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On February 04 2013 10:09 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 10:06 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:On February 04 2013 10:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 09:13 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Even if he can indeed cast something, he can't "recover" right? If he gets down to 0 HP he dies no matter what, right? No, because it'd 'rush' people into casting spells. The no in response rule has been made to counter this, and quickly casting spells to kill someone before they can cast something would be included in that. But this applies to him the same right?
Imagine I get him down to 0 HP, and he does nothing
Imagine he has a "Gain 1 life" sorcery. Now imagine he plays it at the last second of this Main Phase.
Wouldn't this be unfair? We'd be playing this whole Main Phase under the assumption he'd die, and he fucks that up at the last second.
Could you maybe give him a "set" time for him to use a card that prevents him from dying or something? That way once that set time passes we are sure he'll die at the end of the cycle/G Of course my concerns about this is because we CAN deal A LOT of damage to him, not just 5. But we would ONLY deal 5 damage to him if it kills him. So if he has the "Gain 1 life" card, and uses it now, then we can kill him with 1 more damage this Main Phase But if he waits until the very last moment and ninja-casts, then we can't, and thus he'll survive longer when he shouldn't/G
But you still have 3 mana open after you do this, right? So you can still Ball Lightning it up if shenannies happen?
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Okay then.
Before attacking Xfire, I want to know if this is true though:
On February 04 2013 10:02 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 09:44 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:On February 04 2013 09:42 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Doesn't that, like, not work because aperture doesn't have a creature?
~dandel Oh you may be right Well Aperture, better get a creature out soon. Nope, my fellow Hydra head is wrong. Fork rulings are strange like that, but Reckless Abandon's text reads "as an additional cost". Sacrificing the creature is thus part of the casting cost, which does not need to be payed again. AS can fork the crap out of that. Hur hur hur.
And if it is indeed true, what do we do about it?
If Aperture does attack Xfire with it (no reason not to, no matter his alignment), then who should I attack with the 4 damage?
Appy? I'm not really sure about that now, but could be.
Aperture this game is giving me the same feels Grey did last game: I want to kill him just so he doesn't become an inconvenience
I'm not 100% sure he's scum, there are little stuff that makes me think he's town.....but him being alive would always give us "What if he's scum?" feeling (at least it does to me) every time, specially if we kill another townie later.
I kind of want him dead just because of that, just like the previous game :/
/G
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On February 04 2013 10:15 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 10:07 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 04 2013 10:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 08:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
What did 1 damage to Aperture Science? Didn't he take 2 from the Soul Siphon and 1 from Poster's attack, putting him at 17? Manaburn from Braid of Fire. Yay, we're not playing with the retarded new rules that removed that. Also, that means he should be at 14, right? 2 dmg from siphon 1 dmg from lavamancer 1 mana burn t2 2 mana burn t3 I forgot manaburn doesn't exist anymore, my bad. No mana burn. Also, Braid of Fire mana can be used during the Main Phase. What? How the hell? Is he allowed to use the mana to cast sorceries or permanents? Is he allowed to use it to cast instants that interact with sorceries or permanents played that turn? If so, you just ninja-improved the shit out of a card without telling us.
My apologies, I had forgotten to tell this. Since there's no upkeep phase, there'd be no time between untapping and casting a spell. This was the solution to that problem. It is to be used only for instants. Obviously, they shouldn't interact with cards that were played that turn.
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On February 04 2013 10:15 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 10:07 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 04 2013 10:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 08:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
What did 1 damage to Aperture Science? Didn't he take 2 from the Soul Siphon and 1 from Poster's attack, putting him at 17? Manaburn from Braid of Fire. Yay, we're not playing with the retarded new rules that removed that. Also, that means he should be at 14, right? 2 dmg from siphon 1 dmg from lavamancer 1 mana burn t2 2 mana burn t3 I forgot manaburn doesn't exist anymore, my bad. No mana burn. Also, Braid of Fire mana can be used during the Main Phase. What? How the hell? Is he allowed to use the mana to cast sorceries or permanents? Is he allowed to use it to cast instants that interact with sorceries or permanents played that turn? If so, you just ninja-improved the shit out of a card without telling us.Also, Appy, why did you not tell us? In fact, why did you purposefully withhold that information last turn when you tapped more lands than you needed to cast Reverberate?
Check, I only tapped one mountain.
I am concerned about cross, but there is literally nothing more I can do than fork something
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Correction, I have 5 potential damage to give to someone other than Xfire
4 from my Reckless Abandon, and 1 left-over from Keldon Marauders
5 damage....is like a lot. It can put Aperture and Stutters below the scum beast threshold, and it can put everybody else under that threshold for next turn
I don't want to be reckless with it
(again assuming what Clock said about RA is true and Aperture can use it without sacrificing a creature)
/G
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Also my mtg options for the day. My ideal play for my deck development is Door of Destinies. It would result in my bear staying 2/2 today, but it will hit 4/4 tomorrow and I'll have abother 4/4 out tomorrow with summoning sickness (1 counter,gaeas anthem on each). My next best play is the bear and anthem today to have 3 today and 6 kp tomorrow due to no.counters. Depends how much kp we need today.
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On February 04 2013 10:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 10:15 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 04 2013 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 10:07 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 04 2013 10:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 08:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
What did 1 damage to Aperture Science? Didn't he take 2 from the Soul Siphon and 1 from Poster's attack, putting him at 17? Manaburn from Braid of Fire. Yay, we're not playing with the retarded new rules that removed that. Also, that means he should be at 14, right? 2 dmg from siphon 1 dmg from lavamancer 1 mana burn t2 2 mana burn t3 I forgot manaburn doesn't exist anymore, my bad. No mana burn. Also, Braid of Fire mana can be used during the Main Phase. What? How the hell? Is he allowed to use the mana to cast sorceries or permanents? Is he allowed to use it to cast instants that interact with sorceries or permanents played that turn? If so, you just ninja-improved the shit out of a card without telling us. My apologies, I had forgotten to tell this. Since there's no upkeep phase, there'd be no time between untapping and casting a spell. This was the solution to that problem. It is to be used only for instants. Obviously, they shouldn't interact with cards that were played that turn.
This is false
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Braid's mana empties when the phase changes. This means I can only use it during the main phase, not the combat phase. But I can use it for anything.
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Good news guys! In theory, i can cast both Blades of Velis Vel and a Cryptoplasm this turn. Any requests for the Blades?
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iGrok, Grey, can you guys link me games you've been scum in?
/G
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On February 04 2013 10:24 Nova_Terra wrote:
Good news guys! In theory, i can cast both Blades of Velis Vel and a Cryptoplasm this turn. Any requests for the Blades?
Bad news guys! In theory, we haven't found the remaining scum yet to use all this cool shit in. Any requests for the 2nd scum?
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I'm too lazy to link, but I've been scum in LotR (Where I claimed Balrog) and there's one other one that I don't remember.
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If I cast Reckless Abandon, can Aperture fork it without having to sacrifice a creature?
I can kill Xfire RIGHT NOW (with help of Aperture if the above is true)
Better start figuring out where all our excess KP can go to.
Also technically S&B's "policy" comes true now. You can technically attack anybody else you want and think is scum now, we don't need "focused" KP anymore unless we have an unanimous read on a guy being scum
/G
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On February 04 2013 10:25 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 10:24 Nova_Terra wrote:
Good news guys! In theory, i can cast both Blades of Velis Vel and a Cryptoplasm this turn. Any requests for the Blades? Bad news guys! In theory, we haven't found the remaining scum yet to use all this cool shit in. Any requests for the 2nd scum?
No need to be a dick...
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I was town in Experiment II, as Pink2, Caller - Remove Incognito, and pretty much all the other games I've played in.
I don't really keep track haha.
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On February 04 2013 10:29 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
If I cast Reckless Abandon, can Aperture fork it without having to sacrifice a creature?
Yes.
Regarding the Braid of Fire thing, I have a headache and I need to go to bed so I'll deal with it tomorrow.
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Also blades Of velis vel is a buff
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On February 04 2013 10:20 GreYMisT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2013 10:15 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 04 2013 10:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 10:07 Clockwork Hydra wrote:On February 04 2013 10:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On February 04 2013 08:52 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
What did 1 damage to Aperture Science? Didn't he take 2 from the Soul Siphon and 1 from Poster's attack, putting him at 17? Manaburn from Braid of Fire. Yay, we're not playing with the retarded new rules that removed that. Also, that means he should be at 14, right? 2 dmg from siphon 1 dmg from lavamancer 1 mana burn t2 2 mana burn t3 I forgot manaburn doesn't exist anymore, my bad. No mana burn. Also, Braid of Fire mana can be used during the Main Phase. What? How the hell? Is he allowed to use the mana to cast sorceries or permanents? Is he allowed to use it to cast instants that interact with sorceries or permanents played that turn? If so, you just ninja-improved the shit out of a card without telling us.Also, Appy, why did you not tell us? In fact, why did you purposefully withhold that information last turn when you tapped more lands than you needed to cast Reverberate? Check, I only tapped one mountain. I am concerned about cross, but there is literally nothing more I can do than fork something
Sorry, I just assumed that you tapped 2 due to getting mana burned. I guess the mana burn reason for you taking damage was therefore also wrong?
Still, you never told anybody. Nor corrected wrong assumptions about its working in this game:
On February 02 2013 07:30 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2013 07:18 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Oh and for that, Stutters should make bear now.
Go stutters! The entire game* hangs on your ability to make a bear!
*slight exaggeration
~dandel Once again, I disagree with my hydra head. I think Stutters should do what he wants. If he thinks a 2/2 bear helps town, then great. If something else, great too: he's the only one who knows his deck and how it can contribute. Word of caution, though: I'm not sure a howling mine is a good idea, because we have to consider the serious situation where Aperture is scum and will "go off" tomorrow and deck us all, play an infinite number of Eldrazi or do something else fucked up. The presence of Epic Experiment AND Mind's Desire in his GY point towards a pretty funky combo where he just dumps down a giant list of instants and sorceries which ends in 200 damage to everybody else in the game. "I win". Dandel was saying we should blow up his braids. I don't quite see what 2 red mana in his upkeep can do (can only play instants, not sorceries), but it's something to keep under consideration. I WOULD like Aperture to tell us how his deck is supposed to work and what he needs to "go off", so we can estimate the threat he likely poses. /Acro
On February 04 2013 01:21 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
I don't understand the deck either. But my brain isn't working and the deck looks complicated. Eye of the Storm, Hive Mind and Niv-Mizzet together seem like the threat, but there doesn't actually seem to be an effective finisher.
I also don't understand why half the cards that are in there are included as they don't seem to be needed for the combo, or useful in setting it up. Also, what's the point of Braids, when all the expensive spells are enchantments or sorceries (and I guess a Hamletback Goliath, but I don't know why that's there either).
/Acro
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Werewolves invade TL was my first game, then steamship liquidia. I'm having trouble remembering others atm. I'm pretty sure I've played as scum in some minis.
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Acro you realize that my posted decklist was totally unrelated to this game now right?
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