EPTIs signing up for a game you don't necessarily have the time to play a scum tell, warbaby?
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zarepath
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Is signing up for a game you don't necessarily have the time to play a scum tell, warbaby? | ||
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I think what Sn0_Man said about blue claim theory makes the most sense for now -- wait until you're going to get mislynched or you're in a MYLO/LYLO situation, or at least near one. | ||
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by Zarepath [spoiler: I think he's scummy] On January 28 2013 05:08 cDgCorazon wrote: Well there's a 1/3rd chance that we lynch the right player if we LAL today. So there's not much to lose on a lurker lynch. I really hope that all three of them aren't mafia, because if they do not vote and get modkilled (I hope I'm not breaking a rule by saying that) there are some scary players waiting in the replacement section if they're all mafia. Just theorycrafting. Hosts let me know if I broke any rules by speculating about it. One of the game's scummiest posts, IMO. Theorycrafting and blatant rule-breaking and no real drive to hunt for scum; this post characterizes Corazon's D1 participation pretty well. On January 28 2013 10:06 cDgCorazon wrote: Well, the chances of us getting a scum D1 were zero. I'm gonna relook over the day's events and let you all know if I find anything of importance. I mentioned earlier how this contradicts his earlier post about the chances of finding scum D1. He's obviously not very consistent with his desire/town's ability to find scum. On January 29 2013 10:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm really sorry that I couldn't post my last thoughts, my phone died and I just got home. However, I would like to make a general answer to the accusations made against me. Being inconsistent: You're right Zare, my focus just has not been here over the first day. I'm making a promise to all of you now that I'm going to read the thread again before saying anything. No more inconsistencies. If you're expecting a defense to this point, you're not gonna get one. I've been wasting my time. Voting for Ska: At the point in time I was going to vote for Ska, it was already going to be him lynched, with 3 people voting for him who wouldn't be able to change their votes before the deadline. I voted Abenson to make sure all of the lurkers knew that we would not allow for lurking. Once I was notified that Abenson didn't exist, I just decided to consolidate our vote for Ska. Glurio's comment that something in my post was fishy (without actually saying which part was fishy) is scummy in itself, trying to distract the town by getting them to find a deeper meaning in everything that I post. Not knowing set-up/being ignorant: I've already stated this, it's a massive WIFOM bomb. Stop distracting town with it. Me not playing to my "usual standard" (whatever that is): In the past two games I've played, I spent 6 Days as scum and 1 day as town. So perhaps me not playing like I did in XXXIII means I'm town? Now to the scumhunting part. The problem I'm having with Acid right now is that all he has done the whole game is tunneled Warbaby. I know he's going after his scum read, but most of his posts have been in his argument with WB and attacking WB. I made an argument against him asking for a reply, and it has completely ignored in his pursuit to have Warbaby lynched at all costs. Ignoring an argument is an automatic FoS for me. If he was town, why would he ignore an argument made against him. If he is truly innocent, he can explain his behavior, not ignore me and hope it blows over. FoS: Acid~ I'm gonna go through the thread again just to make sure I didn't miss anything. Last note for this long post: Zare, I'm glad you got your RL stuff out of the way. Your case against me was the most solid of the multiple arguments (I really can't call any of the rest cases) against me. It's going a long way for me to believe that you are town. Keep it up. In his long post, he calls Glurio, Acid, and whoever it is he calls out for the "massive WIFOM bomb" of saying it's scummy that he didn't know the setup, was ignorant, etc; scummy. At the end, he goes way out of his way to compliment the person who put a case on him; "Keep it up buddy! You're helping town so much by analyzing me! Good work!" This smells a little of overcompensation, a Congratulating the Medic deal. Town would not go out of their way to compliment the people going after them; town doesn't want to waste town's time by being analyzed, they want to go after scum. But Corazon doesn't really attempt to confirm his towniness except by throwing barbs at three different people and FoSing Acid for "tunneling" the game's scummiest player, warbaby. Here's a thing about tunneling, people -- it's only tunneling if your analysis is loaded with confirmation bias and you refuse to see evidence in anything else. If you have a scum read on someone, it's totally appropriate to pressure that person continually for more information. If you're sure they'll be lynched, it's STILL appropriate to pressure them for more information because they're going to be dead soon and unable to give up any more details. Let's quit using the term "tunneling" to mean anytime somebody focuses on a single player, okay? It's more about being blind to other possibilities and having confirmation bias than it is focusing on a single player. Cora requotes himself, then quotes me to say I summed it up nicely, then puts some pressure on WB, calling him out along with the rest of us, which does seem fairly town but he did put the FoS on Acid first. But in his continual pressure on WB, he doesn't make a case for his scumminess; he just pleads with him to stop dragging town down. It's his "execution" that's the problem, not the case itself. He's doing work here to suggest that WB is simply bad town, not active scum. When it comes down to his ultimatum on the fact that it's between Acid and WB, he chooses Acid because WB is the town jester, a persona that Cora has crafted for him over all of his facetious posts ("extra, extra!"). He requotes Sn0 without any additional content. He condemns Acid so severely for tunneling WB -- in fact, it's the core of his case on him. But I don't see a cohesive scum case or clear direction in Corazon's play, or even a modicum of contemplation, or for seeking relevant new information. Corazon looks scummy to me. | ||
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by Zarepath [spoiler: he also looks scummy, but moreso imo] A lot has been said about warbaby, much of which I agree with. He was wildly emotional, defensive, and irrational for the first half of D2, and his most level-headed tone was used to ask if the medic should role-claim (on day 2???). Here are a few other posts from his filter that I believe show a few things that add to the overall case for WB's scumminess: On January 29 2013 15:30 warbaby wrote: OK, fine. I can't come up with any reason you're wrong about this. I don't currently think Zare is scum, and he's telling me to do this as well. ##Unvote: Acid~ ##FoS: Acid~ By my own logic I find Acid~ scummier than Sn0man, currently. So I'm switching my middle finger of suspicion to Acid~. This does not seem like a very town-motivated thing to do. Town's number one role is to lynch scum, and their vote is their most powerful tool. A townie with a case on someone as being scum should have enough confidence in their case that they don't unvote just because somebody else thinks it's a bad policy; they defend their case and develop it throughout the day. I don't see a problem with voting early D2 as long as the case gets developed; it certainly puts pressure on scum if they're a recipient of an early vote. (Note that he claims he's doing it because I told him to; if I recall correctly, my main concern was that he built literally zero case before voting Acid back, not that I think he should unvote.) However, scum is paranoid about being seen as a Member of the Town, and is more likely to buckle under policy pressure instead of sticking to their guns so that they can be seen as part of the group. More scummy in this post is something that he also did on Day 1 -- couch his decisions with town reads on other people. He's not just unvoting because Corazon thinks it's bad policy, but because Zarepath also told him to, and Zarepath is town. I don't know how much I like someone constantly doing things just because their town reads tell them to do so. Town has no reason to entrust their analysis and activity to ANYONE else, even if they think they're town; and they certainly have no reason to go out of their way to justify their actions by saying "Look, this guy told me to, and he's town." Scum, however, would not mind creating associations with players that most people have a town read on (I get the sense that most people have a town read on me). On Day 1, this was how he justified jumping off of the inevitable Skapunk lynch -- scum would want to bandwagon it, therefore anyone not voting for Skapunk is NOT scum, therefore if he votes with them he's not voting with scum. Again, he's justifying his decisions by relying on the towniness of others, making all of his faults and decisions not just HIS faults and decisions, but a product of other players' decisions. In total, warbaby seems oddly concerned with how others in town perceive him and, while active, doesn't contribute to a pro-town environment. On January 30 2013 04:15 warbaby wrote: EBWOP: Glurio's level of contribution is ONLY going to hinder other towns from making a read on glurio. This could be a scum slip -- "other towns" implies that Glurio is town, but it could be argued that that implication is only within the hypothetical scenario that warbaby is exploring wherein Glurio needs to prove that he's town. Null. Just thought I'd bring this up. On January 30 2013 14:41 warbaby wrote: In case it's not 100% clear: FoS'ing me based on the case Glurio is making, is reasonable if he is town and trying to pressure me. Voting me immediately on D2 and then taking off for 24h is not reasonable (sorry, I can't drop it -- this just pisses me off too much). In case it's also not clear, my position is as stands: ##FoS: Acid~ And my vote rests on nobody at the moment. Zarepath make posts please. This is one of the latest posts by warbaby. He is concerned with illustrating his current status. Telling others to make posts is an easy "town-motivated" thing for scum to do, and I like to think that town would ideally do it with a little more nuance (specific questions, reasons why this person in particular should post more, suspicious things they need to answer for, certain cases that need to be looked into, etc.). I still have issues with warbaby's core case on Acid being based around his "outrage" at the fact that Acid has 24-hr work commitments. It's the point that I remember most from all of warbaby's analysis of him. What happened to his AFKing/cakepie concern, that cakepie would need to post some good stuff D2 or else we should lynch him? No, now he's just too "pissed off" at Acid. And really, this doesn't even get into his frantic leap off of the Skapunk train D1. I think that warbaby is the best lynch candidate we have right now. [b]##Vote: warbaby Also, a reminder to everyone to avoid association cases (I think I may have a few association cases in my Corazon read, actually) until after the flip. Individual reads are more valuable now, and I'll continue to do some individual reads through more filter work as I have time between tasks at work. | ||
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Cora is right that we do need to look outside of just Acid/warbaby, and I think that cakepie (I honestly forgot the name, it's not in the filters in the OP), glurio, and Slayalot are low enough in contribution that they deserve some scrutiny. Cakepie especially I'm interested in hearing more from. | ||
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If there's something specifically scummy you'd like me to respond to, I suggest you point it out in place of more abstract summaries ("There isn't any fire in him to kill scum," "easy post without any real goal"). I thought my posts were pretty well goal-oriented. | ||
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If you role claim any later than the next hour or so, I'm going to ignore any further role claims from you. You're in no position to be a tease about this. | ||
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I am feeling that warbaby's medic claim is solid. It sucks that we had to make him do it, but now that it's out I think that it's for real. ##Unvote: warbaby | ||
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##Vote cDgCorazon If warbaby is telling the truth, and we have no counterclaim to say otherwise, I was set to be lynched N1. What happened N1? I made a case on Corazon. What happened afterwards? corazon made a post defending himself from my read but also going out of his way to say that I was a good town and doing good work. Medic sees that and thinks, "Oh, Corazon likes zarepath; he must not be mafia." Day 2. I assumed all of his posturing with warbaby was to make warbaby look like a bad town so we wouldn't lynch him -- in reality, it was to get him riled up so that we would lynch him but he would look like he was in the right to only consider him bad town. He goes out of his way to say "We have wasted our day going between warbaby and Acid," he always talks about how it's ONLY between those two (nice for mafia planning for us to have to choose between two townies). Corazon has looked scummy, but now that I truly bleieve warbaby is telling the truth, Corazon looks VERY scummy. | ||
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 I am very convinced of this Corazon case. I have no idea why people are still voting for a medic claimer with no competing claim. I did that myself in a recent newbie game, figuring that he must be super duper sneaky and the real cop just isn't available... guess what? He was cop. That doesn't mean for sure that warbaby isn't lying, but as a general rule, it's pretty silly to vote for a medic claimer when nobody else is claiming it. | ||
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