TL Mafia LIX - Page 10

Ok so I probably/possibly or maybe just spent more intellectual effort thinking about this than perhaps some people have the current intention of + Show Spoiler [(observably)] + spending on the game...

I did however reach some useful conclusions, they are not small conclusions as they are about the larger game theoretic sense of what make s the game of mafia the most fun for the most people for the mostest of the time that possible across many games. Hence they are to me important, but that increased the waffle and piffle factor enormously.

This guy seemed to know something some people respect, I too find this analysis to have depth, wisdom experience and unsderstanding + Show Spoiler +

I have bolded and redded what are to me two critical parts. (trains of thought)
To me, as i think it was to the author, all possible Mfia scum plays are part of the game, part of the inherent true RL worth of the game "mafia scum" is active practice in how to build a just society in the face of inherent, active, intelligent....evil/scum.
(that of course includes active bludgers who want free rides from their teams with no work or effort to the win...)
(As a species i think we could do with some actual practice at that)
For added merit (the game is symmetric(almost(actually its gorgeous))) any mafia town strategy must be capable of beating people of equivalent skill to yourself as sometimes you are the scum. (depends on PM)
IF we have the long term wisdom to "evolve" a team Liquid mafia community that is fun constructive and inclusive then I conclude that is partial evidence the human species is worth saving... it is a Societal Gom Jabaar test if you will.(see Dune) Will the team liquid mafia community chew off its own hand in order to avoid the pain... WTF yeah big questions answered in small test puddles... (I might even be serious)
There is indeed a risk from the community doing
Letting the players deal with it in this way can be even harsher than a forum wide ban. We would need to be sure.
The worst part is then pushing the responsibility/blame for whether to cede to our demands or the other players back on one authority if there was indeed any way we could have dealt with it in game. Especially when the only way to centrally deal with it is black and white.

I suspect a sufficient number of Vigis, or even if it gets serious day Vigis allow the effective implementation of DNFTT.
IMHO, Vigis are the game balance counter weight to purposefully dead weight players, because the choice who to Lynch and who to nk, is how townies vs scum negotiate who will be there at Lylo.... Mayor rebalances the multiple nk powers of the large game a bit at least. If random unuseful players are going to be ubiquitous then vig kills balances that for town by specifically increasing the control they have over who reaches LYLO.... alive.

Vigis (over bans and host based exclusions) have the advantage in that the opportunity not to get vigied always exists thus rather than becoming an absolute you cant play rule its a your on an arbitrary you live as long as takes some random player to decide your being a dick, again.... The unuseful player gets an unknown length of rope to try and show they are not anti town in their play, this game.
The random player is kept honest (not capricious) by the idea that if just maybe the vig kill does not have to be wasted on a waste of space the vig kill can help town... I like self regulating negative feedback systems...
They seem strangely just desserts and proportionate.