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On February 15 2013 01:07 Oatsmaster wrote:
Actually yamato, if Palmar showed up big, Mocsta gets instantly lynched for being the worst town player.
I agree with phagga at this point.
So THEREFORE.
We lynch slOosh.
No one is responding to my case.
I'll look at sloosh and your case before I go to work later. Right now I have class.
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On February 14 2013 19:34 Oatsmaster wrote:I think slOosh is scum because Show nested quote +So I instead choose to focus on someone like phagga, on whom no one has commented on. He says, I am so helpful to town guys. This rubs me as scummy because town doesnt care about how well they are playing, just care about finding and lynching scum. Show nested quote +Let's be clear with our language. I never called Phagga scum. Just because I'm interested in a person doesn't mean I think they are scum. Show nested quote +
Additionally, be clear with your language. I don't mind you saying "I want to see more", but don't say "start contributing" as if I haven't done anything. Cause that's total b.s.
He is really concerned about people misinterpreting his words, in other words, It means that he wants to look really townie. Only scum care about looking townie.
I disagree. I sometimes feel the same in the beginning of games (see Cheeses case on me). People have the habit to try to lynch you for miniscule stuff D1, which makes me super worried when I see someone misinterpreting my stuff. I don't think that only scum reacts this way. Show nested quote +
I have almost no doubt I'll be up for nomination tomorrow so I'm going to sit on my reads until dawn.
Because I'm definite that scum will always put 3 townies up - they won't bother risking putting one of their own into the group unless it is certain that someone else will get lynched. And right now, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Show nested quote + I assume I'll get put up because I tend to get shot N1 and I guess it's just ingrained into me that scum want me gone soon and fast. They way he is so sure that he will be picked d2 as one of the nomination candidates is really odd. Especially since he justifies it as 'I always die n1, so scum want me gone soon and fast' when if he plays good enough to get shot n1, he is never gonna get lynch d2, no matter who is up with him.
The fact that he will not get lynched D2 when he plays strongly is no reason for scum to not put him up for lynch. After all sloosh is known to be a strong town leader, and scum wants to get rid of those, so they put up players that are either a danger to them (because of their reputation) or are looking very townie. If sloosh knows that he can be a good town player (and I'm sure he does), then it is absolutely ok to anticipate his nomination.
Show nested quote +If you familiarize yourself with his meta (nicely displayed in his profile and devoid of any scum games), it becomes clearer that he is new scum whose play pales to his town play. - in this game phagga writes timidly, fluffily and without conclusions - town phagga is capable of decent analysis, or at least confidence and clarity in his posts And a quick summary which basically states the description of a town and a scum. No links where phagga is doing the thing he says. This at best is lazy, and at worst is slOosh trying to mislead us with a post that looks good with no substance.
I agree that the case is bad Show nested quote +Guys, there's nothing to speculate, either now or at morning. I've already outlined the optimal scum strategy and how I propose we counter it. slOosh says, 'Shut up, I have described the situation so I can explain why I have been chosen tomorrow. Now, dont talk so scum has an advantage due to the lack of information town has.'
The quote is from here and it is indeed interesting. He thinks he has found the perfect scum strategy, therefor he tries to shut the discussion down. What is the town motivation here? After all, if other people offer their opinions on how scum might nominate people, would town not benefit from it?
He posts the phagga case and just keeps asking people to read and opinions. This is to see if he should push the phagga lynch tomorrow.
town repeatedly ask other peoples about their opinions on their cases, don't think that's a scum tell.Show nested quote +Hey Palmar, I think we need to seriously discuss VE today, because I'm seeing some clear mafia agenda here, and little blips elsewhere. He says this, but never fully explains why VE is scum, just snipes at him and basically asks Palmar to make his case for him. Show nested quote +Oats, get off Jay. Seriously. Vote counts are extremely helpful and it's not like it's the only thing that Jay contributed. Random defense of Jay for basically slight pressure. Scum want to defend someone so that they can buddy them subtly by 'helping' them.
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VE, I apologize to you first. I was so immersed in my phagga case and was so disturbed that you totally dismissed it. You are correct in that you have been on Snarfs & prplhz from the beginning. I admit it - I can't read, which led to my misinterpretation of you and then vice versa the cycle. (similar thing happened in ... that WBG game where we nailed scum 3 days in a row ... not that it's relevant but whatever).
Mr. Cheesecake, you are a boss. I am wrong and you are right and I'm sheeping you all game because I am not as good as I thought I was. I rescind my town read on jay and my scum read on Oats. Too good. MVP right here.
Really weird post where he says, 'I am bad and you guys are totally better at the game as me' Town wouldnt want to say that because no one will take his reads seriously anymore. Scum would because they seem apologetic and cooperative. So much buddying of CC here. Show nested quote +Eh ... I guess I still have a lot of confirmation bias to deal with.
Phagga smelt like scum and I didn't like that you waived it, but that's probably because I didn't address your Snarfs case first (I guess I missed it or thought Snarfs was right at the time or something).
Also apologies to Oats. You are not daft, I just can't see scum that well.
Ahh ... what a game to go down into the annals of TL Mafia~
Keeps going with the self-depreciating attitude, and tries to buddy me too. Show nested quote +Yea ... and not to bias you or anything but I really dig Mr. Cheesecakes' scum team. You can see how they interact with each other. Not that it's valid until you get some flips going, but at this point I've invested enough time into the game for it to click in my head. Oh, and I also could be wrong, so ... yea. Rereading is great!
Show nested quote +Oh, yea I suppose. It would be very foolish and humiliating to start celebrations and then end up losing because of arrogance. Excited to do this with you guys. I guess I'll do some homework now and come back at the deadline.
Again, 2 really cooperative and 'helpful' posts. And again self-depreciating
Yes, these posts irritated me to. It kinda seemed like he felt caught and tried to look better by apologizing. Specially the "MVP right there" to Mr. Cheesecake was waaaaaaaay over the top. Cheese has gotten one Scum so far of four, and the game is still going. Show nested quote +The best piece of information from this is understanding how D3 played out and people should check that out.
At this point, I would assume that slOosh has really strong reads.
my own reads got really mixed up by last nights events, and I had/have to reread some stuff myself. I can agree with his quote.
prplhz is the safest / best lynch for next cycle: you can read his filter and look at his interactions with Snarfs and VE, as well as the total apathy he had concerning the D3 lynch.
And a totally lazy case which he does NOT back up at all with anything, and in fact
Pushes phagga as an association case.
I saw scum doing this too. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mentioned that in my post to sloosh as well.
There are some good points in your case, I would really like to hear slooshs answer.
And with this I'm off to the train. Will probably be online again tomorrow as I wrote earlier.
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On February 13 2013 20:31 Oatsmaster wrote:
Of course, cause there is no way scum would switch their vote when he feels that it is suspicious if he keeps going for it, and since there is no traction for the other lynch.
So Phagga, who is scum?
Sorry, forgot about that one. Djo and Jay for now.
Jay: there is stuff in his play that does not make any sense. See Palmar lynch for an example.
I had a scum read on Djo earlier, will be interested to see what debears does. He has around another 48 hours to show me that I might be wrong.
earlier reads:
Yamato: he looks townie at times, scummy at others. I feel unsure about him.
VE: I took the time to reread his stuff, and I do no longer feel confident lynching him.
Regarding the current nominees. I think the probability that one of them is scum is rather low. So it will mostly be who I think has made the most useful analysis so far. I will be back with more tomorrow.
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@Oats, in chronological order of posts:
Town have very good reason to care about how they look. Ver's guide has #1 priority as establishing your innocence. In my last game (dessert mini), I let stuff slide because I figured that town was smart enough to read between the lines. I was wrong, and it aided in my lynch (as a SK but I was playing as a townie). I'm being very clear with my intentions and not letting people (either maliciously or innocently) misconstrue them. That is true for any alignment.
I was sure I'll be put up since I was AFK for the majority of the day, and I perceive myself a decent player. If you (or anyone else) want to consider the "town cred" argument, look at a quote from Ver's guide:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 09 2012 15:49 Incognito wrote:III. Mafia Survival v. Pushing Your Agenda Although the temptation of appearing to be the most “pro-town” player may be great, you often cannot hold this status for long enough as mafia for it to truly benefit you. Town players who gain the “pro-town” status usually are able to hold onto it because their motives are consistent throughout the game. However, as a mafia, the longer the game goes, the harder it will be to keep your story straight, and the easier it will be for you to lose your status. In other words, “town credit” decays over the course of the game. Against a competent town, don’t expect that you can set yourself up for a free win by acting too pro-town early in the game. Many newer players will often erroneously overvalue town credit. In reality, town credit is very fickle and lynches are seldom based solely on someone's town credit.
As for my case, clearly you guys are having an issue with meta. Look - I'll take out the meta part. What do you think of it?
+ Show Spoiler +On February 09 2013 17:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 15:19 slOosh wrote:
That said, we don't want to focus the discussion primarily on the candidates tomorrow. Because if three townies go up (probably the case), it is to scum's advantage to focus discussion on them.
1) Because it means attention drawn away from their selves.
2) Gives them ammunition to work off for future lynches.
In any case the discussion should also be driven and moderated and lead by the candidates. You know it's gonna be at least 2 townies, so by following their lead we will have good (town motivated) direction.
It's like you guys don't even read. The worst outcome of today is time wasted by focusing on the nomination candidates. Let me and Palmar take front wheel and scumhunt into the non-nomination pool, of which we would all agree are at least 3 scum. If we are both town, then our interaction should produce a strong scum lynch list. If one of us isn't, then our interaction should reveal whom to lynch today. Again: D1 information is critical. We can't let scum skate by today pretending to scumhunt by choosing the least towniest of three people, because it is oh so easy for scum to fabricate town reads (no cognitive dissonance and awkwardness of interacting with a teammate naturally). If I sound like I'm repeating myself, it's because some players aren't getting it, and it's letting scum hide.
The low hanging fruit in this game is phagga. If you familiarize yourself with his meta (nicely displayed in his profile and devoid of any scum games), it becomes clearer that he is new scum whose play pales to his town play. I've pointed out in my earliest post what I found about phagga to be interesting. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 01:21 slOosh wrote:
I found phagga's entry into the game pretty weak (of all the things to talk about he picked out something pretty minor) and his "coaching" of Mocsta very unnatural. What are your thoughts on him? I pointed it out when I distracted myself by latching onto the yamato thing here, but the tells are pretty valid. He has a focus on lurkers, "contributing" statistics and reasoning. His "coaching" is very awkward, as seen: Show nested quote +On February 06 2013 18:09 phagga wrote:Regarding you, Mocsta, I don't agree with VE that you tried to establish a good town atmosphere. You are writing calm, but some things you posted like Oats, this game is obviously too much of a step up in difficulty for your current forum-mafia skill level.
Just quit and let someone that knows how to play replace you. are not helping creating a good town atmosphere. Did you really think Oats would say "oh well, I guess he's right, can I get a replacement GMarshal?" This subtle stabs have a tendency to poison town atmoshpere much more than the shouting of Oats did, and I did not like this at all. Considering that everything else you posted is barely alignement indicative, I'll be interested to see more from you. Awkward checklist: - Talking to Mocsta rather than VE concerning Mocsta's play, over something he disagrees with VE about. - Stating that Mocsta is writing calmly, but then dismissing everything else by saying it is alignment null, i.e. devoid of content - Pointing out to the subject himself the problems with his play rather than convincing / discussing with other people.
Compare this to a D1 post (about three quarters into cycle) from Wheel of Fortune Mafia:
On April 23 2012 16:22 phagga wrote:Mr. Zentor: I don't like how his " really long post" was actually not long at all, but only full of quotes. If we ignore the quotes, the post was quite short. So why announce it as long? His case on prplhz was weak, and when asked a second time why he thought that prplhz was still scummy, he never answered. His style is unnecessarily aggresive. VisceraEyes: His Filter shows 5 ingame posts, which is more than I have, but unlike me he is notorious for being very active borderline on spamming, trying to direct people and generally being helpful to town. He is completely lacking these features this game. His townread post is suspicious, I can't remember him making townlists like this in the last games? His behaviour currently reminds of the Bastard game we just were in, where he was SK. Ace: I don't like how he has basically been talking about game mechanics and shown no interest in hunting scum. However, I've read some games where he was in (last was space station) and I think this is part of his D1 play? Not entirely sure. Radfield: He would not have shown up in this list was it not for sbrubbles points. I think they are very legit, and I look forward to Radfields reaction.
Very straightforward, gives clear thoughts and explanations, talks to town in general rather than the subjects.
Another contrast is his fear of taking a hard stance, a common tell among newer scum players. Notice how many scum tells phagga is able to point out, and compare that with his final conclusion: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 06:26 phagga wrote:I was rereading your dialogue with Sloosh, and the other post was already big enough. 1: I don't like how you accused him of making an association case (which he was clearly not), and 2: how you tried to dodge his questions. you not wanting to give town reads is not really alignment indicative. 3: You're case on Mocsta is rather weak, the tone of his posts vs Oats is completely different than what you posted from his scum game. 4: Your reaction to sloosh's questions feel over the top. You seem to bark at him for no good reason instead of just trying to answer his questions. It feels partially like someone who just got caught in the act and tries to hide it. Specially the following two posts stick out: On February 07 2013 03:42 yamato77 wrote:
I said I agree with the general scumminess of phagga, in that he has some of the things I think mafia might do in his play so far.
What I didn't tell you is why I doubt those, and I'm not going to. You've got to do better than equate phagga to Mocsta to prove he's scum.
You're making an association case here, which is incredibly scummy this early in day 1. and On February 07 2013 03:45 yamato77 wrote:
Let's talk about why YOU think Phagga is mafia, Sloosh. You've said you think I should because of similarity to Mocsta, but aside from your first post you've done little to justify the read in the way of meaningful analysis from a personal perspective. 5: Afterwards everything else is just you attacking him until prplhz points out to you that it might be beneficial for you to actually answer slooshs question. The way you explained why you thought I was town actually showed that you have reasons to believe so, and it's not because you'd actually know my alignment, which seems townish. Still, due to your reaction I slightly lean scum on you. Regarding Sloosh: Nothing I have read so far indicates that he would be scum. The counterbalance to five points is yamato's town read explanation "which seems townish". There's a clear disconnect here people. phagga's newb scum play is showing: he is afraid of committing to a stance despite being able to list much evidence. And there are the empty promises he often makes, because he can't make actual reads: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 18:55 phagga wrote:
I will read up on Djo and Snarfs at the next possibility and comment on them. Doesn't do so. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:51 phagga wrote:
Snarf I feel unsure about, have to read up fully on his case on VE. I currently think he might be right about VE, so I do not want to lynch him Doesn't comment on the case at all, and his "grilling of VE" concludes somehow, with this: Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 09:52 phagga wrote:
- VE is not a good lynch today, i do not agree with prplhz there.
Show nested quote +On February 09 2013 16:21 phagga wrote:
I have a small post put together with thoughts/questions on some other players before yesterday but did not post it because I did not want to influence nominations. I will not post it right now, as D2 is fresh and the current vote discussion is more important, but I will put it up later (latest beginning of D3). More excuses not to post reads, because he doesn't have any. For someone who "took my advice" on rereading the thread (seriously why credit me with that), he clearly didn't read anything else I had to say since he is doing the exact opposite.
So, yea that's that. We can start there. Palmar I want you to comment your thoughts on VE. Also, a fleshed out read on one of Cheesecake, snarfs or prplhz.
As with VE, I thought he was scum and wanted some input from Palmar. You know I'm not just bluffing and getting Palmar to do it for me, because I provide my reasoning (compiled in this post):
+ Show Spoiler +On February 12 2013 02:27 slOosh wrote:... You seriously ask me to bump when I have a 2 page filter? Really? You can't do this yourself? Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 06:37 slOosh wrote:Hey Palmar, I think we need to seriously discuss VE today, because I'm seeing some clear mafia agenda here, and little blips elsewhere. On February 10 2013 02:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to do a full reread now and look forward to chatting with the nominees about tomorrow's lynch. On February 10 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not sure I agree where phagga is concerned, but we'll deal with that tomorrow. Today I'd like more input from the lynch candidates and everyone's thoughts on who they want to lynch today. Says he wants to chat with nominees about tomorrow's lynch. Disagrees about phagga, but wants to talk about it tomorrow. Could you focus your attention on him when you can? He is one of the more slippery players and it would be great if we could consolidate / clarify our read on him. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 08:23 slOosh wrote:
Ok VE. Say something scummy and then pass it off as a joke, and then call me scummy whilst doing so. That's cool.
I've already stated my case. You said you have problems with it but have provided 0 reasoning, 0 evidence and 0 thought process on why. And then you expect me to extract all relevant information out from you, after stating that you wanted to talk with me.
You're full of it and I'm gonna talk it over with Palmar. Now in the meantime why don't you actually do what you say you would do and talk about why you disagree about phagga. Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 06:49 slOosh wrote:On February 10 2013 22:32 Mocsta wrote:
SlOosh, may I ask who you are planning to lead with on day3? Not sure if I understand this question - if it is who do I lynch first, it's phagga, because it's the clearest and best chance flip. I like Palmar's list as it has good overlaps with mine. After phagga, I'd probably start convincing people that VE is scum, then maybe prplhz. A strong reason for this is that VE and prphlz are objectively experienced / good players and they are focusing on today's lynch and avoiding talking about anything else. Think about it from a townie perspective. If you conclude that the nomination candidates are all town, then why would you bother spending your time and energies choosing which one to lynch? As if making the correct townie lynch will win the game for us? No, if you conclude that all nomination candidates are town, you should be focusing on who you will lynch tomorrow. You should scumhunt. 4 out of 8, I repeat 4 out of 8 players are scum if there are three townies up for nomination. And you seriously spend time looking at the three townies? Total bull. I've been saying this the whole time, and maybe it's more evident now as you've seen how D2 has played out, but there are clearly people who don't want to talk about anything outside the current nomination pool. What's more is that some of these people clearly think that the candidates are all town, so why would they bother waiting for the lynch before they start contributing? If someone thinks we are town, then they must have some degree of respect for Palmar's / my play, or in the very least desire to dialogue with another townie about their scumreads etc. Why wait for one of us to die? Why wait? Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 09:05 slOosh wrote:
LOL. Ok, dismiss everything I said by calling it a meta case. Anyone objectively reading the case could see that there is only 1 point in which I draw a meta analysis, which serves to strengthen a point that is already there.
- in this game phagga writes timidly, fluffily and without conclusions
- town phagga is capable of decent analysis, or at least confidence and clarity in his posts
It doesn't matter if phagga is having an off game, because that is not the distinction I make. He scummy this game. You could argue about the use of meta but it's at best moot - take out meta and my case still stands just as strong, and it's incredibly scummy to dismiss the entire thing by strawman argument.
I'm not drawing any associations from my phagga scum read. This is the exact same thing with yamato. Regardless of phagga's actual alignment, townies should act a certain way given what they have said. VE said he wants to talk to me about tomorrow's nominations. I presented my phagga case. VE did nothing at all in lieu of participating / contributing to the discussion, but all he did was say that he disagreed with the case (and didn't say why until I called him out on it).
What VE did is scummy independent of phagga's alignment.
As for the last posts, think of it from my perspective. I missed some posts, got some confirmation bias and tunneled VE hard - the wagon that ran against Snarfs. It was a humbling epiphany. If you think it's overdone, then that's just my character.
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@Mocsta, I'll address yamato when I have more time later tonight.
I think all nominees are town.
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Yeah that looks way too prepared.
Im not saying that you shouldnt look like a townie. Its just that no one SAYS that they want to appear as town. It just happens if you play a certain way. Telling people that you am town, even subtly, is not the way that you look like town.
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My reads are all muddled again.
Time to mulligan again. It worked last time with VE/Snarfs, in that I came to the same conclusion after rereading, so we'll see tonight how this goes.
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On February 15 2013 06:13 yamato77 wrote:
My reads are all muddled again.
Time to mulligan again. It worked last time with VE/Snarfs, in that I came to the same conclusion after rereading, so we'll see tonight how this goes.
Think about all the risk of putting two scum in the nominations. Not once but twice. (As I understand it thats what you believe)
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On February 15 2013 04:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah that looks way too prepared.
Im not saying that you shouldnt look like a townie. Its just that no one SAYS that they want to appear as town. It just happens if you play a certain way. Telling people that you am town, even subtly, is not the way that you look like town.
Look, we are arguing how to play mafia as the basis of you determining my alignment. If you disagree of how a town player should play and that I am not meeting those criteria, there is de facto no defense. I can argue that your standards need tweaking, but that is an argument on how to play, which we can argue to the end of time with no meaningful results, since it is a topic that we can argue about post game as non-players.
I think we should lynch prplhz and phagga. The best criteria for figuring out who is scum or not is figuring out who is scumhunting and who is not (or just pretending).
prplhz has not produced any meaningful content since the first cycle. He is very detached from the game and it is difficult to see any investment in his filter in trying to figure stuff out, or pushing for viable lynches. His cheesecake case came in at a time when the discussion is clearly centered VE vs Snarfs - it is totally detached from the game. Mr CC said that he found this a ballzy to make a case on someone who can't get lynched, but I'd repeat the same sentence with a different emphasis. Scum have plenty to gain by making a case on someone who can't get lynched, because they look like they are scumhunting but the backlash of a townie flip isn't there. You have posts like this where he likes Snarf's case but doesn't have any opinions on Snarfs himself (usually when you like a case someone else makes, you would have some degree of town tell on them wouldn't you?)
On February 08 2013 03:16 prplhz wrote:
I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes.
On February 08 2013 08:28 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 08:20 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmm this ve stuff phagga in conjunction with snarfs case isnt looking good for ve.
[...] You can't mention Snarfs case as reasonable for possibily lynching VisceraEyes when you have said (repeatedly) that it isn't a good case. I can do that, however, since I've always liked Snarfs case. I don't like the looks of VisceraEyes. I'll lynch him over JieXian.
On February 08 2013 10:01 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 09:23 phagga wrote:
prplhz: You wrote twice that you want to lynch jaybrundage, but never voted him. Now you have voted VE without giving reasons. Why is he now the better lynch then jay? I gave reasons. Snarfs case and your analysis. I don't know if he is a better lynch, but jaybrundage isn't getting lynched at all. I just don't like the JieXian lynch.
On February 10 2013 09:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm still leaning scum on VisceraEyes and I don't really know about Snarfs either.
I haven't bothered making a case because I would think it is painfully obvious by now, and it's disturbing why we haven't a spoken consensus to lynch him tomorrow.
phagga also isn't scumhunting, but it isn't as blindingly obvious as the lurker prplhz. Look at his lines of questioning - they are painfully weak and it's not so much him trying to gather information to make conclusions, but just asking around. The two biggests reads he has had in the game, yamato and VE were dropped when town sentiments were different. He is go-with-the-flow blendy scum.
Mocsta, there are a couple of things I dislike in yamato's recent posts, but not to the degree where I would prioritize him over prplhz / phagga.
Mr. Cheesecake I'll be reviewing jay now - I guess he isn't as apparent to me but that's probably because I haven't given him a good go yet.
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@ Mr. Cheesecake
Concerning jay, I think he is town.
For instance, he actually fought against my VE lynch also to push the yamato lynch.
On February 12 2013 03:29 jaybrundage wrote:
SlOosh I agree with your VE case as I noted last cycle. But I believe that Yamato should be the lynch of choice today. He deflected two cases on him with out giving anything of a response. He did the same thing in Normal Mini Mafia VI when i posted an accusation of him. He legit completely ignored it.
SlOosh you haven't given your thoughts on the Yamato case. What do you think about.
On February 12 2013 05:55 jaybrundage wrote:
SlOosh Why would you say that Yamato isn't happening. Its even with VE and Snarfs is leading by one. It's a bit to soon to say which lynch is gonna happen and which one isn't Yamato also has plenty of content to read over. The way he has hard defended some scummy people (prplhz, VE) Will also help to give a better read of these people. I would even say that Yamato would give way more information then VE. Also I think he's scum. Do you disagree with my case at all? Do you think Palmar was mistaken?
Also saying that we are lynching between scum is a big assumption. It makes people care less about the lynch and lets scum get away weak bandwagoning. The biggest part that annoys me is your declaration of Yamato lynch not happening. Why do you say that. If anything Yamato seems like it has quite a bit of resistance.
Also given The votes that are being thrown on Snarf I do not want to lynch him today. The people voting him are the same people Palmar noted as being likely scum.
I also find prplhz's vote on CC to be rather bad hes dividing the vote for no reason. I don't see him
His follow up on yamato is pretty consistent.
On February 12 2013 12:18 jaybrundage wrote:
@Yamato I don't wanna lynch Snarfs. Who's the next person on your list.
On February 12 2013 13:09 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:Learn to suck it up Jay, people wont always agree with you. Hell this post is just calling me out for something dumb. And then saying how much you love scum VE. VE has to bus one of his teammates at this point. I bet out of his three scum reads one might be scum. He's doing it so it isn't way to obvious who his scum partners are when he dies. If you want to say im scum you can go look at my games when im town and i legit straight up sheep palmar.
Its my town meta bro. So your town meta is sucking at the game. Cool. So Jay, I am not sure what you mean by 'I can see the bussing going on already' Care to elaborate with examples? @Oats This is the shit im talking about. You dont have any content in your posts. You make a snide comment, Insert a question/ask for clarification. While not fucking adding any thoughts of your own. You also ask the most easily answered questions. You could legit just think about it for a moment and come up with an answer your self but instead you just ask it anyway to appear to be doing something. Look at my scum team post. See if any of the plays are voting/casting suspicion on each other. Done that's it. Thats bussing. Example: VE calling prplhz scum. Its not hard to read these things for your self. Your complete lack of your own thoughts this game makes you more and more likely scum. @Yamato Yea God forbid I actually follow the best scumhunter on TL shame on me. Im sooo bad QQQQQQQQ Stop trying to discredit my read on you with out actually addressing it. You never responded to Palmar's case either btw. Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 12:04 yamato77 wrote:
The fact that I'm getting called out for doing "jack shit" is a damn lie.
Stop being a sheep, jay. Yet again you make me following Palmar's read so bad. Yet why is this bad Yamato. Do you think Palmar is scum trying to push a mislynch on you. OH WAIT LOL HE'S CONFIRMED TOWN. I forgot about that. Welp why don't you just straight up call Palmar a baddie then and end it there. What happened to your OMGUS im pretty disappointed you dropped it after you figured that lynch with my name on it wouldn't go anywhere. Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 12:44 yamato77 wrote:
Stop being dumb, jay made no "counter-case". He's just a sheep of Palmar. I am realizing this as I go along. You need to get out of your confirmation bias and do something productive besides argue with people endlessly this game. Your amount of analysis is pathetically low in this post. You never responded to my post. I don't wanna lynch Snarfs. Who's next on your list.
On February 12 2013 13:23 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.
Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.
So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?
Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts. 1 Hey last game I was scum I used attacks on Bugs to rile him up and make him not think clearly. Nicely done. 2 Stop using emotional bullshit to try to pull out a response from people. Also you refuse to find a second candidate. WTF is this? If your town then start looking. Snarfs is not gonna be killed today. I have said this like three times and you refuse to answer. WHAT'S YOUR SECOND SCUM READ
With respects to Palmar, I think he just really respects Palmar and respects his reads (Student Mafia if anyone remembers was a game where Palmar smurfed and caught jay and his 3 man scum team day 1.) Not too much of a stretch to think this could be townie holding Palmar reads in high regard.
Posts like this I really like - I don't think we should lynch him before prplhz and phagga.
On February 14 2013 15:34 jaybrundage wrote:
Also I would also try to focus the lynch on tmw. If there are actually three townies on the board then we waste time talking about who we want to lynch. Scum can get away with talking about whos the scummiest of the three townies.
What we should do is simply pressure our actually scum reads and not whos on the block.
Yamato, VE what are your thoughts on Phagga and Prplhz?
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On February 15 2013 08:20 slOosh wrote:
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prplhz has not produced any meaningful content since the first cycle. He is very detached from the game and it is difficult to see any investment in his filter in trying to figure stuff out, or pushing for viable lynches. His cheesecake case came in at a time when the discussion is clearly centered VE vs Snarfs - it is totally detached from the game. Mr CC said that he found this a ballzy to make a case on someone who can't get lynched, but I'd repeat the same sentence with a different emphasis. Scum have plenty to gain by making a case on someone who can't get lynched, because they look like they are scumhunting but the backlash of a townie flip isn't there. You have posts like this where he likes Snarf's case but doesn't have any opinions on Snarfs himself (usually when you like a case someone else makes, you would have some degree of town tell on them wouldn't you?)
jaybrundage brought up the same point and it's really dumb. If I had not written a case on Mr. Cheescake then I would not have pushed my biggest scum read and then you would have attacked me for not pushing my biggest scum read. You're putting me in a lose/lose situation and that's dumb. Using that logic, any player whose biggest scum read is outside of the discussed players is scum and that's obviously wrong. At the same time you're saying that I never believed that Mr. Cheesecake could be lynched which is also wrong. I was really hoping that case would get some more attention than it did but again I was pretty much ignored. Being ignored so much probably put a damper on my interest in this game.Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:16 prplhz wrote:
I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 08:28 prplhz wrote:On February 08 2013 08:20 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmm this ve stuff phagga in conjunction with snarfs case isnt looking good for ve.
[...] You can't mention Snarfs case as reasonable for possibily lynching VisceraEyes when you have said (repeatedly) that it isn't a good case. I can do that, however, since I've always liked Snarfs case. I don't like the looks of VisceraEyes. I'll lynch him over JieXian. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 10:01 prplhz wrote:On February 08 2013 09:23 phagga wrote:
prplhz: You wrote twice that you want to lynch jaybrundage, but never voted him. Now you have voted VE without giving reasons. Why is he now the better lynch then jay? I gave reasons. Snarfs case and your analysis. I don't know if he is a better lynch, but jaybrundage isn't getting lynched at all. I just don't like the JieXian lynch. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 09:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm still leaning scum on VisceraEyes and I don't really know about Snarfs either.
I haven't bothered making a case because I would think it is painfully obvious by now, and it's disturbing why we haven't a spoken consensus to lynch him tomorrow.
I'm not scum though, I doubt it's painfully obvious that I'm something which I am not.
phagga also isn't scumhunting, but it isn't as blindingly obvious as the lurker prplhz. Look at his lines of questioning - they are painfully weak and it's not so much him trying to gather information to make conclusions, but just asking around. The two biggests reads he has had in the game, yamato and VE were dropped when town sentiments were different. He is go-with-the-flow blendy scum.
Probably not though.
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You're putting words in my mouth there prplhz.
It's not the presence of your CC case that I have issue with but the lack of any meaningful insight into the current issue at hand that everyone was trying to figure out. I also never said that you didn't believe that CC could be lynched, I said that just because someone makes a case on someone who isn't likely to be lynched isn't that useful of a heuristic.
In any case you clearly seem to have opinions / reads but don't seem to want to share /expound any of them.
I'm willing to listen prplhz - who should we lynch tomorrow?
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I read prplhz a bit like Annul in Mafia LIX.. i.e. guy that is self-centered and being ignored, so loses interest. but Town none-the-less.
Out of my reads given prior to nominations; I am firm on VE / Yamato.
If I am left alive, I will be pushing for VE head next cycle (as lets be honest here, yamato is not a threat regardless of alignment; the same can not be said for VE)
Mr. CC was my weakest read; so I will being to formulate my case for Mr.CC. I will have this ready at some stage tonight (work is too busy today to do a case) so probably in 12hrs.
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I disagree with a sloosh lynch today. His posting from early d1/d2 makes me think he is most likely to be town out of ghe three.
Between cc and mocsta, I see mocsta as more likely to be scum. Ill have to reevaluate (at page 50 now) once I catch up
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Oh my.
DEBEARS. why are you so slow?
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On February 15 2013 10:30 slOosh wrote:
You're putting words in my mouth there prplhz.
It's not the presence of your CC case that I have issue with but the lack of any meaningful insight into the current issue at hand that everyone was trying to figure out. I also never said that you didn't believe that CC could be lynched, I said that just because someone makes a case on someone who isn't likely to be lynched isn't that useful of a heuristic.
In any case you clearly seem to have opinions / reads but don't seem to want to share /expound any of them.
I'm willing to listen prplhz - who should we lynch tomorrow?
Hmm okay. I guess didn't consider it a huge issue who to lynch of them, considering I'd rather lynch a third player. I guess that's something of a "solution" too, right? I don't know what you mean abuot "isn't likely to be lynched", as I recall I made the case rather early in the day so that we'd have plenty of time to discuss and change to him and I really believe in that case. If you don't think so, well then you are wrong.
I don't really know. I just want to lynch Mr. Cheesecake today and I think it's completely insane to lynch Mocsta. He's arguably the player who has shown the most interest in this game so far. I guess you'll agree that lynching you is also subpar, mostly I think your switch yesterday looked crazy and I doubt it's something that scum would do. I'm running out of people to call scum and I guess that's why I'm also reconsidering yamato77.
I don't really want to lynch Oatsmaster, Mocsta, Djodref, you, probably not yamato or jaybrundage or phagga. Guess that leaves me with VisceraEyes and Mr. Cheesecake but for some reason that doesn't seem all too right for a scum team. I mean there's one guy missing then.
Maybe I have to totally reconsider the game but it's hard to conjure up the effort to do that when you are universally ignored and almost universally branded as scum.
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Its ok Prp, I dont think you are scum.
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On February 15 2013 11:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Its ok Prp, I dont think you are scum.
Man what is your problem.
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The problem that I am currently facing, is either that was a really good bus, or CC is town.
I am inclined to think that CC is town..
So confused now 
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On February 15 2013 11:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Oh my.
DEBEARS. why are you so slow?
Cuz I'm thorough. I have a good idea where to head for the next lynch. I have to look at the 2 candidates for this lynch closer.
And I'm on a bus ride reading fro. Phone :/
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