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On February 01 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:07 FiveTouch wrote:
Just a silly thing I was musing on. It looks like none of the mafia masons used their mason power. This must have been a conscious plan (presumably to discredit town masons?) Didn't make sense to me with a single player, but I suppose it makes some sense as a faction-wide decision. Pass up the chance at control over the game to stay away from getting a player or two caught by virtue of weeding through the masons for mafia, and you can bring up that up lategame and try to get some mislynches on the virtue of mason-role only. Who do you want to be lynching on the morrow? yamato. I wrote up some stuff on him last night, but I think it overall fits. I've finally got a bit more free time now, though, so I need to also look at a couple other players. He's the only one that I've taken an in-depth look at so far.
Off the top of my head, I don't like a lynch on annul. Balance is a small point in favor of looking at newer players. He's also asked a couple questions at times where they didn't need to be asked by mafia, and then didn't push them hard. While they could have been for town points, in cases where they could be used to try and save a mafia buddy (Gonzaw masoning), he didn't push them and so didn't feel like he was trying to start a push for a save.
I'll poke around fuba, stutters, and I guess what there is of adam, but yamato just looked baaaaaaaaad to me when I was trying to talk with him and filtering him. Yes, there's always the possibility that's how he plays, and I know he can tunnel and can be abrasive, but he's still on top of my list for the moment.
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On February 01 2013 01:23 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote:On February 01 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:07 FiveTouch wrote:
Just a silly thing I was musing on. It looks like none of the mafia masons used their mason power. This must have been a conscious plan (presumably to discredit town masons?) Didn't make sense to me with a single player, but I suppose it makes some sense as a faction-wide decision. Pass up the chance at control over the game to stay away from getting a player or two caught by virtue of weeding through the masons for mafia, and you can bring up that up lategame and try to get some mislynches on the virtue of mason-role only. Who do you want to be lynching on the morrow? yamato. I wrote up some stuff on him last night, but I think it overall fits. I've finally got a bit more free time now, though, so I need to also look at a couple other players. He's the only one that I've taken an in-depth look at so far. Off the top of my head, I don't like a lynch on annul. Balance is a small point in favor of looking at newer players. He's also asked a couple questions at times where they didn't need to be asked by mafia, and then didn't push them hard. While they could have been for town points, in cases where they could be used to try and save a mafia buddy (Gonzaw masoning), he didn't push them and so didn't feel like he was trying to start a push for a save. I'll poke around fuba, stutters, and I guess what there is of adam, but yamato just looked baaaaaaaaad to me when I was trying to talk with him and filtering him. Yes, there's always the possibility that's how he plays, and I know he can tunnel and can be abrasive, but he's still on top of my list for the moment.
So you want to lynch yamato despite what's just been discussed about the masons?
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I will allow a lynch on me if you guys lynch Austin at the same time.
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see, that's exactly the reasoning I wouldn't even mind posting the my final post exactly now. Have to do everything myself...
But I can't post it right now, to many idiots running around.
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On February 01 2013 01:28 Toadesstern wrote:
see, that's exactly the reasoning I wouldn't even mind posting the my final post exactly now. Have to do everything myself...
But I can't post it right now, to many idiots running around.
This has been blatantly untrue the entire game, so stop it.
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On February 01 2013 01:24 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:23 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote:On February 01 2013 01:12 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:07 FiveTouch wrote:
Just a silly thing I was musing on. It looks like none of the mafia masons used their mason power. This must have been a conscious plan (presumably to discredit town masons?) Didn't make sense to me with a single player, but I suppose it makes some sense as a faction-wide decision. Pass up the chance at control over the game to stay away from getting a player or two caught by virtue of weeding through the masons for mafia, and you can bring up that up lategame and try to get some mislynches on the virtue of mason-role only. Who do you want to be lynching on the morrow? yamato. I wrote up some stuff on him last night, but I think it overall fits. I've finally got a bit more free time now, though, so I need to also look at a couple other players. He's the only one that I've taken an in-depth look at so far. Off the top of my head, I don't like a lynch on annul. Balance is a small point in favor of looking at newer players. He's also asked a couple questions at times where they didn't need to be asked by mafia, and then didn't push them hard. While they could have been for town points, in cases where they could be used to try and save a mafia buddy (Gonzaw masoning), he didn't push them and so didn't feel like he was trying to start a push for a save. I'll poke around fuba, stutters, and I guess what there is of adam, but yamato just looked baaaaaaaaad to me when I was trying to talk with him and filtering him. Yes, there's always the possibility that's how he plays, and I know he can tunnel and can be abrasive, but he's still on top of my list for the moment. So you want to lynch yamato despite what's just been discussed about the masons?
Right now, yeah. I'll look around, but we can't definitively say "everyone who is leftover and a mason cannot be mafia."
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I guess the argument in his favor is stronger than just mason, as he apparently knew some other roles that didn't get sniped. Blerg.
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Mocsta would have died N1 if I was mafia.
I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs.
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On February 01 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta would have died N1 if I was mafia.
I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs.
Unless you've got a history somewhere of blowing up masons whenever you can, this doesn't really do anything.
Mafia already knew mocsta was a mason, because Chez himself was mafia. Your being mafia and knowing he was a mason wouldn't have changed their knowledge, and would have only mattered in the way you want it to here if you were some kind of super anti-mason zealot as mafia.
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On February 01 2013 01:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta would have died N1 if I was mafia.
I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs. Unless you've got a history somewhere of blowing up masons whenever you can, this doesn't really do anything. Mafia already knew mocsta was a mason, because Chez himself was mafia. Your being mafia and knowing he was a mason wouldn't have changed their knowledge, and would have only mattered in the way you want it to here if you were some kind of super anti-mason zealot as mafia.
It just seems that for someone who likes maths and logic like you, it's odd that you want to kill yamato, which would mean
a) mafia had 4 masons to town's 3, and
b) yamato as this extra mason on his own decided to mason people unlike the plan laid out by the rest of the team (apparently)
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On February 01 2013 01:57 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:43 austinmcc wrote:On February 01 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta would have died N1 if I was mafia.
I knew he was mason with Chez like me D1, FT has the logs. Unless you've got a history somewhere of blowing up masons whenever you can, this doesn't really do anything. Mafia already knew mocsta was a mason, because Chez himself was mafia. Your being mafia and knowing he was a mason wouldn't have changed their knowledge, and would have only mattered in the way you want it to here if you were some kind of super anti-mason zealot as mafia. It just seems that for someone who likes maths and logic like you, it's odd that you want to kill yamato, which would mean a) mafia had 4 masons to town's 3, and b) yamato as this extra mason on his own decided to mason people unlike the plan laid out by the rest of the team (apparently) Yeah. I'll admit to not hitting his mason post yesterday actually, and he looks better in light of that.
I do loves me the maths, but something about how he had vastly different reads all based on similar actions bugged me, as did the way he was responding. I guess I pull back and elsewhere, just hate the way he defended himself against pressure. Masoning chez is a bigger deal to me (in terms of him not being mafia) than the numbers, just because town looks to have a sizeable number of blues, even disregarding the masons.
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Did we ever get an explanation for Chezinu telling mocsta in mason chat that "Grush like yam!" prior to Grush's masoning Yamato coming to light?
Grush would mean the same mason split, and mocsta seemed to move around a bit last night cycle, but one of the things that pops out of his filter was him picking up on that line in his chat with Chez and how Chez seemed to have info that the thread didn't. I haven't seen anything yet. Yamato did you tell Chez that Grush had masoned you or had a townread on you or anything?
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On February 01 2013 02:16 austinmcc wrote:
Did we ever get an explanation for Chezinu telling mocsta in mason chat that "Grush like yam!" prior to Grush's masoning Yamato coming to light?
Grush would mean the same mason split, and mocsta seemed to move around a bit last night cycle, but one of the things that pops out of his filter was him picking up on that line in his chat with Chez and how Chez seemed to have info that the thread didn't. I haven't seen anything yet. Yamato did you tell Chez that Grush had masoned you or had a townread on you or anything?
Was probably referring to this:
On January 20 2013 13:42 grush57 wrote:
Wow yamato what a towny post.
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djodref suspicious of clarity, oats, annul, and JX to some extent on D1.
JX suspicious of debears D1.
mocsta doesn't give me much of anything other than that question about Chez popping out.
So doesn't appear to be any real common thread among the NKs, was hoping djodref and JX shared some kind of off-the-wall read.
Gonzaw and Axle as mafia probably rule out oats. Gonzaw both wanted to lynch oats D1 and oats posted some followup case bits on Gonzaw, specifically referencing the way gonzaw and axle interacted D1. If oats were scum, he'd be pointing out Gonzaw/Axle's interactions, and would basically have been...he'd have been the fall guy to make Gonzaw and prplhz look good I guess? Gonzaw lynches oats if mayor, flips scum, gets to say he killed scum AND prplhz looks slightly better because the non-prplhz option flipped scum.
Still looking around for a non-yamato lynch i like.
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(That's not advocating a yamato lynch. Giving that up with masoning Chezinu, actually missed the mason crap yesterday)
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Happy-Bday Austin. I'll shut up now 
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On February 01 2013 01:14 yamato77 wrote:
It also makes grush look worse because he technically masoned people but never took advantage of it.
No I actually had some discussion with marv and vivax.
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Why would you assume?
YOO GUYS STOP ASSUMIGN EVERYTHING :"(
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Also Toad you're telling us right before night deadline correct?
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Also who wants to get masoned tomorrow?
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