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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On January 28 2013 11:34 FiveTouch wrote: Already stated in thread, Stutters. I don't know why you haven't read the thread to be honest. I stopped reading his posts part of the way into the day because I would have argued with everything he said and it would have been pointless. | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On January 28 2013 08:26 Mocsta wrote: All My vote is going on Chezinu + Vivax I never ruled out a bus from Vivax, due to the consistent anti-town play. This sparked my curiosity over night. (It is clutching at straws a bit, but the release is just too convenient not to ride with considering all of Vivax actions this game) This is specifically something, Chezinu raised to me via mason PM (and I assume Chezinu and his other masons) Its from the 6 weapons of influence: #1 Reciprocity, #2 Consistency, #3 Social Proof, #4 Liking, #5 Authority, #6 Scarcity Check this out. See why now I used the word Liked.. its due to Chez saying #4 The below is me antagonising Chez using his own "code words" I never thought he was town, but I didnt have anything to directly suggest he was scum. The problem is.. again.. Vivax release of jsut the word "reciprocity" it has brought me back to Chezinu.. Vivax said they didn't mason, so now im thinking scum qt... (had to rush this to get it out b4 lynch deadline) I understand how you believe this associates Chezinu with Vivax in a scummy way. But why would scum Vivax knowingly use a code word that should only be known to Chez and his masons? And am I only bumped up to the top of the list if you decide not to lynch Vivax or Annul? @All who have masoned or been masoned by Chezinu, could we see your logs? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
The only major thing iirc is he asks my opinion on yamato and says he thibks he is more town than me. O.s. He doesnt refer to yamato by name. I only found out it wsd yamato later | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
Anyways that meanas mafia doublestacked Bugs. That also means there's 2 people we have to look out for. I don't like Annuls question about mad hatters and wether their bomb would explode when lynched to be honest. Not that I know the answer, but I would know the answer because I would have asked the host about that way earlier if I were a madhatter. Should have voted for doublelynch so we can go after 2 people. That way we again would have made sure that we at least hit one guy... ALSO: I'm probably not going to tell you what to do with your medic protection tonight. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 28 2013 16:07 Toadesstern wrote: See that's why we lynched both and not BKE + the 5th read... It was possible to screw up and we did screw up. This way mafia is still at 1 KP permanently because we can only screw up once :p Anyways that meanas mafia doublestacked Bugs. That also means there's 2 people we have to look out for. I don't like Annuls question about mad hatters and wether their bomb would explode when lynched to be honest. Not that I know the answer, but I would know the answer because I would have asked the host about that way earlier if I were a madhatter. Should have voted for doublelynch so we can go after 2 people. That way we again would have made sure that we at least hit one guy... ALSO: I'm probably not going to tell you what to do with your medic protection tonight. i was never in danger of getting lynched. it was never relevant to me. | ||
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Mocsta
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Mocsta Welcome mr. Brown. I have taken the bait you laid. You have been masoned. I await your feedback. Chezinu Hello there. I mentioned in the thread that masons should mason the mayor. I am not the mayor....yet. So, perhaps you think I will be. Well good! For I will need trusted masons to give some top secret information too. Ah, but townie masons may not be the only ones who will be talking to me. For mafia could have masons too! The most trusted of the masons shall receive the information that could save the town in case of disaster! The disaster being of someone's death. It would also be good if masons would contact the sheriff as well. To gain my trust. What do you think of yam? And I'm not asking about food. I'm asking about a player.. Mocsta This is very different to the newbie games. Love it. For your question: Yamato Null. From what I have seen with him in the past, he is hot-headed and overtly aggressive, but nonetheless is a discussion promoter, if not controversial one. From his play so far, nothing he has said is specifically town motivated. But overall the early day contributions for me are lacking. As you are aware of. The land of the brown is an eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. To gain my trust. What do you think of Grush? And I'm not asking about 'When a straight girl has a non-sexual "crush" on another girl'. I'm asking about a player.. Chezinu Ah, your mirroring me. That's a great way to gains ones trust. So, that's what grush means? I though it was just a random user name. Interesting... grush - I've seen him play mafia a lot. He is usually the first to go. As townie, I don't know. Toad no like grush Grush like yam! As for the trade, null! muhahaha You say the land of the brown. Pshh... When it comes to the Chezinu the Brown. His servants usually obey. Look at the bear. Nice and obedient little bear... So, I will give you more information. Your not the only one talking to me...What do you think about multiple masons? Mocsta Interesting. Toad no like Grush. Grush like yam! Syllogism: Toad no like YAM! Multiple masons speaking to you. it is conceivable. Perhaps they communicated with you for the same reasons as I.. but.. lets not lead to non-sequiturs. Others are talking to you.. Perhaps mafia has communicated with you, but as you pointed out earlier, there would be no value to this,as mayor Chezinu is currently not. Perhaps you are mason, but then, by choice, or by role. The wine is indeed strong. P.S. "His servants usually obey." Luckily I am not the status quo. Next!! Chezinu Would you like to speak to the other? I can get in an IRC with you and then get in an IRC with the other. I can talk to you in one and copy paste your comments in the other. I can then copy paste the other's comments in the IRC that you are in! Brilliant isn't it!?!?!? The other hasn't replied back to my recent pms.. So we may have to do this later. But what do you think? Mocsta Not interested... I am concerned Chezinu. You want to run for Mayor; and you blatantly ignore the WIFOM I phrased earlier?!?!? How do you choose to address this matter? Chezinu "WIFOM" I ignore that word. Bad players use that word. We are in PMland! This is a friendly land full of fun! There is no need to get mad.... for explosions will go off by themselves! Just sit back and watch the fireworks! Mocsta OK. Lets play a game. Peek-a-boo.. I see you. So now that you have multiple admirers, peeking at you. What is your take on me. Chezinu I no like you! You no listen. You no play my game. Yet you want me to play your game. Mocsta So.. why do you think I masoned you. Chezinu I was thinking for the very same reason the other did. I was just waiting for you to ask the question. The other asked and I told. Mocsta Please extrapolate Chezinu I was guessing you misread my post in the thread? Mocsta misread intentionally? that is the question i ask Chezinu .... you know, we could be having a productive discussion like I am with the other mason... All you have to do is act a bit more sane. Mocsta Lead the way pls, and follow I may. Chezinu Ok, both of you masons are currently talking to me. Do you guys want to talk through me? We moved to IRC.. i dont have the logs saved, He then PMs me this stuff Chezinu - Title: Trust Granted + Show Spoiler + Note: its kind out of date. I made some changes since then. Oh and this was directed to the other mason - plz ignore the weird. You were suppose to mason the mayor! Unless... you are choosing me to be the mayor ))). OR are you mafia? Trying to obtain my secret plans to destroy you! Well well... Guess someone has to take some risks.. To say or not to say? That is the question. OK RISK TIME! Going to assume that you are townie. If you are, great things can happen. If you are not, well it will only spoil one of my plans, but it won't hurt it that much as you will soon know. Here it is: I realized that the mayor would not be completely safe from mafia. The mafia will be able to substitute town bodyguards with mafia ones. How many bodyguards will there be? I don't know. But we do know that mafia can substitute 0-2 bodyguards. These bodyguards will be covering the elected officials. Are they assigned specifically to mayor or sheriff? I'm not sure. They could be divided or act as a cover for both. At minimum, I'm hoping we will at least have 4 bodyguards. I think it would be too imbalanced if mafia could substitute all of the bodyguards. That would mean, the mayor could die right after election. So, where am I going with this? The town will not know who is selected as bodyguards, but the elected roles will. This is why it is essential that the masons contact the mayor/sheriff. The mayor can give the lists of bodyguards to the most trusted masons. If everything goes extremely well and masons happen to find the medic, well the medic can protect the bodyguards. If the mayor dies at night and not all the bodyguards are dead. The masons with the bodyguard lists shall announce the list to town. All bodyguards on that list will be mafia. Now, for the hard part. The mafia have masons too. This is where the mayor has to be discerning. Not only does the mayor have to earn town trust, but the masons need to gain the trust of the mayor. I'm sure there will be more than one mason for town and at least one mason for mafia. If not, this game would be all too easy. This mayor stuff will get messy and will get nasty. It has happened every single time in the past that I played the game with elected officials. If I get elected, this will be the first time I will be in the inside (never had a blue role in those games). Now, the mayor will be safe with the masons if he tells them the bodyguard list (if they are town). It will just cause disaster if he releases the list to the mafia. So as mayor, I will not release the list until at least some of the bodyguards die. Don't want to kill innocent bodyguards just in case mafia doesn't sub. However, if it turns out there are only 2 bodyguards defending me -- I will have to give a list to a mason. Then complain that the game is imba. As I mentioned in the thread, masons aren't the only solution to save the mayor. If the mayor himself is a veteran and the mafia sub bodyguards, well we just get free mafia lynches! Or perhaps a medic could protect the mayor (but this would only work if medic is quiet about it and mafia don't know. The medic shouldn't protect mayor until some bodyguards die). As for who I will lynch, I'm thinking the Chezinu Rule. What do you think about that? Later sends this Chezinu You may not choose a person you have already Masoned with for the remainder of the game. So, does this mean that I shouldn't become mayor? Seeing that two people already masoned me, if I'm mayor I won't be able to tell anyone who the bodyguards are... So by talking to me, your kind of eliminating my chances to become a good mayor. And when I hadn't voted 4 hrs to the deadline. sends me this. Chezinu - Title: Vote!! Save yourself! | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
I do not have the IRC stuff, but that is where we discussed the 6 weapons of influence etc (i.e. #1 reciprocity etc) Anyways, of note.. Chezinu says: On January 28 2013 19:13 Mocsta wrote: Chezinu grush - I've seen him play mafia a lot. He is usually the first to go. As townie, I don't know. Toad no like grush Grush like yam! Chez is now confirmed mafia, and says he not sure if Grush is town. WHAT is weird. is.. Chezinu says "Grush like yam!"... this was WAY before yamato came out and said Grush mason him. Im not sure what to make of this... just got home from another bbq, so not in the mood to think. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Mocsta
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annul
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
On January 28 2013 19:16 Mocsta wrote: The logs between Chez and I as promised. I am posting this incase I am a target for the NK for whatever reason I do not have the IRC stuff, but that is where we discussed the 6 weapons of influence etc (i.e. #1 reciprocity etc) Anyways, of note.. Chezinu says: Chez is now confirmed mafia, and says he not sure if Grush is town. WHAT is weird. is.. Chezinu says "Grush like yam!"... this was WAY before yamato came out and said Grush mason him. Im not sure what to make of this... just got home from another bbq, so not in the mood to think. Thanks. I'll take a better look at the logs when I wake up. On January 28 2013 19:45 annul wrote: did chez use his ability on yamato, or is yamato also a mason and yamato used his power to talk to chez? I'm pretty sure yamato masoned chez. I'm not sure who chez masoned D1. Do we know who grush masoned D2, D3? It seems he also missed his second vote, so he's kind of on my mind. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
Day 1 Yamato -> (masoned) -> Chezinu Mocsta -> (masoned) -> Chezinu Grush -> (masoned) -> Yamato Toad -> (masoned) -> Sandroba Chezinu -> ??? Gonzaw -> ??? Day 2 Yamato -> (masoned) -> FiveTouch Mocsta -> (masoned) -> FiveTouch Grush -> ??? Toad -> ??? Chezinu -> ??? Gonzaw -> ??? Day 3 Yamato -> ??? Mocsta -> (masoned) -> Annul Grush -> ??? Toad -> FiveTouch Chezinu -> FiveTouch | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 28 2013 21:04 annul wrote: was there a four way chat going on on day 1 among the grush - yamato - chezinu - mocsta chain? Nope On January 28 2013 19:38 Mocsta wrote: twas yamato, but i didnt find that out until Night 2. and I didnt know Grush was mason till Yamato gave that information out. | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
What was the time of contact? Did he tell you about yamatos contact? Mocsta : January 21 2013 08:08 I agree on chezinu. He needs to input more to the thread. I was expecting a lot more from him considering the reputation and kneepad job debears gave. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
(1) I took his bait about having information and wanted to satisfy my curiosity. I also didnt think he would be mayor so was willing to burn a mason cycle on him (it was as I posted to him in the PM) (2) His first response to me was @ " 1/20/13 22:31" (3) No, he said he had another mason linked to him. I didnt want to know anything about it (refer to logs). When we shifted to IRC, it was just me and Chezinu. I dont have those logs available. The quote you highlighted was written before we moved to IRC. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
grush really needs to get his little bum in here and start talking to us. Yes you, grush. Mocsta: Day 2 Chez -> debears, Toad -> bugs, Day 3 yamato -> Toad. | ||
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Vivax
22180 Posts
I'd see grush going 100 % vigi with a jack role. | ||
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