Do you have any other scum reads?
Can you try and convince me?
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Do you have any other scum reads? Can you try and convince me? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 14 2013 17:10 Oatsmaster wrote: My apologies. Do you have any other scum reads? Can you try and convince me? What about the stuff I have posted isn't convincing? | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
READ MY POSTS WHERE I NAME CC AND OATS AS MAFIA From your later posts, I assume this is no longer the case. Who are your other scum reads besides Mocsta? | ||
jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
Why doesn't a prplhz phagga, debears team or something not make sense. I think its getting way to heated and is not helping anyone think logically. I think that it is still most likely three townies even after reading both arguments. Also your argument doesnt make much sense. Its really bad logic and alot of WIFOM Bold is me responding On February 14 2013 16:41 yamato77 wrote: If Mocsta and Sloosh are town, and read town by everyone, why would mafia even try to put them up again? Um because mafia wants to kill the towniest looking townie duh Wouldn't they try to put up different people that others read town in the hopes that they get lynched instead? Why then they make it easier to see who mafia wants to kill Doesn't the idea of using it as an NK necessitate that people actually want to lynch the people you're putting up, a la Palmar day 1? So why pick CC? Because they want him dead. Why? Because he's town. By the virtue of how the lynch went down day 2, there is zero reason to think that CC is actually mafia, ALL WIFOM Something called a hard bus my friend and that lynching him today is at all a good idea, EVEN IF you think all three people are town, because he is the absolute LEAST likely to be mafia of the three. You state this like its fact with out showing any evidence to back it up So why not lynch Mocsta or Sloosh? At this point I'll take either, because I think they both might be mafia, but I prefer Mocsta because I'm more confident in him than Sloosh. We need to talk about this and not just randomly sheep our votes somewhere, because that is what mafia would want us to do in this situation. That's why I asked jay to comment, and why him not commenting is damning evidence in my eyes. Yea god forbid I leave my computer If Mocsta and Sloosh are both mafia Rofl are you kidding me this is a giant stretch now your just grasping for straws again no evidence to back it up, jay has been pushing the same agenda as them the whole game, right up to right now. They don't want us to think about the lynch today because there is actually a chance at catching mafia if we do.More WIFOM They want us to think that all three are town, and that our choice barely matters. BUT IT DOES MATTER. Read my analysis of the likelihood of the nomination possibilities. I don't think mafia would ONLY put up town players the whole game. Your analasis is guess what ALL WIFOM THERE IS A REASON GOOD PLAYERS DON'T SPECULATE ON NIGHT KILLS They would almost certainly take chances, especially with the first nomination. They could put up a town player EVERYONE wants to lynch and bet that he doesn't prove himself town This is just bullshit I didnt want to lynch Palmar Also if anything Sloosh would of been the person taht was afk day 1 he was the most likely to die , and then slap ANYONE next to him for a safe way to gain town cred. It especially works if everyone think they are all town anyway. But their mistake was doing it twice, because it made it too obvious. There's no fucking way mafia would put up two guys that were clearly not getting lynched day 2 again day 4 if both of them were town.WIFOM They would if they were mafia, though. | ||
jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
who is scum? Since you think that everyone up for lynch today is town? | ||
jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 14 2013 18:30 Oatsmaster wrote: Jay, who is scum? Since you think that everyone up for lynch today is town? Phagga is the strongest scum read I have. I think yamato So he's just a misguided townie or scum with CC. But my hopes are on the former. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
So I instead choose to focus on someone like phagga, on whom no one has commented on. He says, I am so helpful to town guys. This rubs me as scummy because town doesnt care about how well they are playing, just care about finding and lynching scum. Let's be clear with our language. I never called Phagga scum. Just because I'm interested in a person doesn't mean I think they are scum. Additionally, be clear with your language. I don't mind you saying "I want to see more", but don't say "start contributing" as if I haven't done anything. Cause that's total b.s. He is really concerned about people misinterpreting his words, in other words, It means that he wants to look really townie. Only scum care about looking townie. I have almost no doubt I'll be up for nomination tomorrow so I'm going to sit on my reads until dawn. Because I'm definite that scum will always put 3 townies up - they won't bother risking putting one of their own into the group unless it is certain that someone else will get lynched. And right now, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen. I assume I'll get put up because I tend to get shot N1 and I guess it's just ingrained into me that scum want me gone soon and fast. They way he is so sure that he will be picked d2 as one of the nomination candidates is really odd. Especially since he justifies it as 'I always die n1, so scum want me gone soon and fast' when if he plays good enough to get shot n1, he is never gonna get lynch d2, no matter who is up with him. If you familiarize yourself with his meta (nicely displayed in his profile and devoid of any scum games), it becomes clearer that he is new scum whose play pales to his town play. - in this game phagga writes timidly, fluffily and without conclusions - town phagga is capable of decent analysis, or at least confidence and clarity in his posts And a quick summary which basically states the description of a town and a scum. No links where phagga is doing the thing he says. This at best is lazy, and at worst is slOosh trying to mislead us with a post that looks good with no substance. [QUOTE]Guys, there's nothing to speculate, either now or at morning. I've already outlined the optimal scum strategy and how I propose we counter it.[QUOTE] slOosh says, 'Shut up, I have described the situation so I can explain why I have been chosen tomorrow. Now, dont talk so scum has an advantage due to the lack of information town has.' He posts the phagga case and just keeps asking people to read and opinions. This is to see if he should push the phagga lynch tomorrow. [QUOTE]Hey Palmar, I think we need to seriously discuss VE today, because I'm seeing some clear mafia agenda here, and little blips elsewhere.[/QUOTE] He says this, but never fully explains why VE is scum, just snipes at him and basically asks Palmar to make his case for him. [QUOTE]Oats, get off Jay. Seriously. Vote counts are extremely helpful and it's not like it's the only thing that Jay contributed.[/QUOTE] Random defense of Jay for basically slight pressure. Scum want to defend someone so that they can buddy them subtly by 'helping' them. [QUOTE] VE, I apologize to you first. I was so immersed in my phagga case and was so disturbed that you totally dismissed it. You are correct in that you have been on Snarfs & prplhz from the beginning. I admit it - I can't read, which led to my misinterpretation of you and then vice versa the cycle. (similar thing happened in ... that WBG game where we nailed scum 3 days in a row ... not that it's relevant but whatever). Mr. Cheesecake, you are a boss. I am wrong and you are right and I'm sheeping you all game because I am not as good as I thought I was. I rescind my town read on jay and my scum read on Oats. Too good. MVP right here. [/QUOTE] Really weird post where he says, 'I am bad and you guys are totally better at the game as me' Town wouldnt want to say that because no one will take his reads seriously anymore. Scum would because they seem apologetic and cooperative. So much buddying of CC here. [QUOTE]Eh ... I guess I still have a lot of confirmation bias to deal with. Phagga smelt like scum and I didn't like that you waived it, but that's probably because I didn't address your Snarfs case first (I guess I missed it or thought Snarfs was right at the time or something). Also apologies to Oats. You are not daft, I just can't see scum that well. Ahh ... what a game to go down into the annals of TL Mafia~ [/QUOTE] Keeps going with the self-depreciating attitude, and tries to buddy me too. [QUOTE]Yea ... and not to bias you or anything but I really dig Mr. Cheesecakes' scum team. You can see how they interact with each other. Not that it's valid until you get some flips going, but at this point I've invested enough time into the game for it to click in my head. Oh, and I also could be wrong, so ... yea. Rereading is great! [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Oh, yea I suppose. It would be very foolish and humiliating to start celebrations and then end up losing because of arrogance. Excited to do this with you guys. I guess I'll do some homework now and come back at the deadline. [/QUOTE] Again, 2 really cooperative and 'helpful' posts. And again self-depreciating [QUOTE]The best piece of information from this is understanding how D3 played out and people should check that out. [/QUOTE] At this point, I would assume that slOosh has really strong reads. [QUOTE]prplhz is the safest / best lynch for next cycle: you can read his filter and look at his interactions with Snarfs and VE, as well as the total apathy he had concerning the D3 lynch. [/QUOTE] And a totally lazy case which he does NOT back up at all with anything, and in fact Pushes phagga as an association case. I saw scum doing this too. | ||
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
On February 14 2013 01:52 slOosh wrote: prplhz is the safest / best lynch for next cycle: you can read his filter and look at his interactions with Snarfs and VE, as well as the total apathy he had concerning the D3 lynch. phagga is still my top read - observe his vote switch behavior last night: Currently the votes are split between Snarfs and VE. At this point I'm still strongly voting VE and the only potential hint of my change is this post where I say I'm rereading. So, it looks like slOosh is probably gonna stick with VE. Votes are at 4-4 with prplhz voting CC. phagga comes in and waffles so I question his hesitation: Show nested quote + On February 13 2013 07:39 phagga wrote: On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote: phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs? Dude, I might do the deciding vote here, I just want to be sure it's the right pick. That said, snarfs is a lurker, for whatever reason. VE had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective. Let's lynch VE. Ok. The highlighted line shows that he wants to be sure about this choice. Put some consideration into it y'know? ##Vote: VisceraEyes Show nested quote + On February 13 2013 07:55 phagga wrote: You know what, fuck it. ##unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Snarfs let's lynch the scummy lurker. Well, so much for careful consideration. He calls Snarfs a lurker in the first quote. Somehow in a span of ~15 minutes Snarf's lurking has become scummy and more deserving of a lynch against someone who "had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective." Not only that, it isn't because he reviewed his notes as he explains later - the 2nd quote is straight up YOLO. There's a mismatch in attitude consistency. A "go with the flow" mentality. You are completely ignoring that I wrote here that snarfs is an alternative for me. It is simply not true that I changed my read on snarfs from null to red in 15 minutes, I was already considering him as an alternative earlier. And yes, it was a go with the flow decision, but one between two people that I considered scum at some point on D3.[/quote] Your case is still as bad as it was before. I have told you that I had other town games where I did not post a single post like the one you quoted and was still town. Only because I may be capable of such posts does not mean I have done them in every town game. So all you are saying is that I am playing worse D1 than in Wheel of fortune. That does not make me scum. And the last point has been refuted. Should still lynch prplhz first. Then when prplhz flips scum I'll come, point at prplhz's filter and say "aha!" then we can lynch phagga. Can't do that with Snarfs' filter cause he barely mentions him - Coinky dink? Maybe. But add enough of them and the more straightforward answer is that he is scum. If I am your top scumread, then why don't you want to lynch me first? Even more, how is prplhz a better/safer lynch when I am your top scum read? Mocsta, Sloosh: Do you guys see the possibility that Cheese did indeed bus snarfs, but that VE is actually town? Why/why not? VE: What is your read on sloosh is, currently. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On February 14 2013 19:34 Oatsmaster wrote: I think slOosh is scum because Show nested quote + So I instead choose to focus on someone like phagga, on whom no one has commented on. He says, I am so helpful to town guys. This rubs me as scummy because town doesnt care about how well they are playing, just care about finding and lynching scum. Show nested quote + Let's be clear with our language. I never called Phagga scum. Just because I'm interested in a person doesn't mean I think they are scum. Show nested quote + Additionally, be clear with your language. I don't mind you saying "I want to see more", but don't say "start contributing" as if I haven't done anything. Cause that's total b.s. He is really concerned about people misinterpreting his words, in other words, It means that he wants to look really townie. Only scum care about looking townie. Show nested quote + I have almost no doubt I'll be up for nomination tomorrow so I'm going to sit on my reads until dawn. Because I'm definite that scum will always put 3 townies up - they won't bother risking putting one of their own into the group unless it is certain that someone else will get lynched. And right now, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen. Show nested quote + I assume I'll get put up because I tend to get shot N1 and I guess it's just ingrained into me that scum want me gone soon and fast. They way he is so sure that he will be picked d2 as one of the nomination candidates is really odd. Especially since he justifies it as 'I always die n1, so scum want me gone soon and fast' when if he plays good enough to get shot n1, he is never gonna get lynch d2, no matter who is up with him. Show nested quote + If you familiarize yourself with his meta (nicely displayed in his profile and devoid of any scum games), it becomes clearer that he is new scum whose play pales to his town play. - in this game phagga writes timidly, fluffily and without conclusions - town phagga is capable of decent analysis, or at least confidence and clarity in his posts And a quick summary which basically states the description of a town and a scum. No links where phagga is doing the thing he says. This at best is lazy, and at worst is slOosh trying to mislead us with a post that looks good with no substance. Show nested quote + Guys, there's nothing to speculate, either now or at morning. I've already outlined the optimal scum strategy and how I propose we counter it. slOosh says, 'Shut up, I have described the situation so I can explain why I have been chosen tomorrow. Now, dont talk so scum has an advantage due to the lack of information town has.' He posts the phagga case and just keeps asking people to read and opinions. This is to see if he should push the phagga lynch tomorrow. Show nested quote + Hey Palmar, I think we need to seriously discuss VE today, because I'm seeing some clear mafia agenda here, and little blips elsewhere. He says this, but never fully explains why VE is scum, just snipes at him and basically asks Palmar to make his case for him. Show nested quote + Oats, get off Jay. Seriously. Vote counts are extremely helpful and it's not like it's the only thing that Jay contributed. Random defense of Jay for basically slight pressure. Scum want to defend someone so that they can buddy them subtly by 'helping' them. Show nested quote + VE, I apologize to you first. I was so immersed in my phagga case and was so disturbed that you totally dismissed it. You are correct in that you have been on Snarfs & prplhz from the beginning. I admit it - I can't read, which led to my misinterpretation of you and then vice versa the cycle. (similar thing happened in ... that WBG game where we nailed scum 3 days in a row ... not that it's relevant but whatever). Mr. Cheesecake, you are a boss. I am wrong and you are right and I'm sheeping you all game because I am not as good as I thought I was. I rescind my town read on jay and my scum read on Oats. Too good. MVP right here. Really weird post where he says, 'I am bad and you guys are totally better at the game as me' Town wouldnt want to say that because no one will take his reads seriously anymore. Scum would because they seem apologetic and cooperative. So much buddying of CC here. Show nested quote + Eh ... I guess I still have a lot of confirmation bias to deal with. Phagga smelt like scum and I didn't like that you waived it, but that's probably because I didn't address your Snarfs case first (I guess I missed it or thought Snarfs was right at the time or something). Also apologies to Oats. You are not daft, I just can't see scum that well. Ahh ... what a game to go down into the annals of TL Mafia~ Keeps going with the self-depreciating attitude, and tries to buddy me too. Show nested quote + Yea ... and not to bias you or anything but I really dig Mr. Cheesecakes' scum team. You can see how they interact with each other. Not that it's valid until you get some flips going, but at this point I've invested enough time into the game for it to click in my head. Oh, and I also could be wrong, so ... yea. Rereading is great! Show nested quote + Oh, yea I suppose. It would be very foolish and humiliating to start celebrations and then end up losing because of arrogance. Excited to do this with you guys. I guess I'll do some homework now and come back at the deadline. Again, 2 really cooperative and 'helpful' posts. And again self-depreciating Show nested quote + The best piece of information from this is understanding how D3 played out and people should check that out. At this point, I would assume that slOosh has really strong reads. Show nested quote + prplhz is the safest / best lynch for next cycle: you can read his filter and look at his interactions with Snarfs and VE, as well as the total apathy he had concerning the D3 lynch. And a totally lazy case which he does NOT back up at all with anything, and in fact Pushes phagga as an association case. I saw scum doing this too. Sorry didnt check :/ Reformatted. | ||
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
Also: On February 14 2013 04:03 prplhz wrote: My apathy concerning D3 lynch was because my case was ignored and the two people up for lynch were almost just as scummy as each other in my opinion. If you're gonna lynch phagga because I'm scum then you should really lynch me first so that you can reconsider phagga in the light of my flip. There is no reason as a townie to ask for your mislynch, and you should know it. What the hell are you trying to achieve? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I'm going to reread the whole game and see if there is anything that makes me doubt this conclusion. | ||
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
I personally doubt it. | ||
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 15 2013 00:21 phagga wrote: prplhz: What is your stance on Mr. Cheesecake now after yesterdays events? Also: Show nested quote + On February 14 2013 04:03 prplhz wrote: My apathy concerning D3 lynch was because my case was ignored and the two people up for lynch were almost just as scummy as each other in my opinion. If you're gonna lynch phagga because I'm scum then you should really lynch me first so that you can reconsider phagga in the light of my flip. There is no reason as a townie to ask for your mislynch, and you should know it. What the hell are you trying to achieve? I might be getting a little annoyed or bored with the game. It makes perfect sense that if they're lynching me regardless of your aligment, and lynching you based on my alignment, then they better lynch me first so they can make a more informed decision about you. Yes, I still want to lynch Mr. Cheesecake. I'm a bit more unsure of his alignment after his nomination but I don't think either slOosh or Mocsta are as likely to be scum. Trying to think through the nominations and we have tons of time. | ||
prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On February 15 2013 00:55 phagga wrote: If you look at the nomination for D1, you see a lurking Palmar, a sloosh that just got heat for his low activity on the end of D1 and a Mocsta who has established himself as town. Therefor, if any of the three are mafia, Mocsta is your best bet, as the chances at start of D1 look pretty good for him. However, in that case the scum team would have known that sloosh and Palmar are town. They must have seen slooshs post that he will be more active D2 and prove that he is indeed town. Also, Palmar could come back any time, bring out his best play and rape the scum team (noone knew why he was lurking at that point). Do you really think that with this knowledge, the scum team would risk a player that has established himself successfully as town? I personally doubt it. Unless slOosh and Mocsta are both scum, but that doesn't make much sense either. I like this post. | ||
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
So, yes, I think there is a (small) possibility that cheese is indeed scum, and that scum took the risk of prolonging the game, so they could give one of their teammates more town cred. | ||
phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
But noone picked up on it because he was there were other scummy players noone bothered to properly analyse his play. is supposed to say: But noone picked up on it because there were other scummy players, and noone bothered to properly analyse his play. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 15 2013 00:55 phagga wrote: If you look at the nomination for D1, you see a lurking Palmar, a sloosh that just got heat for his low activity on the end of D1 and a Mocsta who has established himself as town. Therefor, if any of the three are mafia, Mocsta is your best bet, as the chances at start of D1 look pretty good for him. However, in that case the scum team would have known that sloosh and Palmar are town. They must have seen slooshs post that he will be more active D2 and prove that he is indeed town. Also, Palmar could come back any time, bring out his best play and rape the scum team (noone knew why he was lurking at that point). Do you really think that with this knowledge, the scum team would risk a player that has established himself successfully as town? I personally doubt it. I thought day 1 that the chances of Palmar playing this game and being active enough to not get lynched day 2 in the situation he was put in was low, and it turned out to be right. I don't know, maybe mafia thought the same. If it is three town nominations all the time, it would be very boring. But if it is Mocsta and not Sloosh as well, it does seem reasonable. I don't think people were going to lynch him day 2 after what happened day 1, no matter how town Palmar and Sloosh appeared to be day 2. I'm trying to understand what mafia are doing with these nominations because ignoring them seems really fucking stupid. I want the flip of one of the two that have been nominated twice, because I think either night be mafia, and I want confirming information about what mafia is doing with these. Lynching Cheese is silly in this situation, given how day 2 went down almost the same way. | ||
Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I agree with phagga at this point. So THEREFORE. We lynch slOosh. No one is responding to my case. | ||
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