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On February 13 2013 09:44 Sn0_Man wrote:
You aren't helping yourself glurio.
I think I may be willing to vote Sylencia, but my read on him is Blue or Scum, not green. I read somewhere that people who seem withdrawn and preoccupied with blue roles (like Syl was when we talked about WB's pseudo-blue claim) are often blue themselves. (Somewhere is in Ver's analysis of XXX). I really didn't want to lynch Syl because he might flip blue but his contributions haven't really been in line with what I would hope a town member would try to bring to the table.
So basically, I'm willing to consolidate on Syl but I want you guys to understand the risk that he flips blue is decently high IMO.
Also, in regards to this I'm going to say that I am not blue.
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ObviousOne:
It was at the point where I had 2 votes (and somehow 2 votes was enough to have me up for lynching) where I was mentioning having to survival vote. I already explained it before why I felt that survival voting was possibly necessary for me.
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On February 14 2013 09:56 ObviousOne wrote:Okay, I failed at reading Dandel's filter. It was up a page from where I was looking: Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 09:29 Dandel Ion wrote:![[image loading]](https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2752616335/4b3ae0f60a4556ba1b2b4088d779492b_normal.jpeg) Count Vote:glurio (3): Sevryn, Mocsta, cDgCorazon Sylencia (2): warbaby, Mandalor WaveofShadow (1): geript Macheji (1): WaveofShadow Sevryn (1): Sn0_Man Mandalor (1): zarepath Not Voting (4): 9-BiT, Macheji, glurio, Sylencia Currently, glurio is set to be lynched!
~half an hour remaining until deadline.
Remember you have to vote! I admit you are correct on the point of having 2 votes.
There were 3 vote counts where I had 2 votes, 2 of them where I was set to be lynched. You are correct in that the goal of town is to scum hunt and not survival, but you don't really have a choice if it's either you or someone else who is going to die. I know I'm town, I don't know what he is, in this case it isn't about scum hunting for me but town number preservation. Of course there are times when you can take a bullet to prove people voting for you are suspicious but with 2-3 votes on the lynch target it doesn't give much information whatsoever.
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I was roleblocked last night.
Unfortunate for WoS and geript, but I believe it's more likely to be an SK over Vig here, since I mentioned Vig shooting N1 and was told it was 'too risky' for them to do it by Warbaby.
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Mocsta: Trying to find the post now, might not have been Warbaby since I can't find it in his filter. I'll post it whenI find it.
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Ok if anyone can tell me I'm not crazy:
Someone made a post about Vig shooting on night 1 and saying they were an aggressive poker player and even that was too much of a gamble for them.
If someone could help with finding this post I would be grateful.
Also for point 3 Mocsta:
- Town JK: Since I'm being seen as scum, might've chosen me to block a shot but why would the scum team ever choose me to shoot in that spot, since everyone is already looking at me. Unless they thought I was a framer, this seems unlikely.
- Scum RB: Sn0 was saying he suspected me as being either blue or scum. Knowing I'm not scum, they could possibly see that as being the best shot at hitting a blue and running iwth it.
That's how I see the RB.
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##Vote ObviousOne
I don't think we can risk him being scum and blindsiding us by saying he's SK and helping us by targetting scum.
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On February 15 2013 06:09 warbaby wrote:
Note that there is only a mafia roleblocker. If sylencia is not lying, there will still be a mafia roleblocker on N2 (unless we lynch the mafia roleblocker today).
Scum slip ? ?
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How is it possible to say for certain that there's only a mafia roleblocker, when we don't know if it was a JK or a RB?
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Sorry guys, wasn't around last night.
Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again.
Sevryn: It's not like I'm even talking about my level of scumhunting wihtout backup - you can check my filters for the other 3 games I've been in. How many cases have I truly brought up? Not too many. You guys all mention how I talk about the potential blue claim for quite a while on Day 1 - I didn't even say it's likely he's blue unless it's a Vig.
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On February 16 2013 13:59 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:54 Sylencia wrote:
Sorry guys, wasn't around last night.
Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again.
Sevryn: It's not like I'm even talking about my level of scumhunting wihtout backup - you can check my filters for the other 3 games I've been in. How many cases have I truly brought up? Not too many. You guys all mention how I talk about the potential blue claim for quite a while on Day 1 - I didn't even say it's likely he's blue unless it's a Vig.
talking about it at all isnt really something thats good for down it can only help scum on Day 1
How is reasoning someone is potentially scum good for scum?
On February 16 2013 14:16 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 14:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 16 2013 14:10 Sevryn wrote:On February 16 2013 14:00 warbaby wrote:
Sevryn, I've been working on the assumption that there are 3 scum. Let's assume you're right that sylencia and Mandalor are scum. Who do you think the 3rd scum could be?
Do you think any of the active players have been attacking you harder than sylencia and Mandlor, because they know you're the one remaining town lurker?
Does anyone think we can extend this hypothetical to scenarios where sevryn and sylencia are scum? Or sevryn and mandalor?
My point is that if two lurkers are scum, then one active player is scum, and perhaps we can spot a difference between the way active players have been treating the different lurkers. Nobody thats still alive. So there's 2 scum? ahh no that was too the second question. if we assume that there are three scum I would probably say you cora are at the top of my list which would go 1. cora 2. warbaby 3.mocsta/sno 4.zera 5.TS who is confirmed town? that actually makes me wonder is there a scenario where TS isnt confirmed townie?
If OO was scum, possibly could make a case where TS isn't confirmed, but it'd be the greatest shot in the dark if TS guessed OO did something, seeing as how he was SK and so scum have no info as to who that is.
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Who was roleblocked - seeing as it's confirmed that it's scum RB now since they didn't protect TU (unless they're playing to try make me a liar)
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Never mind - I was roleblocked again.
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I checked the forums on my phone, which doesn't have me logged in - I hopped on the computer and typed it out before even noticing the new PM.
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Right now, I don't even think they're roleblocking to block a blue - they're roleblocking me to make it seem like I'm fake claiming. Pretty sure I haven't left any unintentional breadcrumbs, the only time I've mentioned anything about my role is back at the end of Night 1, where I said "I'm not blue".
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DIdn't I already answer the question?
On February 16 2013 13:54 Sylencia wrote:
Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again.
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On February 17 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:
In the scum game I played; we got the RB to block me.. to get town cred... i can see this happening here.
Yeah, I can understand it happening once - I was considering it myself when I was scum. But why twice? And as I just said, this is the exact reaction that the scum want from me having to claim RB twice.
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On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 11:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
Because a set-up with 8 town and 5 non-town would be really imbalanced, and a set-up with 10 town and 3 non-town would also be ridiculously imbalanced. On phone: This is silly poo corazon. There have been several 13 player newbie games, each with 3 scum and never SK. You just said 10 town, 3 non-town is unbalanced... y?
Because 10 town, 2 mafia and 1 SK makes it a lot harder for the mafia to win since SK can randomly kill a mafia member and suddenly the number is cut in half, and the hope that mafia will win drops to a super low chance. The introduction of the SK in this game will be balanced by having either a higher number of blues and/or stronger mafia roles.
On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:
Why is this a contribution of merit compared to posts from Mandalor or Sevryn?
Because unlike Sevryn who firstly gets asked thoughts on specific players - in which he then responds, I don't piggyback on the opportunity to claim X lurker is scum. Does this mean Sevryn is scum? Possibly. Mandalor hasn't been around since the start of Day 2. Nothing is really known about him other than the fact he's pretty much full AFK at this point in time.
As for my case on Warbaby, if you think it's a weak case then so be it - I see there's enough for me to vote for him from what I've read.
Regarding my double roleblock - why would I double roleblock over roleblocking a person and then myself if I was scum? 1) It confirms there's actually a roleblocker in the game, 2) it 'confirms' me as town a hell of a lot more than double roleblock ever would. Given the fact you've all been suspicious of me for a while, would I really bring even more attention to myself as scum? No, but these points don't really have much weight behind them since you don't know my role.
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On February 18 2013 05:12 warbaby wrote:
@Sylencia, sevryn, mandalor
Who do you intend to vote for? Since you are all lurkers, I think it would be hypocritical of you to vote for another lurker. Further, it seems unlikely all 3 of you are scum, meaning an "active" player is scum.
Why don't you make a case against one of the "active" players: Mocsta, Corazon, Zarepath, or myself. If you put effort into making such a case, it would help a great deal to prove that you're at least trying to help town.
I'm more personally looking at no lynch today because we haven't heard from Sn0, Zare or Mandalor. What is to say they aren't cruising to victory by not having to post today and letting town hang themselves? In any case, I also have a feeling that at least one of the players has something to say about last night still.
##Vote: No Lynch.
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When we should no lynch properly?
It is clearly the right time to do it now. Call me scum for talking about setup speculation here but so far what we have is
1 Serial Killer
1 Mafia Roleblocker (only confirmed by me, take it as you wish)
2 Mafia / Mafia Roles
1 Tracker
4 Town
4 Town / Blue
Again, take this as you wish but I have already claimed I'm not blue. That puts it to 5 Vanilla and 3 Unknown. Due to what we have seen from the setup: Nosy Neighbour doesn't affect much, it's still essentially just a green role. No one else has claimed being Roleblocked. That pretty much rules out there being a Jailkeeper. A Vigilante would've killed me by now. That leaves there to be either a Watcher or a Veteran that are likely candidates to be the other blue role. If you no lynch with a Watcher in town, and assuming they were watching Test last night because it's the obvious thing to do, they can very well watch another night on a potential target, reveal who they saw the previous night during the final hour of tonight, and if they remain alive - they can potentially reveal another. With a veteran, we stay in the same 5:3 situation but with another confirmed town member, which still leaves us in pretty much the same situation as we are in now, but with a confirmed town giving out a vote for another day.
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