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On January 29 2013 21:07 Acrofales wrote:
@RockHydra: what flavour of storm are you running and should we be worried you can kill us all if you draw a monster hand?
I had to look up what you meant with storm.
Bit of an oldschool player myself.
If you are referring to this: http://wiki.mtgsalvation.com/article/Storm then this deck does not depend on that.
This deck does not benefit more than the average deck from having a lot of cards in hand.
I will wait before my other head is back before revealing more about the deck, since it is his creation.
/zebezt
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On January 29 2013 21:07 Acrofales wrote:
@RockHydra: what flavour of storm are you running and should we be worried you can kill us all if you draw a monster hand?
Nothing like that. Its a ninja deck. I've also come to the realization that a good chunk of my synergy went out the window, with the second main phase being cut.
On January 29 2013 21:27 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 13:55 Crossfire99 wrote:
Hi guys. Just so you know I'm a magic noob. I was supposed to hydra with Risen, but he dropped out and took all the magic knowledge with him lol. I'll try to do my best, but I'll probably still be dumb, therefore, feel free to correct me when I make mistakes because I know I will.
As for this whole Mind Glow issue. I only think a few mana total should be used on it because I don't think it is wise to discard so many cards because that's wasteful. I also don't think I would contribute mana to it because it seems like a big goal of using it is so Bin can get that Voyage card, which if I understand correctly won't help me at all. Risen seems to have had a fondness for non basic lands (all of my basic lands are already in play lol).
Oh, also can anyone that played in the first MTG Mafia summarize any hugely important things from it? Basically, I'm trying to think what is better, everyone attacking 1 person or everyone slowly whittling down everyone else, so they'll be easier to kill later. Typing that out makes me think that attacking 1 person is best because it will be as close to a normal lynch as possible, but I'm not sure with all this magic stuff, so I'm asking.
Apologetic, defensive, wishy washy? Hits them all. Hi scum, welcome to the thread! You don't get to play the noobie card, and if you're scum with marv, you need to streamline your tactics so only one of you does it next game. Coincidentally, mind telling me what you think of Marv?
Why is Crossfire forbidden from playing the noobie card? I actually would like you to explain why his apologetic entrance is scummy, because I have no issue with what Cross put down there. He was wishy-washy on policy, not scumhunting so that also speaks to the "noobie" side of the coin.
~Hopeless
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BinOnFire:
How does your deck actually win?
I could imagine that using Minds Aglow a couple more times after the first one (after a round of getting extra lands) would help people through their decks very fast.
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On January 30 2013 00:40 zebezt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 00:33 Aperture Science wrote:
Oh yeah, if anyone is playing Cheerios Storm, drawing 5 extra cards means they can combo and kill 3 people T1.
I'd forgotten about that one. I'm kinda hoping that Artanis has filtered out such overly aggressive decks. /zebezt
jesus this hydra thing is hard
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On January 30 2013 02:00 Hopeless1der wrote:
I have two phyrexian walkers I wish to play. Any objections?
This shouldn't be this difficult.
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On January 30 2013 02:03 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
No real objection to playing them I guess, but why do you have phyrexian walkers in a ninja deck?
~dandel
ninjutsu into free creatures
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I disagree with the notion of everything that can attack should attack. However, I would only accept that if you were legitimately doing other things, instead of simply not attacking. The combat phase is like the voting structure, so if you either don't have creatures, or you have abilities that you want to use instead of attacking, I would like an explanation of what you intend to do and why. In addition, if you cannot contribute to the attacking phase itself, I'd like input on who you would like to have focused down, if anyone.
I can't say I have anyone who I really think is scum yet. iGrok is the trolliest of us, so he's the lowest level of null in terms of who I would be inclined to attack.
Clockwork and ThePoster are active and from my perspective are trying to steer the town in the "correct" (whatever that means) direction from their point of view.
Stutters has yet to follow through on:
On January 30 2013 00:48 Stutters695 wrote:
I'm up, catching up now.
I'm willing to let slide the initial posting because he said he was at work. I initially found it scummy that ThePoster took a swing at stutters for being afkish last night, but he's done that to almost everything in the thread (looking at you gonzaw).
Stutter's you caught up yet or what? You should have had plenty of time by now, give us something.
Regarding Xfire, and what I asked Acro to expand upon
-> If you haven't seen cross' mafia play from Mario mini, consult with Dandel (he co-hosted). I believe I can "feel" his enthusiasm towards this game and based on what I've seen of his scum play, my gut-read is town on him from his opening post alone. Obviously this is a meta read, but his filter is too short to make anything more than that out of it.
BinOnFire seems to have a very pro-town deck setup, so his posting so far, while generally beneficial for town, is pigeonholed due to the nature of the deck he's running. Aside from wanting to keep him around because we will all benefit, I don't see any great contributions to develop a town OR scum read on him.
I'm null on Nova. His posting doesn't give off scumvibes, and he gave out reads seemingly as soon as they came to mind when he found his way into the thread. However, he developed a suspicion on CH and went off on a speculation tangent:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2013 02:47 Nova_Terra wrote:
2 things before dinner:
I feel that ThePoster is doing a fine job, and has been attempting to do more actual scumhunting and pro-town things than the rest of us. Compared to CH, where I find that much if not most of the time he has been trying to explain why he feels that Minds Aglow is good for the entire town, not only for him. the second thing is related to this:
How is Minds Aglow particularly pro town? If we have to discard back to 7 anyway, I don't like giving CH 10 zombies. Why? Because if he gets 10 zombies before we can get anything that could even come close to rivaling that and he turns out to be scum, we're screwed. Thats like mafia having 30 kp, and we couldnt even be sure if he IS scum because he could just target "scummy" town players. kill 2 of them, and the games like, over. unless someone draws some miracle, that is.
Generally waiting to see what SMTD does, as marv isn't exactly readable day1 and SnB has posted very little.
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Good morning
Sorry I wasnt around last night. Was out playing bridge like an old lady
Havent read everything yet, but Aperture is sure sounding scummy to me with this post
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389088¤tpage=23#455
so super victimized. I'm not even sure if that many people said he was scum, just that he should stop with the stupid trolling.
You might say it's how he always plays, but if he always plays like an idiot he is only going to learn to improve if he dies early every time.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 30 2013 10:28 marvellosity wrote:
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This made my morning
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Also.. with all the raging.. aperture is starting to seem a little less scummy, but not less annoying.
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Read most of the posts.
Seems like there is a lot of posts, but most of it involves the raging and is fairly useless. I will try to actually do some scumhunting tonight.
going to also contribute a mana to the card drawing thingie
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All of these posts are zebezt btw
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On January 30 2013 01:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 00:43 Aperture Science wrote:
What I'm advocating (before anyone says "waaah all you ever do is tell us not to play things") is not to play things that could help scum. Lets see what we already know:
Someone can have 10+ Zombies out T1 if you play Mind's Aglow, and can swing with them T2, killing someone.
At least one person is running Fatties. Honestly I'd be happier with Fatties than a dozen Zombies.
@Zeb, Artanis might not have thought that someone would play mind's aglow for 10 T1. I know he's okay with being able to combo out one player by turn 2, which is what cheerio storm does - unless it draws a dozen extra cards, then it combos everyone. You are running really scared of what scum *might* do, instead of thinking of what they probably WILL do. If there is some deck that will combo out everybody on T2, then it is 3.5x more likely to be on town side. Meaning we have a 7:2 chance of town winning on T2, right off the bat. Maybe we should discuss deck strategies a bit more and who is playing what, in order to decide whether any potential combos will fuck us over, or win us the game. Thereby shifting the probabilities even further in our favour. Also, you only have to fear zombies, if you're scum. Are you scum, iGrok? Your extremely cautious play indicates to me that you are. A townie being afraid of all the potential ways he can die would try to figure out whether they can and will actually happen, rather than fear monger with it. Also, as I said above, townies have statistics on their side and thus less reason to be scared. /Acro
The underlined part is just not true.
Don't post lies unless you wanna appear scummy.
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On January 30 2013 07:59 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Rock (zeb especially): I want to hear more from you. I know how excited you were for this and I happen to know you better than anyone in this game (since I was your town coach) give me something to work with here.
p
I realize I haven't posted much. I will try to get some contributions in tonight.
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On January 30 2013 21:20 Clockwork Hydra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 18:22 RockHydra wrote:On January 30 2013 01:05 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Also, you only have to fear zombies, if you're scum.
The underlined part is just not true. Don't post lies unless you wanna appear scummy. Not a lie. It's entirely from my point of view, but it's not a lie. /Acro
If you tell people how to feel, it might be better to look at it from their POV.
/zebezt
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On January 30 2013 22:22 Clockwork Hydra wrote:
Why, that's completely pointless. If you tell me that you're afraid of the dark, I'm not going to look at it from your point of view. I'm going to tell you that you shouldn't be afraid of the dark and give you a bunch of reasons for why the dark isn't scary.
You know why zombies aren't scary if you're not scum? Because they won't attack you!
"You have poor social skills" (from Silver Linings Playbook)
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Nice work, grok/aperture
pretty impressed with the effort. Hope it was fun for you 
This is setting a high standard for analysis.
I must admit I kinda missed the link at first too when I glanced over it. Never seen the spreadsheet approach before.
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On January 31 2013 03:14 BinOnFire wrote:My other high-priority read is RockHydra, mostly due to this empty promise of his: Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 17:41 RockHydra wrote:
Read most of the posts.
Seems like there is a lot of posts, but most of it involves the raging and is fairly useless. I will try to actually do some scumhunting tonight.
going to also contribute a mana to the card drawing thingie Show nested quote +On January 30 2013 18:44 RockHydra wrote:On January 30 2013 07:59 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
Rock (zeb especially): I want to hear more from you. I know how excited you were for this and I happen to know you better than anyone in this game (since I was your town coach) give me something to work with here.
p I realize I haven't posted much. I will try to get some contributions in tonight. So what does he actually post? Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 00:34 RockHydra wrote:Nice work, grok/aperture pretty impressed with the effort. Hope it was fun for you This is setting a high standard for analysis. I must admit I kinda missed the link at first too when I glanced over it. Never seen the spreadsheet approach before. Lazy sheeping, baaa. Actual contributions? Neigh!
Don't be an idiot. If I post in my morning that I'm going to post in the evening, you should wait till it's actually evening before complaining about empty promises.
I'm now gonna do some reading n posting.
/zebezt
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On January 31 2013 03:10 (DontFear)ThePoster wrote:
So who do you think is that scum hydra?
If you are not the scum hydra, at least help us get him.
Also that's the truth marv. Or rather it's something I know WILL happen in this game (it's kind of inevitable). You can't just say "Fuck you just make a decent read on me, if you don't it's your fault", mafia doesn't work like that.
/G
I find this whole "people assume there must be a scum hydra" thing of yours to be suspicious.
I don't think anyone specifically said there must be a scum hydra. It seems like you are trying to push the discussion in a certain direction without a good reason.
Is it likely that there is a scum hydra? Yes, because there are so many hydra's.
Is it unlikely there is no scum hydra? Not very unlikely. (12%)
It is as likely a lone player is scum, as that a hydra is scum, so why look at hydra's only?
/zebezt
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