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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
January 11 2013 00:13 GMT
#1541
okey well I'm in a meeting for the next hour or so. Hopefully I'll step in b4 the deadline
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:14 GMT
#1542
Jay is blindly tunneling me, not caring that it makes no sense for me to be scum, because I wouldn't have a scum partner.

Boson has a pathetic excuse for as to how Jay and I are scum together.

And Yamato hasn't commented on this.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:18 GMT
#1543
Also, jay, you know you're town.

Boson, Yamato, Mr. CC, and DP think you're scum.

If I voted for you, like you're voting for me, you would die, and I would live.

As scum, why wouldn't I be pushing for your lynch, especially when making sure you don't get lynched increases my own chance of getting lynched?

It doesn't make any sense.

Please reconsider your read on me.

<3
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 11 2013 00:19 GMT
#1544
On January 11 2013 08:57 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 08:48 Hapahauli wrote:
On January 11 2013 08:46 Z-BosoN wrote:
On January 11 2013 08:43 Hapahauli wrote:
@Z-Bo

Didn't have time 2 play today.

Also, the whole reason we're in this mess is because the town has been too dependent on me for discussion rather than generating discussion themselves. If you're town, you have the opportunity to prove me wrong in the next few hours and tomorrow.


Yea but then when I came in you backed off and left it to me to sprout discussion. Discussion in which I tried to include you in and now is being referred to as "seeking approval".


The approval stuff is wider than that. I keep telling you not to do it, and you kept doing it. Anyway, u still sold on MrZ/Jay scumteam?


Dude, what is wrong about wanting feedback from a confirmed townie? I have my own opinions and wanting to discuss them and hear your thoughts is not "seeking approval".

Read my scum filter in Hero, where I "seeked approval" from marv and see the difference of what I understand to be your point.

Im going to read over these last few pages later when I get back, but as it seems, it looks a hell of a lot like Jay decided to bus. mr.Z was townie to him all game along, and suddenly it's his strongest scumread.

I don't see yamato being scum really, so that's what's left. I will reevaluate tomorrow though, when I'm better informed.

Heading off for reals now

Thats utter bullshit. He has not been a town read to me for most of the game. Its just been this last part of the game. That i have begin to had a town read on him. DON'T TRY TO TWIST MY POSTS TO SET UP UP FOR A MISLYNCH.


Here i call Zentor scummy for calling people confirmed town. And again for not caring who he wanted to lynch.
On January 06 2013 12:09 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2013 11:52 MrZentor wrote:
On January 06 2013 11:29 jaybrundage wrote:
Btw zentor who do you want to lynch. Plz anyone just give a name at least if you cant give a case.

My idea is that we enact a new policy lynch called. Lynch Useless Mutha Fuckas called LUMF :D Ahem also wouldn't mind LUMFing CC

That or we can just lynch a lurker zzz


How would you guys feel about lynching a lurker then?


We have four confirmed townies so far.

MrZentor, Hapa, DP, and Jay

So I'd be fine with killing any of the others really. I just want to get to the second day already.

Your wrong no one is a confirmed town. Don't start throwing the term around either. Thats honeslty pretty damn scummy.

Plz who do you wanna lynch today not careing who gets lynch is also scummy


Again me wanting to lynch Zenter cause he mislynched and didnt really care again no town read.

On January 07 2013 10:48 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 07 2013 09:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On January 07 2013 09:23 MrZentor wrote:
Everybody's panicking because we didn't lynch scum first day.

lolololololol


Hardly panicking lol. It does suck to mislynch but as you imply it is quite expected day one.

Im most annoyed that Zentor didn't really care about who he was mislynching. Frustrating imo. We had unlimited amounts of time to get scum. But instead cause hes impatient he wants to push things along and lynch a townie.

I almost wanna policy lynch him cause i hate his meta so much



It was only around day 2 that I began to see Zentor as a town read. So dont spout crap.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:21 GMT
#1545
Jay, can you please comment on my last post?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
January 11 2013 00:29 GMT
#1546
On January 11 2013 09:18 MrZentor wrote:
Also, jay, you know you're town.

Boson, Yamato, Mr. CC, and DP think you're scum.

If I voted for you, like you're voting for me, you would die, and I would live.

As scum, why wouldn't I be pushing for your lynch, especially when making sure you don't get lynched increases my own chance of getting lynched?

It doesn't make any sense.

Please reconsider your read on me.

<3

hmmmm. So you propose a Z-Boson, Yamato scum team eh... I dont know... You have done some realllllly scummy things. Yamato hasn't posted who he would vote for yet. And i dont think DP has either. Isn't it 4 to lynch tho tmw?
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:33 GMT
#1547
On January 11 2013 09:29 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 09:18 MrZentor wrote:
Also, jay, you know you're town.

Boson, Yamato, Mr. CC, and DP think you're scum.

If I voted for you, like you're voting for me, you would die, and I would live.

As scum, why wouldn't I be pushing for your lynch, especially when making sure you don't get lynched increases my own chance of getting lynched?

It doesn't make any sense.

Please reconsider your read on me.

<3

hmmmm. So you propose a Z-Boson, Yamato scum team eh... I dont know... You have done some realllllly scummy things. Yamato hasn't posted who he would vote for yet. And i dont think DP has either. Isn't it 4 to lynch tho tmw?


Your definition of what is scummy is wrong, like I said in mah post. <3 And yes, it's four to lynch.

On January 10 2013 11:21 DarthPunk wrote:
Fuck it. Yamato has to be town

So I am calling 2 of

ZB, Mr Z, Jay.



From Yamato
Jay/MrZ - I touched upon this earlier, it seems the most likely scum team to me given their play this game.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:41 GMT
#1548
Another way to prove that Yamato and Z-Boson are scum.

Two of the four MrZ, Jay, Yamato, and Z-Boson are scum.

If you are scum, you are going to vote for the two townspeople, because if you say you will vote for your scum buddy and another townsperson, and people want to lynch your scum buddy, you will be forced to bus him. If you don't vote for him, it will be obvious that you were scum just bluffing that you would vote for your scum buddy.

Because the two scum would vote for the two townpeople, they would vote for the same people.

Now look at who these people have last said they think is mafia.

Boson thinks Jay/MrZ
Yamato thinks Jay/MrZ

Jay thinks MrZ/Boson
MrZ knows Yamato/Z-Boson

Note that Boson and Yamato are the only people accusing the same people, just like scum would do.

(Although they haven't actually voted yet, by accusing these people, they are setting themselves up to vote for one of those people.)
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 11 2013 00:42 GMT
#1549
Keep going Mr. Z. You are beginning to interest me.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:43 GMT
#1550
I'll keep you updated if I think of anything else.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 11 2013 00:47 GMT
#1551
Idk this could all just be tons and tons of WIFOM. Probably is.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:48 GMT
#1552
Na, Occam's Razor.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 11 2013 00:52 GMT
#1553
Zentor none of this is even remotely new information about my play, why is it that you're making this case, which is half comprised of town cases for yourself and jay, only once you find yourself under pressure? You've said you've had a scum read on me most of the game and indeed wanted me to be lynched but yet you never thought that posting something like this would help your cause? The timing if this serves only to weaken its potential effect, as you are almost assuredly acting defensively in this instance, a fact supported by the town cases you thought to include.

Furthermore, the idea that I have been serious and not joking the entire game is obviously true. You caught me, I take mafia seriously. How this is indicative of me being scum I have yet to make the connection. I rarely joke, even as town, and am often highly emotionally strained and angry, especially in games where I am under suspicion such as my very first game on this forum, or in Parallel World Mafia. Being carefree may be a town tell, but not being carefree is almost assuredly not a scum tell.

The rest of your case is pretty dumb. You're calling me scum for doing the exact things you're not, which is playing in town's best interest. How on earth is playing pro-town supposed to prove I'm scum? It's also highly convenient that this logic also exonerates you in that it implies the reverse, that people who are obviously not pro-town are somehow town. This is a subtle, smooth way to assert your own towniness while also shitting on me. Ultimately, though, your mind is obviously not on proving that I'm scum, but in implanting the idea that your behavior this game is acceptable, even though you've been anti-town for quite some time.

Is it a coincidence that you've been on both wagons this game? Is it a coincidence that you have been on both of these wagons with very little justification for your votes? Why would a town player play like this? Why would a town player hold such valuable information such as the reasons for his reads for almost the entire game, only to post them when it becomes evident that not doing so will mean his head? You say a scum's objective is survival, well what objective do you think I see in this?

You've been silent about this type of thing almost the whole game. Only when forced to do so have you been forthcoming with information. Isn't it in scum's best interest to withhold information from town? Isn't it easier to bullshit your reads when you don't post anything but "X is town/scum?" Isn't it easy to appear to be right with your reads if you give more town reads than scumreads? Isn't it easy to pick on people that confirmed townies have picked on?

Honestly I don't see a scum team that doesn't include you. Jay/Z was likely but is becoming less probable. With the posting of this case though, you fail to explain your scum read on Z-Bo at all. It seems he's only scum because of some process of elimination. No, what you're doing here is considering who you think you can get mislynched tomorrow, because that wins you the game. You've never really tried to get Z-Bo lynched this entire game, you've focused on getting me lynched, a townie. It's sure easy to bus your partner if he's never had any votes on him, isn't it? The same could be said for Z-bo, in that you've never really been in any danger of getting lynched until now, and right now no one is getting lynched.

Could definitely see Z/Z scum team as a possibility. It sounds silly on its face, like I said before, but it's all WIFOM at some point.
Writer@WriterYamato
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 00:58 GMT
#1554
You blame me for being on both wagons, but you hammered Xatalos.

And if you think a Z/Z scum team is probable, then can we agree to lynch him tomorrow?

After all, he's a scum read to both of us.

And it's not like your pretending to be okay with voting him, just so you keep tunneling me, right?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 11 2013 01:01 GMT
#1555
On January 11 2013 09:58 MrZentor wrote:
You blame me for being on both wagons, but you hammered Xatalos.

And if you think a Z/Z scum team is probable, then can we agree to lynch him tomorrow?

After all, he's a scum read to both of us.

And it's not like your pretending to be okay with voting him, just so you keep tunneling me, right?

I would lynch either of you.
Writer@WriterYamato
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 01:04 GMT
#1556
Okay, well I think you're bluffing.

I doubt you would lynch Z-Boson.

And because you think we're both scum, what would be wrong with killing Z-Boson instead of me first?
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 11 2013 01:07 GMT
#1557
On January 11 2013 10:04 MrZentor wrote:
Okay, well I think you're bluffing.

I doubt you would lynch Z-Boson.

And because you think we're both scum, what would be wrong with killing Z-Boson instead of me first?

Why should I believe that you're not bluffing?

As I said, you can talk all the shit you want but your focus, even right now, is pushing town to lynch me. You're just using this as a way to try to "trap" me.

You're better scum than I thought, Zentor.
Writer@WriterYamato
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
January 11 2013 01:08 GMT
#1558
Everything is just a he said she said thing at this point. Eh.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
MrZentor
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1648 Posts
January 11 2013 01:09 GMT
#1559
On January 11 2013 10:07 yamato77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 10:04 MrZentor wrote:
Okay, well I think you're bluffing.

I doubt you would lynch Z-Boson.

And because you think we're both scum, what would be wrong with killing Z-Boson instead of me first?

Why should I believe that you're not bluffing?

As I said, you can talk all the shit you want but your focus, even right now, is pushing town to lynch me. You're just using this as a way to try to "trap" me.

You're better scum than I thought, Zentor.


Okay, so you think I might be bluffing, and I think you might be bluffing.

So why don't we both agree to kill Z-Boson tomorrow?

And we'll see once and for all who's bluffing.

We'll see who's Boson's scum partner.
Falling’s just like flying, except there’s a more permanent destination.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 11 2013 01:17 GMT
#1560
On January 11 2013 10:09 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2013 10:07 yamato77 wrote:
On January 11 2013 10:04 MrZentor wrote:
Okay, well I think you're bluffing.

I doubt you would lynch Z-Boson.

And because you think we're both scum, what would be wrong with killing Z-Boson instead of me first?

Why should I believe that you're not bluffing?

As I said, you can talk all the shit you want but your focus, even right now, is pushing town to lynch me. You're just using this as a way to try to "trap" me.

You're better scum than I thought, Zentor.


Okay, so you think I might be bluffing, and I think you might be bluffing.

So why don't we both agree to kill Z-Boson tomorrow?

And we'll see once and for all who's bluffing.

We'll see who's Boson's scum partner.

How is lynching Boson going to help anything?

He flips town, and you win because it was jay/mrz scum team.

He flips scum, and then we both are left thinking the other is scum and bussed, and it does nothing to prove anything.

Like I said I have no problem lynching him but you're implying that you know the alignment of him/jay which is something that is not confirmed by any means. Your certainty about this matter is unsettling.
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