TL Mafia LIX

On January 20 2013 19:44 Vivax wrote:
Three people so far have expressed concerns about my activity: gonzaw, Axle and JieXian.

{...}

Who would be happy with a JieXian lynch? I would be!

On January 20 2013 23:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
Nice First post annul. Why/Why not will you be running for mayor?

On January 21 2013 05:38 Toadesstern wrote:
Annul mind telling us some of your thoughts? You're one of the preferred guys to vote for me but you're not really giving me anything to go with...

On January 21 2013 11:11 yamato77 wrote:
Does anyone feel compelled to respond to me at all when I ask why people think Vivax is town?

On January 21 2013 12:48 Djodref wrote:
@ annul

Do you really think Vivax or Toad could get lynched today ?
I wouldn't lynch the most vocal players on D1, so I'm against it, but do you think you can convince enough people to lynch them ?

On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
This is a semi-open setup. Roles will be disclosed, but numbers will remain hidden. Read this section carefully, as it may be subject to change.

On January 21 2013 13:38 Toadesstern wrote:
Do you honestly think Vivax would be send out by his (supposedly) mafia team for a candacy as mayor?
Do you honestly think Vivax would be so carefree as mafia to candidate for mayor and not post for the next *idk* bunch of hours?
Don't you think Vivax would have been way to scared to candidate for mayor as mafia? Especially given his recent game as mafia that he, against all odds still won due to massive town modkills.
Do you honestly think Vivax would be dropping a vote like that if he has multiple people in irc / QT / whatever to ask on who to vote? With that "reasoning" he provided? Sure it's bullshit, it's one of the most retarded posts I've seen in this game so far but do you really think he'd do that as mafia?

On January 21 2013 14:10 Toadesstern wrote:

I don't know what that picture means. Would be nice to know wether that "wifom?" was directed at me, directed at annul or just an explanation of the picture because I have no idea what it is.

On January 21 2013 14:11 AxleGreaser wrote:


Anul, I am not well versed in meta of many players but...
While alignments change from game to game
is it actually plausible to you that: Vivax is: "really unskilled noob at mafia. "
and that is the explanation for the posting that i have seen
(although i am not sure it the same stuff you are reacting too as you did not say what that was it was left to my imagination...?)

I am not sure i believe: that you think that a mafia player doing what Vivax has done is:
not pro-town right now in any capacity

It (several things I saw and commented on) did generate noise, when scum hunting activity was low.
Indeed Oats seems to have misstepped as town in many eyes(inc mine) by interfering with it

could you please clarify what you think was "either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia."

also I dont understand how you cannot have read on Vivax's mafia skill level that would
let you... for yourself distinguish those.

it feels like an invitation for me to fall into a false confirmation bias from you presenting a knowingly false dichotomy.

I could always be wrong about your skill level though.

On January 21 2013 14:46 Toadesstern wrote:

A clever man once told me townies end up saying : "I don't think that's a reasonable assumption at all"
Mafias usually say: "That's totally wifom! (although it makes sense it's not confirmed!)"

and it's not comming down to him being too stupid to be mafia like yamato said (although I've got to admit that's part of it) but rather his carefree posting and him not being scared at all, like gonzaw mentioned as well.

On January 21 2013 15:42 AxleGreaser wrote:


Anul considering Vivaxs meta do you believe it is a truthful possibility that Vivax is "really unskilled noob at mafia."
if that not the case why do you present it as an emotionally inflammatory alternative.

Your other option is "vivax is either bright red"

Is this is a false dichotomy, are they really in your eyes the only two options?

You also say "not pro-town right now in any capacity" This Presume goes with "really unskilled noob at mafia." as you appear to be saying the only way for player to be so not pro-town is to be a really unskilled noob.

If that is not false dichotomy, would you please explain how you regard so many players who flipped town in LVIII who were not
"really unskilled noob at mafia." to appear "not pro-town right now in any capacity" in hindsight.

On January 21 2013 15:52 debears wrote:
However, I think a Toad red flip would actually make vivax green

On January 21 2013 16:00 Toadesstern wrote:
I think he is town and he's decent. Short enough?

On January 20 2013 15:06 Toadesstern wrote:
Sandro >>>>>>Annul/gonzaw/prplhz/chez/Toad >>>>>>>>> everyone else

On January 22 2013 00:16 Vivax wrote:


That's cause they suck and everyone knows it .

On January 22 2013 00:45 Vivax wrote:
Annul. I have questions. You crave for attention, I will fulfil your desires.

[list]

[*] You mention that I attack people out of OMGUS. Why don't you consider the counter-examples in your reasoning? I didn't attack everyone for suspecting me. You should know this best since you were one of them.

[*] You think my cases are bad and that I'm scum. That implies two things: You have a town read on JX, and you have a town read on yamato. Is this correct?

[*] You didn't push yamato as mayor candidate when he announced it even though I'm your top scumread and you probably think he's town. You don't express a preference for mayor candidates at all, so tell me:

Why so disinterested in who gets the spot? Who are your favourite candidates?

[*] I am just one possible scum out of five. Did you form any scumreads outside of me?

On January 22 2013 14:42 yamato77 wrote:
I think Annul, especially, deserves a hard inspection tomorrow as his encouragement of my suspicions on Vivax and Toad could certainly be seen as fanning the flames, and he never really substantiated his read on Vivax in particular despite insisting that he be lynched.

On January 23 2013 06:13 austinmcc wrote:
Do you believe scumtoad would start swinging more votes towards him by half-claiming mason like this:When the logic is kind of crappy given that there are mafia masons? Serious question. I don't actually have a great handle on what his reputation is, exactly, as scum.

On January 23 2013 06:31 yamato77 wrote:
Oh, so I'm mafia?

I want to hear this one.

Please, go on.

On January 23 2013 06:34 yamato77 wrote:

Calls something WIFOM.

Posts more WIFOM with a cherry on top.

On January 23 2013 06:36 yamato77 wrote:

bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit

bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitbullshit

On January 23 2013 05:58 annul wrote:


you realize i attacked vivax first right lol

in fact i have your filter up and the first vivax attack you make is like 12 hours after i make mine.

if anything, you deserve inspection for blatant lies to the game

On January 23 2013 06:00 annul wrote:
i find it interesting though because i am still on vivax, and you seemed to be pretty harshly on him (in fact, blatantly calling him scum... not "i suspect" or "i have reads" but you were SURE of it) and now you want to go after the one who called him out first before you?

1. why?

2. what made you stop thinking its vivax?

On January 23 2013 06:36 DearestSnot wrote:


what's the difference, that it's you vs someone else?

LOL

nice double standard asshat

On January 23 2013 06:39 yamato77 wrote:
If you even bothered to read the game you would know why I stopped tunneling Vivax, and also exactly why what I think you're doing is mafia motivated.

Also, in that post of mine you quoted, I did not say I had suspicions of him first, simply that what you were doing was fanning the flames of my suspicions, which is still true based on the timing of your posts, regardless of whether you had those suspicions or not.

On January 23 2013 06:45 yamato77 wrote:




So you want me to believe you weren't talking about Toad AT ALL with that line there?

I don't buy it.

On January 23 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote:

TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

Your "suspicions" of Vivax were never substantiated beyond his "anti-town" play and his "OMGUS" of me.

You came in when I was completely tunneled on Toad/Vivax and sided with me for weak reasons.

On January 23 2013 11:18 FiveTouch wrote:


You're not going to explain yourself, are you?

On January 23 2013 12:23 FiveTouch wrote:
Apart from the read on him, gonzaw as mafia would fill the missing hole of a serious mafia mayoral candidate on Day 1.

On January 23 2013 14:41 Oatsmaster wrote:
Annul, I thought you didnt want to waste the 48 hours, so where is your contribution?

On January 23 2013 19:45 Vivax wrote:
Since you didn't mention that you considered the possibility that the third kill was from a town vigi, don't even think about pulling that card now.

On January 23 2013 10:58 annul wrote:
btw mafia has 2 KP, so the third death is either town vig/jack or mafia jack using their shoot power.

On January 23 2013 11:36 annul wrote:
or, i should say, there is either 0 or 1 mafia jacks. there is not 2.

On January 23 2013 20:45 Toadesstern wrote:
and he was against the prplhz lynch.

On January 23 2013 20:55 Toadesstern wrote:
On top of that the guy I masoned today basicly called me confirmed townie as well for a damn good reason I'm not willing to share, at least not today.

On January 23 2013 23:29 FiveTouch wrote:
With annul, there's a fair chance he's mafia. He refuses to contribute other than to speculate pointlessly, and repeatedly, on setup, or to make useless asides. It's made worse by the fact I explained to him about his play and he doesn't care. Nonetheless, there's something that makes me feel quite uncomfortable about him. I don't know how to express is very well. In any case, if he continues to play in a mafia-oriented fashion, we should lynch him as part of our double-lynch tomorrow.

On January 23 2013 23:39 Mocsta wrote:


Annul sorry this is important for a guy like me who doesnt have context.

You and Palmar seem to have a history? Whats the cause for the /out?

On January 25 2013 02:04 debears wrote:
Jack
You can act as a Medic, Veteran, Mason, and Vigilante... but not all at once and not more than once. You may two of these four powers during the game: Protect, Mason, and Shoot. You may use the same power twice. Note that your Veteran life is not passive like that of a true Veteran's; you must choose when to activate it, and if it isn't used (as in, you aren't hit that night) it goes away.

I don't think it's possible for a jack to vig and mason in the same night

On January 25 2013 02:50 Toadesstern wrote:


first is wrong.

Here's the explanation for the 6th time: He claimed in the fucking thread.

What don't you understand about it? I'm not getting any information from anyone because the guy CLAIMED IN THE THREAD.

On January 25 2013 06:27 austinmcc wrote:
annul, you looked more towny in my eyes for continuing to ask anyone masoned by Gonzaw to come forward.

Then I look and your vote is on Gonzaw...

On January 25 2013 12:35 debears wrote:
5touch I have to talk to you about said mason and figure out whether he contacted you already or not and why he masoned me

I will think of encryption

On January 25 2013 12:20 debears wrote:
I have been masoned. Apparently 24 hours ago

Thanks BC!

On January 26 2013 02:39 DearestSnot wrote:
Annul, what Toad said. It'd help immensely to know what we're thinking if you read our posts.

On January 26 2013 10:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Dearestsnot the detective has been killed

On January 22 2013 01:17 annul wrote:
axle, do me a favor

any time you post, just put a word cap on it. literally any time you decide to post, please include a tl;dr of every main idea you are writing about. every time you post you come in with this explosion of who the fuck knows what and i am not in the mood to sift through the crazy just to see if there is anything worthwhile. it is perfectly possible to be succinct and communicate multiple ideas in different words.

On January 27 2013 07:47 Stutters695 wrote:
Annul what happens to your bomb with a chez lynch? Never played with the bomber before.

On January 27 2013 10:27 Stutters695 wrote:
Annul forgive me if this has been asked and I missed it, but why did you keep your bomb on Chezinu through n2? He was a pretty clear top candidate as soon as the d2 flip happened. Wouldn't it have made sense to move it to one of the other scummy people who probably wouldn't be lynched?

On January 27 2013 11:17 Vivax wrote:


grush, Chez, Toad, gonzaw, the Chez guy I don't want to reveal yet and an "unknown" mason...

On January 28 2013 10:35 yamato77 wrote:
I know of 4 masons ... all modconfirmed town.

On January 28 2013 10:47 yamato77 wrote:

They're not modconfirmed, I suppose, but they are all very likely town.

You, on the other hand, are very likely mafia.

On January 28 2013 11:01 debears wrote:
Annul

Why would you say that BKE's bomb didn't go off after being lynched?

On January 28 2013 16:07 Toadesstern wrote:
See that's why we lynched both and not BKE + the 5th read... It was possible to screw up and we did screw up. This way mafia is still at 1 KP permanently because we can only screw up once :p

Anyways that meanas mafia doublestacked Bugs.

That also means there's 2 people we have to look out for.
I don't like Annuls question about mad hatters and wether their bomb would explode when lynched to be honest.
Not that I know the answer, but I would know the answer because I would have asked the host about that way earlier if I were a madhatter.

Should have voted for doublelynch so we can go after 2 people. That way we again would have made sure that we at least hit one guy...

ALSO:
I'm probably not going to tell you what to do with your medic protection tonight.

On January 29 2013 00:14 FiveTouch wrote:
annul, who do you think is mafia right now?

On January 29 2013 01:40 FiveTouch wrote:
Why would you claim? Fuck me. This tells us and gives us nothing.

On January 29 2013 10:21 FiveTouch wrote:
This desperately needs answering, by the way.

On January 27 2013 11:03 annul wrote:


if i died, i wanted to take a mafia with me.

On January 29 2013 19:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
why? he only has three jails. if he used it last night, we know he has no jail left.
Are you kidding me. Giving scum info=bad.

Toad, how big of a mason cycle are you in?

On January 29 2013 21:03 FiveTouch wrote:


Why on earth would you die? How would you die? Why would you put your bomb on someone who is going to die already?

On January 29 2013 18:49 annul wrote:
and i thought i could convince the town that the logic was sound to get off of chez (assuming BKE was red... which we ALL did, nearly unanimously). my persuasive skills are bad apparently.

On January 29 2013 22:54 FiveTouch wrote:


So effectively your argument is that in the miniscule eventuality you get killed on Night 2, you were going to blow up a mafia that was certainly going to die anyway the next day.

Right?

On January 29 2013 18:49 annul wrote:
i thought i could convince the town {...} to get off of chez.

On January 30 2013 03:12 FiveTouch wrote:
Mocsta also flipped green.

On February 01 2013 10:19 Stutters695 wrote:

If Toad jked annul doesn't that prove he can't be scum?

On February 01 2013 10:38 mkfuba07 wrote:
Oh shit I was right!!!!

If that were the case why would he say he's going to jail you and then nk someone? It just proved your innocence <.<

On February 01 2013 21:51 FiveTouch wrote:


You mean he'd have gotten a RB notification? Indeed.

On February 02 2013 00:24 Oatsmaster wrote:

Circumstances like having your scum buddies lynched almost perfectly?

On February 02 2013 00:24 FiveTouch wrote:


you've attacked no mafia at all all game