The unnamed person in the quote above is
OmniEulogy(1) I have to put it out there, every game with OmniEulogy, I have pushed for his lynch at some stage in the game.
I rate OmniEulogy high enough to be a scum mastermind. Heck last game he even talked about wanting to play scum that way - something very rare for newbies. Therefore I think he took full advantage of the thread due to Trotske's opening about La Guerta being bad town.
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With this information I decided to read through OmniEulogy filter. These are the snippets I find interesting.
His filter starts off rational, trying to be a voice of reason. I think this is not hard for a scum or mafia to do however (its easy enough to copy/paste other posts) its about whether you follow through.
e.g. of Omni sound reassoning posts
+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2013 03:55 OmniEulogy wrote:@Bringaniga you are going to make this game enjoyable I can tell. I already enjoy your posts and I look forward to more. lol
Anyway just to touch on what has happened so far, I agree with Oats opinion on the lurkers, not on how Mocsta asked the question. If anybody really said yes/no to that question they would be pressured for it, possibly used as a reason to be voted on later in D1. It would be a silly thing for town to do, almost as silly as not answering the questions.
I think having people explain the reasoning behind their votes is fantastic but I don't think it goes far enough, I believe we should go through each others cases and not only agree/disagree but see if we can prove the case right or wrong ourselves while waiting for the defense of the person being accused. (it is important to wait for them to defend themselves first, otherwise we give them an escape with no effort on their part) I know this is done to some degree each time a case is made but in both of my last games we've made the mistake of lynching townies due to their arguments not standing up to one persons case. I'm hoping we can avoid that if everybody weighs in with not only their own case but their thoughts on the other cases as well.
It's a lot of extra effort but I believe it's a good way to discuss scum reads with each other and keep conversation strongly focused on scum hunting. I've got an event going on in roughly 4~ hours and I'll be busy for most of the night (cleaning up the house for it right now) so I'll periodically check in and hopefully be able to make some cases by the end of the night.
Also if we could have Mandalor, Shz, Acid, Glurio, and Bringaniga answer at least one of the questions asked it would be nice. Let us know you are alive guys
On January 13 2013 18:47 OmniEulogy wrote:
Thanks Mocsta and yeah, I share your opinion on reads for people. I assume everybody is scum and let them prove that they are town. I know I am town, this isn't a soft call, I am a townie. I know I'll have to prove it, and although my first medium sized post is a null read, I hope that with time and my future actions it will prove to everybody that I am town because I'm hoping that if we use my advice we will be able to hunt and catch scum easier. I have a soft town read on you because I know your meta, and I'm not sure if you would be as comfortable as you normally are leading conversation early on as scum and talking about your pool. Some people get very nervous when they are scum. We've had several in our games who didn't post as much as they normally do.
On the other side we have Oats as an example who posts an average amount in both roles. However his play style (now that I've read through his filter for XXXII) changes a little. Experience changes everything though but there are some similarities between his XXXII game and what he has done this time, and very little in his other games that I read through. Again not enough for me to vote for him but it's not a good sign either. I'm hoping some of our lurkers can weigh in, and if Bringaniga doesn't come up with anything by the lynch deadline, my current thoughts of him will turn to scum pretending to be active and I'll be pushing for his lynching over the current Oats for sure.
He then enters the fray and tries to break up Me and Oatsmaster (Shz did too)... I actually read this as null
Last game, scum tried to break up Me and Spaghetticus.. its actually an easy way to get town cred, so the action in itself does not indicate town motives (even though it helps town).
+ Show Spoiler +On January 13 2013 22:22 OmniEulogy wrote:
Alright, I just got a call in from work ##Vote: Acid~ This is NOT what I intended to do. Under normal circumstances I would have put this at the end of my case on who ever I would have made it on. I might have to work a double shift and if I do, I won't be back in time, I don't want my random vote to be a deciding factor in a lynch and therefore have effectively wasted my vote. I do have access to a computer but on the off chance I can't log in on it I had to vote to make sure I wasn't going to be modkilled. I probably wont have to work the double but just in case. Sorry about this guys.
He then votes a lurker and gives the excuse of real life. Whilst I can not question his real life issues, i did question why he didnt just vote no lynch. Either way, I take this as null as well.
So far Omni play has been safe. Nothing indicates he is scum; but nothing is screaming pro-town either. I do notice in general his approach is a bit different. But that is because I have played 2 games in a row with him. The question is.. is he different intentionally due to improving town game... or because he finally rolled scum.
Continuing OnHe does a defense on Mandalor (I dont remember anyone else but Omni saying it was wrong; even Oatsmaster at one stage voted Mandalor - I *think* after my case too).. As a scum OmniEulogy.. of course he can defend Mandalor, he KNOWS he is town.
Read: slightly scum (because no1 else called me out of line for the case)
He then swaps to Shz, who was flying under the radar. Again an easy vote to do, with no real repercussions. Read: Null
Things get interesting when La Guerta is caught in the lie. OmniEulogy is the one who pounces on this immediately (conveniently)
On January 14 2013 09:06 OmniEulogy wrote:
##Vote: Laguerta He's already lied, has not contributed at all and now that I think about it, he goes from calling Bringaniga town, to voting on him with no posts between the two. He didn't answer my questions to why he voted for him OR why we shouldn't lynch him very well at all... Anybody have any reasons for why we shouldn't lynch him?
I think this was a way to do two objectives
(1) Create disarray in town atmosphere due to La Guerta weirdness
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(2) Establish town cred for OmniEulogy picking scum first round.. a rare feat to achieve.
From here Oatsmaster asked to consolidate votes, and we ended up with 7 votes on La Guerta, an essential certainty for lynch.
The Long-ConOn January 14 2013 07:03 OmniEulogy wrote:
ugh I can't tell if that's just brutal honesty or extremely scummy.
@Laguerta why should we NOT vote to lynch you in 2 hours?
This is where I think OmniEulogy sowed the seeds for someone like Trotske or whoever to develop further. and indeed Trotske did.
In hindsight with the Acid~ case, you could even contest Trotske is mafia and used this seed to develop the idea for the rest of town.What eventuated was
Inception.,. i.e. Omni/zarepath/Oats started discussing the concept that La Guerta was bad town, and then used the excuse of "no opposition to the lynch" to justify moving off La Guerta.
I treat OmniEulogy as the instigator for this entire action based on the above. I don't think they knew it was guaranteed to happen but were to prepared to adapt with it on the fly.
Then here is some really nice interplay .. seeing that there is uncertainty with La Guerta
On January 14 2013 10:35 OmniEulogy wrote:
If Laguerta is scum, I must admit there is a lack of anybody trying to save him... would scum bus themselves D1? That's suicidal. The fact that nobody has even tried to push strongly for another lynch worries me a little bit...
This only creates more uncertainty in the chaotic environment.
Now that the bait has taken off.. Omni is trying really hard to hook the fish and int he process save La Guerta.
On January 14 2013 12:25 OmniEulogy wrote:
Honestly he has just as good a chance as flipping scum as Laguerta imo. The only difference is that I can't just put Zebezt in the "bad townie" category for every single post he's made.
On January 14 2013 12:29 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think the bigger thing at the moment is that even if the three of us, Mocsta, Oats, and myself all switch to another person who already has a vote on them, it won't be enough to stop Laguerta from being lynched. I can only see this as Mafia being FINE with Laguerta being lynched today. If we don't have another person on the Laguerta wagon active I think we might be lynching him no matter what.
More rallying for people to get off La Guerta.
Now that he has achieved his goal and people are dispersed again (as indicated in the Preface).. he turns on the guy he has been working with this whole time...
On January 14 2013 12:56 OmniEulogy wrote:
##Vote: Oatsmaster
I don't like the constant vote jumping. Or pulling off Laguerta after jumping around so much. It makes me think you know who the townies are and have been testing to see which wagon sticks. That confidence in nailing Zebezt is bothering me too... I'm biased with my thinking past thing point. Don't wanna screw with anybody else I'll explain it after the lynch.
This is such a clever vote. He set up Oats to do the vote jumping, and then votes for him.. clearing him of any direct association to LA Guerta at that point in time (including flipping).
He then writes a massive post on Oats, again detailing the vote jumping that him and Oats worked together on.
To me, oats was screaming town by the end of Day 1.. i even wrote this in my last will to leave him alone... why would scum go out of their way to pressure so many targets? They wouldnt, its too risky... I think Omni achieved more from teh long-con than they imagined all due to persistance.
Look at the contributions post Day 1.. He follows up on Oats once or twice (again.. screaming town.. why would you do this).. and then doesnt post anymore.
He has stated real life problems, I wont treat that as not true... but regardless.. the contributions in Night1 were useless.
Conveniently when I am in the firing range.. all he does is perturb Oats !!
In Summary.. the concept to free La Guerta resulted in:
- Created chaotic lynch environment
- Received free assocation pass if La Guerta lynched
- Set up Oats for a case (even though didn't stick)
- Gave him an opportunity to concentrate on Oats, and not aid town any further
- Got a townie lynched, which put huge pressure on myself.. Win-Win for scum...
EPT
). I do not know why we felt sympathetic to him, but we did. The story with TeMiL ended with him being modkilled Day2 for not voting. In fact I don't think he said a vote during Night 1 either. He ended up flipping 
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