one has stepped up. The problem is.. if somebody stepped up now and said they are the watcher, and wanted to "judge reactions" I would have thought its too late to automatically believe. When TestSubject caught OO, he presented it within an hour. If we believe the "watcher" and it leads to a mislynch, and then scum NK; we are pretty much fucked.
Setup speculationThe only reason I can think of the "watching" outcome being held is if.. multiple parties visited TestSubject....(i.e. killer + ?nosy neighbour? or whatever else) This is really grasping at straws though; and I prefer to work with what I know = scum hunt.
Bleh, you're correct on that point, somehow counted TU as tracker and town.
Also, as for my double roleblock claim, why is it that only Mocsta, Sevryn and Warbaby have commented about it (all three have chosen to say I'm lying here too), and everyone else has chosen to somewhat ignore it altogether?
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On February 18 2013 22:40 Sylencia wrote:
Also, as for my double roleblock claim, why is it that only Mocsta, Sevryn and Warbaby have commented about it (all three have chosen to say I'm lying here too), and everyone else has chosen to somewhat ignore it altogether?
Because we are the only three commenting in general.. perhaps?
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On February 18 2013 22:30 Sylencia wrote:
<Insert case> Firstly, Thanks for taking the time to review the filter.
I dunno how corazon will feel about this Sevryn case considering:
On February 18 2013 16:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
If you don't make a read within 12 hours on someone other than Sevryn and Mandalor, you're getting my vote. WB won't be acceptable.
I will give my 2c anyways.
The one point you raised I agree with:
Sevyrn doesn't answer direct questions, he 'flips' them back
I agree, this is a scummy thing to do; but by itself is not scummy. I dont think the other behaviours you identified are scummy; rather...
I think most of the points raised are OMGUS, or taking the least possible scenario as the basis for being scum.
e.g.
"Sevryn pointed out scum RB.. because I only mentioned town JK"
If anything, he picked up on an erroneous comment from you and brought it to the fore.
i.e.the logic you were sprouting does not assume a scum RB exists...
considering you have been 'roleblocked twice' this is indeed convenient. - and something I did not pick up on till you quoted his post now...
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On February 18 2013 22:42 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 22:40 Sylencia wrote:
Also, as for my double roleblock claim, why is it that only Mocsta, Sevryn and Warbaby have commented about it (all three have chosen to say I'm lying here too), and everyone else has chosen to somewhat ignore it altogether? Because we are the only three commenting in general.. perhaps?
Corazon? I guess Zare is still reading up, don't know if sn0's catching up right now, and Mandalor has disappeared. Fair call I guess.
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On February 18 2013 22:48 Mocsta wrote:Firstly, Thanks for taking the time to review the filter. I dunno how corazon will feel about this Sevryn case considering: Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 16:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
If you don't make a read within 12 hours on someone other than Sevryn and Mandalor, you're getting my vote. WB won't be acceptable. I will give my 2c anyways. The one point you raised I agree with: Sevyrn doesn't answer direct questions, he 'flips' them backI agree, this is a scummy thing to do; but by itself is not scummy. I dont think the other behaviours you identified are scummy; rather... I think most of the points raised are OMGUS, or taking the least possible scenario as the basis for being scum. e.g. "Sevryn pointed out scum RB.. because I only mentioned town JK"If anything, he picked up on an erroneous comment from you and brought it to the fore. i.e.the logic you were sprouting does not assume a scum RB exists... considering you have been 'roleblocked twice' this is indeed convenient. - and something I did not pick up on till you quoted his post now...
Essentially most of my reads come from players within any player I've been banned from talking about, I'm kind of shut out of doing anything there.
In regards to what you've posted in the second statement, I didn't post that, that was TestUser? Or are you suggesting that I'm a scum roleblocker now, and that I've been jailkept twice? It would potentially hold up if TestUser didn't die last night.
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On February 18 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:
In regards to what you've posted in the second statement, I didn't post that, that was TestUser? Or are you suggesting that I'm a scum roleblocker now, and that I've been jailkept twice? It would potentially hold up if TestUser didn't die last night.
My bad, I assumed the quote was yours 
hmmm; well regardless the logic was erroneous; to be valid it needs to consider either RB or JK can exist.
I dont see how that makes Sevryn scum; if anything, its a townie trait to pick up on fine details like that.
If he was scum; and if a scum RB did exist... wouldnt he just let the comment go, so people auto assume RB is not in play?
So not suggesting whether the RB claims are genuine or not. And not suggesting you been JK > RB. I dont know, its all WIFOM.
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On February 18 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:
Essentially most of my reads come from players within any player I've been banned from talking about, I'm kind of shut out of doing anything there.
I don't see how personally.
Lets take your theory; that there is 3 scum.
Three lurkers = Mandalor, Sevryn and yourself.
Town thinks scum lies in the lurkers.
You think you are not scum.
Henceforth; at least one scum resides in the non-lurkers.
I believe the intention of corazon post, was to figure out who that "at least one" scum was.
Now... that I have to spell this out to you, is a concern....
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Sylencia
here are my thoughts after reading his filter
Sylencia starts off by posting the chances of hitting town with RNG lynch making it clear he is not going to scumhunt and instead getting ezpz town cred.
States the obvious with warbabys claim that we all knew. talked definitivly with "when he doesnt die on night 1" which leads me to think he had knowledge of the kill target. than he continues with more talk of warbaby with some setup speculation thrown in there. where is the scum hunting? these are just empty posts that he doesn't take anywhere.
All of his pressure on Warbaby is summaries of his play no questioning his motives with OMGUS posts which is just classic scum play.
Of course town will survival vote but it is much better to play more town oriented and not have to rely on it. because hey(scum will survival vote as well)
He automatically decides its a scum RB. how does he know the JK doesnt exist while the RB does? he also points out a frame possibility which seems kind of odd if I was RB I wouldn't think "ohh this is me being frameda obviously" first. why is he ready to speculate about things he couldn't possibly know as town?
All game he tunnels warbaby(while applying very weak pressure) with a foundation of a scum slip which is a really weak case that gets dismissed which is perfect for scum to look like they are contributing.
makes a big post about the RB person to step up right before saying he got blocked a sec afterwards. and then we are right back to the being framed thing.
so basically sylencia has no real contributions.
He has had a game of weak tunneling on warbaby with no real pressure
and the rest is setup/role speculation with no outcome or saying he has been roleblocked and framed to be scum.
You can have problems with my play but I have tried to be heard when my posts are getting ignored. you attack me because I put what I think outthere and you dont like my opinion.
with syl he is just blending in.
its probably LYLO and he isn't doing anything to help town.
We need to lynch this scum
##vote sylencia
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Vot Coun:
Sylencia (3): Mocsta, warbaby, Sevryn
Mandalor (1): cDgCorazon
No-lynch (1): Sylencia
Not Voting: (3): Mandalor, zarepath, sn0man
Sylencia is currently set to be lynched!
~10 hours until deadline.
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On February 18 2013 23:02 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:
Essentially most of my reads come from players within any player I've been banned from talking about, I'm kind of shut out of doing anything there. I don't see how personally. Lets take your theory; that there is 3 scum. Three lurkers = Mandalor, Sevryn and yourself. Town thinks scum lies in the lurkers. You think you are not scum. Henceforth; at least one scum resides in the non-lurkers. I believe the intention of corazon post, was to figure out who that "at least one" scum was. Now... that I have to spell this out to you, is a concern....
The three voting for me are the three scum players anyways, which essentially means whatever I say to you doesn't matter. Since the beginning of today it's been very clear that you three can push a single agenda and with so many people afk it's not hard to target someone who hasn't been making strong cases or defenses all game. I do congratulate you on the move though, because it was well executed and the double roleblock was a nice touch. I can't use that information to even make a proper post to go against you because it's literally filled with information which only I know, so it holds zero weight to anyone.
Now, I would suggest we could lynch Sevryn here, and I'd be willing to do it, but because my word is not to be trusted at this point no lynch is literally the only way we can stay alive, since it's almost guaranteed that we are in MYLO (if we're not hey, one of my guesses is wrong) but that is up to the rest of the players to decide at this point in time. To those who are not scum, there's a lot more benefit in not lynching now than following the wagon. Unless you're 100% certain I'm scum, which I honestly hope you're not since that would mean I have played the most horrible game yet, the best option here is to no lynch. (At the same time, Mandalor is completely gone and unless he comes back sometime before tomorrow, the town has already lost unless he is a Temil in which he is modkilled as scum :\)
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On February 18 2013 23:42 Sevryn wrote:
Sylencia
here are my thoughts after reading his filter
Sylencia starts off by posting the chances of hitting town with RNG lynch making it clear he is not going to scumhunt and instead getting ezpz town cred.
States the obvious with warbabys claim that we all knew. talked definitivly with "when he doesnt die on night 1" which leads me to think he had knowledge of the kill target. than he continues with more talk of warbaby with some setup speculation thrown in there. where is the scum hunting? these are just empty posts that he doesn't take anywhere.
All of his pressure on Warbaby is summaries of his play no questioning his motives with OMGUS posts which is just classic scum play.
Of course town will survival vote but it is much better to play more town oriented and not have to rely on it. because hey(scum will survival vote as well)
He automatically decides its a scum RB. how does he know the JK doesnt exist while the RB does? he also points out a frame possibility which seems kind of odd if I was RB I wouldn't think "ohh this is me being frameda obviously" first. why is he ready to speculate about things he couldn't possibly know as town?
All game he tunnels warbaby(while applying very weak pressure) with a foundation of a scum slip which is a really weak case that gets dismissed which is perfect for scum to look like they are contributing.
makes a big post about the RB person to step up right before saying he got blocked a sec afterwards. and then we are right back to the being framed thing.
so basically sylencia has no real contributions.
He has had a game of weak tunneling on warbaby with no real pressure
and the rest is setup/role speculation with no outcome or saying he has been roleblocked and framed to be scum.
You can have problems with my play but I have tried to be heard when my posts are getting ignored. you attack me because I put what I think outthere and you dont like my opinion.
with syl he is just blending in.
its probably LYLO and he isn't doing anything to help town.
We need to lynch this scum
##vote sylencia
1) Explaining how RNG is not beneficial does not give town cred, it's a completely neutral observation which anyone can and would've made.
2) Remember I was already being looked at as being suspicious. If I was scum, there's no way I'd be given the order to shoot. Jailkeeper, assuming decent deduction ability, would have a lot more options other than myself as to who to block. Knowing that I'm probably not taking the shot, there's a higher chance that they should protect the one they want not to die.
Also, how is it ever LYLO with 8 players alive? 5:3, 6:2 are the only combinations that are possible/legitimate possibilities. Are you trying to turn the MYLO situation into a LYLO situation so that people panic and decide they need to vote? Nice try.
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Sylencia
So let me get this straight.
- Your activity has been abysmal all game.
- Your case(s) is based on a scum slip
- You struggle to examine anyone in detail outside the lurkers
- Your "contributions" are primarily setup logic, that in some instances have been erroneous
& now
- You only post in detail when under pressure by vote... even though requested for over 24hrs
- You go all OMGUS and accuse all three of your voters as being scum
LOL... so let me get this right then...
- I have been hunting warbaby & to a lesser degree Sevryn all game because *WE* as a team wanted to bus each other for multiple cycles starting Day1...
- warbaby has been hunting me and to a lesser degree Sevryn all game because *WE* as a team wanted to bus each other for multiple cycles starting Day 1
- AND to top off that elaborate busing... *WE* as a team decide to double roleblock you because of WIFOM...
*Clap* Full marks for creativity. You give me too much respect if you think I can muster a plan like that.
OOO and to add to all that busing and elaborate plans; scum have decided to fully reveal themselves by unanimously voting YOU; even though its not game over with a NK... lol right...
Nice try Sylencia.
On February 17 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:
##Vote:Sylencia
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God I am so fucking frustrated right now.
All I've asked you two to do was make a case ON SOMEONE WHO IS NOT LURKING. HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?
You two sit here and pretend like my comments don't exist, my arguments don't exist, like everything I say goes over your head and that you don't even care that I'm asking you to contribute a simple thing to the town.
I can't wait to vote you two off so we can actually get to playing mafia and stop with this bullshit.
##Unvote
##Vote: Sylencia
SEVRYN, YOU ARE NEXT
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On February 19 2013 00:52 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 23:42 Sevryn wrote:
Sylencia
here are my thoughts after reading his filter
Sylencia starts off by posting the chances of hitting town with RNG lynch making it clear he is not going to scumhunt and instead getting ezpz town cred.
States the obvious with warbabys claim that we all knew. talked definitivly with "when he doesnt die on night 1" which leads me to think he had knowledge of the kill target. than he continues with more talk of warbaby with some setup speculation thrown in there. where is the scum hunting? these are just empty posts that he doesn't take anywhere.
All of his pressure on Warbaby is summaries of his play no questioning his motives with OMGUS posts which is just classic scum play.
Of course town will survival vote but it is much better to play more town oriented and not have to rely on it. because hey(scum will survival vote as well)
He automatically decides its a scum RB. how does he know the JK doesnt exist while the RB does? he also points out a frame possibility which seems kind of odd if I was RB I wouldn't think "ohh this is me being frameda obviously" first. why is he ready to speculate about things he couldn't possibly know as town?
All game he tunnels warbaby(while applying very weak pressure) with a foundation of a scum slip which is a really weak case that gets dismissed which is perfect for scum to look like they are contributing.
makes a big post about the RB person to step up right before saying he got blocked a sec afterwards. and then we are right back to the being framed thing.
so basically sylencia has no real contributions.
He has had a game of weak tunneling on warbaby with no real pressure
and the rest is setup/role speculation with no outcome or saying he has been roleblocked and framed to be scum.
You can have problems with my play but I have tried to be heard when my posts are getting ignored. you attack me because I put what I think outthere and you dont like my opinion.
with syl he is just blending in.
its probably LYLO and he isn't doing anything to help town.
We need to lynch this scum
##vote sylencia 1) Explaining how RNG is not beneficial does not give town cred, it's a completely neutral observation which anyone can and would've made. 2) Remember I was already being looked at as being suspicious. If I was scum, there's no way I'd be given the order to shoot. Jailkeeper, assuming decent deduction ability, would have a lot more options other than myself as to who to block. Knowing that I'm probably not taking the shot, there's a higher chance that they should protect the one they want not to die. Also, how is it ever LYLO with 8 players alive? 5:3, 6:2 are the only combinations that are possible/legitimate possibilities. Are you trying to turn the MYLO situation into a LYLO situation so that people panic and decide they need to vote? Nice try.
when you looked at RNG you looked at chance to hit town not scum which means you were NEVER looking to hunt scum
the JK stuff is WIFOM but you have been corrected for false info having false info more than once is just intentional
also the LYLO and MYLO stuff is just me not knowing all the terms I though they were just a different way to say the same thing it definitely is MYLO and we could vote no lynch but no lynch only works if your innocent and right now your defense looks scummy as hell with all the OMGUS) and no lynch should be brought up closer to the time cutoff
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On February 19 2013 02:14 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 00:52 Sylencia wrote:On February 18 2013 23:42 Sevryn wrote:
Sylencia
here are my thoughts after reading his filter
Sylencia starts off by posting the chances of hitting town with RNG lynch making it clear he is not going to scumhunt and instead getting ezpz town cred.
States the obvious with warbabys claim that we all knew. talked definitivly with "when he doesnt die on night 1" which leads me to think he had knowledge of the kill target. than he continues with more talk of warbaby with some setup speculation thrown in there. where is the scum hunting? these are just empty posts that he doesn't take anywhere.
All of his pressure on Warbaby is summaries of his play no questioning his motives with OMGUS posts which is just classic scum play.
Of course town will survival vote but it is much better to play more town oriented and not have to rely on it. because hey(scum will survival vote as well)
He automatically decides its a scum RB. how does he know the JK doesnt exist while the RB does? he also points out a frame possibility which seems kind of odd if I was RB I wouldn't think "ohh this is me being frameda obviously" first. why is he ready to speculate about things he couldn't possibly know as town?
All game he tunnels warbaby(while applying very weak pressure) with a foundation of a scum slip which is a really weak case that gets dismissed which is perfect for scum to look like they are contributing.
makes a big post about the RB person to step up right before saying he got blocked a sec afterwards. and then we are right back to the being framed thing.
so basically sylencia has no real contributions.
He has had a game of weak tunneling on warbaby with no real pressure
and the rest is setup/role speculation with no outcome or saying he has been roleblocked and framed to be scum.
You can have problems with my play but I have tried to be heard when my posts are getting ignored. you attack me because I put what I think outthere and you dont like my opinion.
with syl he is just blending in.
its probably LYLO and he isn't doing anything to help town.
We need to lynch this scum
##vote sylencia 1) Explaining how RNG is not beneficial does not give town cred, it's a completely neutral observation which anyone can and would've made. 2) Remember I was already being looked at as being suspicious. If I was scum, there's no way I'd be given the order to shoot. Jailkeeper, assuming decent deduction ability, would have a lot more options other than myself as to who to block. Knowing that I'm probably not taking the shot, there's a higher chance that they should protect the one they want not to die. Also, how is it ever LYLO with 8 players alive? 5:3, 6:2 are the only combinations that are possible/legitimate possibilities. Are you trying to turn the MYLO situation into a LYLO situation so that people panic and decide they need to vote? Nice try. when you looked at RNG you looked at chance to hit town not scum which means you were NEVER looking to hunt scum the JK stuff is WIFOM but you have been corrected for false info having false info more than once is just intentional also the LYLO and MYLO stuff is just me not knowing all the terms I though they were just a different way to say the same thing it definitely is MYLO and we could vote no lynch but no lynch only works if your innocent and right now your defense looks scummy as hell with all the OMGUS) and no lynch should be brought up closer to the time cutoff
Thanks for summing up what everyone else has said...
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Few thoughts to share:
1) Sylencia, there is no off-limits for you. If you want to make a triple-whammy of cases against Mocsta, Corazon, and myself... go right ahead. If you put some serious effort into it (analyzing posts and motives) then it'd go a long way towards helping me think you're not mafia scum
2) Sn0_man, Zarepath, and Mandalor are getting a free ride so far D3. Mocsta asked when this would start to get stinky -- I'd say right about now is when I crinkle up my nose and start considering lynching a real lurker (since sylencia and sevryn apparently remembered how to make post).
2a) Sevryn and sylencia have put a lot more effort into the game at this point compared to mandabore. In fact Manda will be modkilled or replaced if he fails to post at all on D3 (and especially doesn't cast a vote).
2b) Really makes me think scum is sn0, zare, and mandalore; and the three of them are just sitting back and letting town mislynch itself.
3) Corazon, what is the point of you voting sylencia at this point? He's already set to be lynched. Obviously you can vote for whoever you want, but I don't understand why you'd want to pile up on sylencia at this point.
4) How would you guys feel about lynching mandalore instead, since he's currently lurking harder than the other two? In sylencia's credit, he won't go down without a fight If I were a scum in his shoes I'd just give up, lol.
5) The status quo in this thread is entirely unacceptable =/
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Sevryn
I can't help but feel the only reason u spent time on Sylencia is because he made a case on you.
Prove to us you are here to scum hunt, and make a case on someone other than Mandalor.
My vote can still change, so don't think for a second you are off the hook.
Also, Sylencia raised a valid point I want addressed.
Direct questions your way tend to get flipped.
So I am going to re-ask you... Do you think u have scum hunted and why are your contributions better than the other lurkers
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On February 19 2013 02:32 warbaby wrote:
Few thoughts to share:
1) Sylencia, there is no off-limits for you. If you want to make a triple-whammy of cases against Mocsta, Corazon, and myself... go right ahead. If you put some serious effort into it (analyzing posts and motives) then it'd go a long way towards helping me think you're not mafia scum
2) Sn0_man, Zarepath, and Mandalor are getting a free ride so far D3. Mocsta asked when this would start to get stinky -- I'd say right about now is when I crinkle up my nose and start considering lynching a real lurker (since sylencia and sevryn apparently remembered how to make post).
2a) Sevryn and sylencia have put a lot more effort into the game at this point compared to mandabore. In fact Manda will be modkilled or replaced if he fails to post at all on D3 (and especially doesn't cast a vote).
2b) Really makes me think scum is sn0, zare, and mandalore; and the three of them are just sitting back and letting town mislynch itself.
3) Corazon, what is the point of you voting sylencia at this point? He's already set to be lynched. Obviously you can vote for whoever you want, but I don't understand why you'd want to pile up on sylencia at this point.
4) How would you guys feel about lynching mandalore instead, since he's currently lurking harder than the other two? In sylencia's credit, he won't go down without a fight If I were a scum in his shoes I'd just give up, lol.
5) The status quo in this thread is entirely unacceptable =/
I'm voting for Syl because I asked him to make a case on someone other than Sevryn/Mandalor and he makes a case on Sevryn. He's not interested in helping the town.
At this point they're just bussing each other.
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On February 19 2013 02:32 warbaby wrote:
2) Sn0_man, Zarepath, and Mandalor are getting a free ride so far D3. Mocsta asked when this would start to get stinky -- I'd say right about now is when I crinkle up my nose and start considering lynching a real lurker
4) How would you guys feel about lynching mandalore instead, since he's currently lurking harder than the other two? In sylencia's credit, he won't go down without a fight If I were a scum in his shoes I'd just give up, lol.
#2 - Agreed, we are 8 hrs from lynch. It is unacceptable for all three...But this is stating what we already said before.
#4 - I could swing to mandalor considering his input this cycle is non-existent. + i havnt liked any of his contributions all game.
But I think it is a weak heuristic to assume scum give up => Sylencia is clear.
I ask instead; has Sylencia actually put up a fight worth discussing?
It has taken until he has received multiple votes AND requests before entering the fray with a case - a pretty weak one at that as well.
I think before I could seriously consider a vote swap to Mandalor; I would want Sylencia to provide some evidence to back up why he thinks you, me and sevryn are a scum team - without being full of OMGUS.
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On February 19 2013 02:44 cDgCorazon wrote:
At this point they're just bussing each other.
Could make sense; but I think its best to save bus theory for post flip - otherwise its all assumptions/associations.
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