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shz
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On January 15 2013 03:32 zebezt wrote: PS: don't worry I'll post more later. Any ETA on that? I get it, you don't want to ignore benched players. So, why do you think laguerta is more scummy than some of the more active / not-benched players? Care to elaborate instead of citing his weird voting pattern (which is weird, but that can't be all, or?). What are your thoughts on Trot? Do you think he is scum? And why / why not? | ||
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shz
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On January 15 2013 13:03 Spaghetticus wrote: @Zare and Shz This is not a town read of petty scale. I will defend this read, and I want people to know that it is pointless attacking Omni while I am around. I am not someone known for my confidence in my reads, this one I am dead certain of. There is no way that Omni would throw away three compromised town games in order to appear town to someone that he did not know would be in the game. Meta-reads in newbies are generally garbage, but this has mitigating circumstances. I don’t care if you decide not to treat him as confirmed town, I just don’t want anyone wasting their time attacking him. On January 15 2013 14:02 Spaghetticus wrote: ...Scum teams are never so bold as to confirm each other town off meta-reads. It's not worth it when you do the risk-reward maths. Even with people like me going and telling you that scum would not do it, it's still not worth it for scum to do it. Feel free to suspect me, but please stop looking to solve the game in one glorious glance of insight before a single red-flip. Such a feat speaks more of phenomenal luck than talent, and the pursuit of such an objective inhibits useful scum-hunting methods and clogs up the thread. You agree with all arguments against such a play, and you still do it. We should ignore that, ignore Omni, and just move on without any questions asked? Why? Because you are Mr. Mafia? Way to jerk-off to your own ego. But whatever, there are better targets out there atm, but I hope you get bored jerking-off soon. | ||
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shz
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On January 15 2013 03:40 zebezt wrote: Seeing how Oats actually voted for so many different people.. I dont know if that is actually scummy. If I were scum I wouldnt wanna antagonize so many people and just wait until I could bandwagon one or two players. At the moment you are going down the path you described as scummy. You have like one scum-read (Sno) but didn't follow it up, instead the last posts were either fluff, false-promisies, and asking to not ignoe benched players. If you are not sure where to start, you can always do a complete collection of comments to each of the living players. If not, just ask away and we will find things for you to give your opinion on. | ||
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Mocsta
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Since you are here... and zarepath isnt.. and Sn0_Man is M.I.A. I would like your thoughts on my case regarding zarepath character http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615¤tpage=32#622 | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 15 2013 09:10 Mocsta wrote: (1) I was roleblocked... Since you are one of the few who is actively trying to fit the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. What do you make of this action? Personally I thought I would be higher chance for the NK than RB, so I don't know what to make of it. | ||
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shz
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On January 15 2013 15:12 Mocsta wrote: @Shz Since you are here... and zarepath isnt.. and Sn0_Man is M.I.A. I would like your thoughts on my case regarding zarepath character http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615¤tpage=32#622 The town-road on Oats could also be town-motivated. But for the rest, I think you are onto something there, and he really needs to actually contribute instead of posting without anything that helps, let it be pressure or laying down cases. I would also like for him to explain why he hasn't done much helpful while being present and reading everything. | ||
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shz
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On January 15 2013 15:17 Mocsta wrote: @Shz Since you are one of the few who is actively trying to fit the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. What do you make of this action? Personally I thought I would be higher chance for the NK than RB, so I don't know what to make of it. Of course you would see yourself NK'ed, but we had that topic already. It's hard for scum and town to actually draw many conclusions of which player has which role, other than basic alignment. So I think that it is totally possible to just RB an active player. If scum saw Oats as a better NK, they could just RB their second priority. I think the much better question is, why Oats was NK'ed? | ||
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Mocsta
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Mocsta wrote: @Trotske Spaghetticus identified you as as a low post count, low quality contributer. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615¤tpage=29#570 You have reciprocated by saying he is only targetting lurkers, and therefore he is a cause for concern. Why would this behaviour be scummy motivated? On January 15 2013 12:15 Trotske wrote: It is cause for concern when the only scum hunting he has done is point out that lurkers are bad. @Trotske I hope we are just having communication breakdown here; as you did not address my question. Im not asking why it is a cause for concern. Im asking you to explain why the behaviour that YOU have identified is scummy motivated. I do not think what you have provided so far is a sufficient response. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 15 2013 15:36 shz wrote: This of course means, that Oats was NK'ed by mafia, but for now we should work with the reasoning that Oats Vigi'ed glurio, and scum NK'ed Oats. I agree with this logic. There is no point making association cases (i.e. he whose name must not be spoken) Well my thoughts on the matter are 2 situations seem likely (1) Oats accused a MULTITUDE of people.. Perhaps one or more of those targets were scum. They may have killed him because he was close to finding them? He is quite an in-your-face pressure player, so it may have made scum uncomfortable enough to NK? & (2) Oats was one of 3 players Night 1 that had more than 2 pages of filter. Like you said, they perhaps decided to Kill an active player, and RB the other active player? Im guessing my RB then has more to do with (2).. If its hard enough to get a scum read with the considerable amount of low post/low quality filters.. i assume its even more difficult to figure out blue roles. But the NK makes more sense to me with (1).. Perhaps it was a combination of both? | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 15 2013 15:33 shz wrote: It's hard for scum and town to actually draw many conclusions of which player has which role, other than basic alignment. So I think that it is totally possible to just RB an active player. If scum saw Oats as a better NK, they could just RB their second priority. I just had a thought. Nobody else has claimed an RB (yet).. How do we even know scum has an RB? Do you think from Night 1, Town RB would target me? This definitely makes me think.. Oats votes went to a mafia.. im going to tally his votes.. BRB | ||
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shz
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Someone who is on the right way to find then? This could also mean that town will do what you are doing now, looking through his filters and votes to see who he thought was scum. The other possibility is to cause confusion and chaos and stop the scum hunting. But for now I would expect the first. I would wait a little more until everybody had the chance to claim RB. It is also possible that both (if present) RB'ed you. Yes, I think an town RB could have RB'ed you too. It's not like you weren't challenged in the last days. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 13 2013 08:58 Oatsmaster wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta ##Vote: bringaniga ##Vote: Mandalor ##Vote: laguerta ##Vote zebezt (1) Mocsta - This can be discounted. We were both pressuring each other, and he got over emotional and turned suspicion into a vote. (2) Bringaniga - Complete troll. Who knows if town or scum. Spaghetticus has replaced him. I am still waiting for more before making a decision on alignment. However, him having the confidence to call out my play so directly, I guess suggests he has the interests of town at heart. (3) Mandalor - Confirmed townie. (4) La Guerta - The consensus seems to be bad townie.. probably bored as well hence the modkill. Should pressure heavily once the replacement kicks in. (5) zebezt - Has recently been dodging questions; even when promising to get back to us.. Im starting to think zebezt is a reasonable candidate to have felt intimidated by the pressure from Oatsmaster. | ||
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zebezt
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good morning. I thought I addressed most of the questions. I think the only complaint against me that stands up is that I could do more to pressure people. I agree on that. I've tried to ask sn0 a question, but he just ignores it. My other top scumread with Oats gone is laguerta. He is even more lurky then sn0 though. I will do some more in depth reading tonight. Last night I was hoping to post more, but a new years reception left me in a bad state for deep thinking. Anywayz, if you have any questions for me, besides the fact that I don't pressure enough (I'll try to improve on that) then please let me know. | ||
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zebezt
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On January 15 2013 16:00 Mocsta wrote: (1) Mocsta - This can be discounted. We were both pressuring each other, and he got over emotional and turned suspicion into a vote. Nice way to discount yourself there  I suspect his vote on me had something to do with me calling his play idiotic as well... Anyway, Oats' death comes as a bit of a surprise to me. If I was scum I would try to get rid of the most influential townies. You fit this bill much more than Oats. The fact that you didn't get NK'ed makes you look suspicious | ||
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Mocsta
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Why have you shifted your top scum read from an active lurky player to a modkilled (lurky) player? I know you don't like to pressure, but, this is taking things too far... What has Sn0_Man done to make you think he is not suspicious anymore? Do you think your motives for this behaviour can be read as scum motivated? P.S. On January 13 2013 03:36 zebezt wrote: With some luck there is a vigilante or SK that can kill of the lurkers for us :D ... Looks like you got your wish. | ||
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Mocsta
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On January 15 2013 16:24 zebezt wrote: If I was scum I would try to get rid of the most influential townies. You fit this bill much more than Oats. The fact that you didn't get NK'ed makes you look suspicious Influential? I have been called for my play by almost everyone in this thread (lurkers and actives). I even said today I have to take a step back. Did you not read this from my prime interrogator. On January 15 2013 15:57 shz wrote: It's not like you weren't challenged in the last days. (1) Your are dodging others questions; people like Shz have already re-asked you the questions. I think even Mr. King of lurkers (Acid~) wasted one of his few posts to re-ask you questions. Your response: i thought I answered it all.. are you not reading the thread? (2) You then say I am influential.. as if the events of Night 1 didnt happen. Are you not reading the thread.. again? If you haven't, this is very reckless accusations to be making; something I would think only scum would be motivated to do.. (3) I was RB'd.. its not clear whether town or scum.. but as noone else has stepped up to say they were RB'd. I am going to assume for the time being it was scum. (4) The difference between you & (Shz/Myself) is.. we were considering different options for why Oats was killed. You however just assume.. if I would do it.. scum would do it.... WHOAH wait a sec.. if you were scum then of course you could speak with confidence like that. This is a huge concern to me. Please explain how this is town motivated thing to say? | ||
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zebezt
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On January 15 2013 16:26 Mocsta wrote: @zebezt Why have you shifted your top scum read from an active lurky player to a modkilled (lurky) player? I know you don't like to pressure, but, this is taking things too far... What has Sn0_Man done to make you think he is not suspicious anymore? Do you think your motives for this behaviour can be read as scum motivated? P.S. Looks like you got your wish. 1: I'm sorry, do you mean my top scum read was bringaniga? I don't think I ever said anything like that. In fact I never said he looked scummy at all iirc. His playstyle made him unreadable and it was annoying. I merely mentioned him as someone I would vote for. This was my way of putting some extra pressure on him. 2: Sn0_Man has not done much to make him less suspicious. My original beef with him still stands and he hasnt answered my question about his behaviour. Only good thing is that he is slightly less lurky right now. He is making some soft town claims, but those don't mean much. | ||
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