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drazak
United States479 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 16 2012 11:24 kushm4sta wrote: I don't want to lynch an assortment of lurkers. You misunderstand me. I want to lynch everyone I consider unreadable due to lurking, and I hope that is as few people as possible. Under 5 posts doesn't mean you are a lurker. Over 5 posts doesn't mean you aren't a lurker. It's all about the content of those posts. Like right now the only lurkers I really want to lynch is Mr Zentor and threesr. And that will change if they post more. Except threesr because i know he's not going to post more... he said he even said he was gonna do a lurker strat lol So why don't you want to lynch JieXian then? He's far more lurky than MrZ. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush. he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 16 2012 11:38 thrawn2112 wrote: ok here's what I probably mean about kush... you mention his terrible ideas... yes the things he's said he'll do this game have been crazy, but that's his meta right? this game however, it seems like they are intentionally dumb. scum kush says crazier things than town kush. he said he's not going to lynch me no matter what... is that a joke? an actual plan? the problem is I couldn't really tell.... it's so different from town oriented thinking I don't know what to make of it. the only reason I have to suspect that town kush could possibly have said that is because he's lynched me over and over for the same reasons and I keep flipping town. Yeah I get where you're coming from. The problem is that he's capable of those things as scum or town. I tend to read him more on emotion though, and him being more collected is more towards his town personality. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
So, if you are town, you absolutely must start posting more and giving us your scum reads, even if they are weak and backed up with a short reasoning. We need at least this from you. Here are some players I'm very concerned about right now MrZentor MrZentor has not made a single post which could be called a good contribution to this thread. The thing that concerns me is the way he is trying to get as much as town credit he can for doing absolutely nothing. On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor Because I can. This is meaningless in itself. The town motivation could be to spark some discussion, the mafia motivation could be to throw some WIFOM out there like "mafia players don't vote themselves" and/or to be disruptive. I've cast my vote on him as a probe to see his reaction (or anyone reaction in the thread) and here is the answer I got. So I don't think that his goal was to create discussion. This post is just meaningless again. And yet, here he comes with this On December 15 2012 13:40 MrZentor wrote: I generated more discussion than you could have ever hoped for. Be thankful. On December 16 2012 02:02 MrZentor wrote: Okay, I think I've established my townieness. I should be more or less actually helpful from now on. Totally unwarranted. He didn't generate any good discussion, he didn't take part of it at least. MrZ is totally a lurker this game (even if he states he is not). Moreover, I've tried to confront him for his "generating discussion post" and he didn't answer me... The icing on the cake is his total OMGUS vote on JieXan, with absolutely no explanation. On December 15 2012 23:21 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote JieXian So, yeah, I think that MrZ could be scum. My concern right now is that another player that could be totally scum, JieXan (more on this later) is also going after him. I don't believe that they could be both scum, but meh... I'll post separate posts for JieXan and kush  I'm dropping DP for the moment because I believe that DP doesn't care about the setup or the OP, regardless of his alignment. He is also fairly active and confronts people, and will do so as town or as mafia, and I feel that could actually help us given all the lurkers we have. We just have to check if he drops his scum reads for easier mislynches in the future and if he is not too stupid in his tunnelings, that's what Keir told about his scum meta basically, am I right ? Regarding the setup/OP thing, him lynching our uncontested self-aware miller who had claimed at the beginning of the game and totally discarding all my posts about the setup in the Mario showed me that town DP doesn't give a fuck about this kind of things. I thought at first he was totally hypocrite when saying "you cannot go after people for not reading the OP", trying to cover for his own mistake, but he could be actually be genuine about this one. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
JieXan First of all, I liked DYH latest case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote: @DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again. I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start? Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote: Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post. I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on) Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame. Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads) He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. And then just proceeds to tunnel MrZ, which has not given us so much to work from. Right now, I think that JieXan has the most chances to flip scum. Hence my vote. ##Vote Jiexan | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Kushm4sta Kush <3 Kush is notoriously hard to read and an easy mislynch, but they are some things that concerns me in his posts so far. The first thing, of course, is that he is going after me in a very nit-picky way. He is attacking me for one post that he takes totally out of context. That could totally be a scum kush scanning filters to look for something scummy. Let's take a look. On December 15 2012 11:27 kushm4sta wrote: "in not retarded I'm town" -djo does that strike anyone else as an intensely scummy thing to say? not sure why but i read it and my scumsenses went off the charts. Totally taken out of the context here. At least he quotes the whole sentence in the next post, but still failed to note that I was answering to Hapa and DP at that time. On December 16 2012 01:23 kushm4sta wrote: *snip* My biggest scumread so far is djodref. I'm not going to make a big case because it's mostly a feel read at this point honestly. what's really going on in this post is he is making it clear that the reason he brought up the witchcraft votes in the first place was because he thought it was something town would do, and he brought it up not because he cared but because he thought it would make him look town. The other part of my suspicion is how he reacted under pressure. in the last game I played with him he was town. There was a similar early bandwagon and he seemed like he didn't really give a shit. This game he responded to the bandwagon very attentively. Making lists and responding to everyone. His vote on hapa looked like a panic vote. *snip* I brought it up because it was clear for me at that time that Hapa and DP didn't read the part about the witchcraft votes in the OP. I've explained it already when he posted this. So he totally discards the context of this post one more time. For the pressure thing, it's kind of true, but I have been mislynched in the NMM XIX game for not giving a shit about people going after me for bad reasons. So, yeah, I care more about my defense now. I don't understand were he comes from when saying that my vote on Hapa is a panic vote. That's just bs. The other thing is that Kush has shown an anti-town mentality. On December 15 2012 10:27 kushm4sta wrote: town for the millionth time in a row. my rules this game: 1. I will never vote thrawn no matter how scummy he looks. I've been certain and wrong too many times. and I have to live with th regret every day of my life. *snip* 3. I am going to advocate the systematic extermination of lurkers. Yup I want to lynch unreadables over scmreads. And lurking makes you unreadable and immune to all efforts at scumhunting. Fuck fake pressuring active people.by pretending we might vote them. IF there is a lurker I will push his lynch. Never voting someone, no matter how scummy he looks... Lynching lurkers over scumreads... That's anti-town, but kush is also quite non-sensical, so I'm not sure what to do with that. On December 16 2012 05:48 kushm4sta wrote: Yup that's my rule for this game. kill lurkers before scumreads At least he is consistent with his rule. Oh wait ! he is being called for it and then... On December 16 2012 11:14 kushm4sta wrote: *snip* So when you look at it, the lurker issue really isn't that bad this game. So thrawn, when you say lurkers are making this game "unplayable" that is kinda bs. WTF ! This lurker issue is very concerning this game. I don't understand how he could not stick to his rule now ! So, all in all, I'm leaning scum on Kush, but it's a weak read because he is could have done these posts as town as well. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On December 15 2012 06:23 MrZentor wrote: Hi and stuff. On December 15 2012 07:08 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote MrZentor Because I can. On December 15 2012 13:40 MrZentor wrote: I generated more discussion than you could have ever hoped for. Be thankful. On December 15 2012 23:21 MrZentor wrote: ##Vote JieXian On December 16 2012 02:02 MrZentor wrote: Okay, I think I've established my townieness. I should be more or less actually helpful from now on. On December 16 2012 07:19 MrZentor wrote: I think "Lurking is the most effective scum strategy for its difficulty," would be a more accurate statement. On December 16 2012 08:28 MrZentor wrote: KILL HIM KILL HIM NOW On December 16 2012 11:33 MrZentor wrote: I'm not a lurker, kush..... yes you are. On December 16 2012 11:36 Hapahauli wrote: So why don't you want to lynch JieXian then? He's far more lurky than MrZ. No he's really not. Is this a matter of not comparing their filters or do you genuinely believe this? It's like you are just looking at the post count and nothing else. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
And I'm pretty sure JieXan is scum. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
If we cannot consolidate on them, we have to lynch a lurker/inactive player. Here are now my candidates to a policy lynch
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 13:43 MrZentor wrote: Whether somebody is a lurker or not isn't based on the content of their posts, but their activity. And I'm pretty sure JieXan is scum. ok, cool, based on your activity you are totally a lurker. I could even say that you are active lurking because you start to post just after my case against you. Give us your own reasons why you think that JieXan is scum. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
If you are around, I want you to address my case. I'm really interested in your stance on me right now  | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Something big. Look at all the cases on JieXan. They're all based on his reaction to ME. I had a part in each and every one of those cases in that I formed the foundation of them; why should I repeat what they say to you? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Why did you feel to make THREE mega cases at this stage in the game? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 13:55 MrZentor wrote: Djo, you're missing something. Something big. Look at all the cases on JieXan. They're all based on his reaction to ME. I had a part in each and every one of those cases in that I formed the foundation of them; why should I repeat what they say to you? That's not true ! DYH's case is based on how JieXan is going after you. On the opposite, my case against JieXan is based on his scumslip regarding DP and Hapa. And to answer your question, you have to give your own reasons for wanting to lynch JieXan. So we can have a better read on you. I don't understand how you can be so sure that JieXan is going to flip scum and I want you to explain yourself ! | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote: I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post. I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on) no this is a lie On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote: Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction. but i think he's town because x Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot. but now i think he's town because x But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another ##Vote MrZentor the red parts are what I just now added to the 2nd post that would make the 1st post true. I bolded "but above all" because that implies you still hold your suspicions about hapa/dp. J scum-slipped hard, he lied about the scumslip, he's a lurker... and he's scum | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 13:55 kushm4sta wrote: @djodref have you ever made a mega case as town? Why did you feel to make THREE mega cases at this stage in the game? @ Kush Are you seriously going after me because I'm scumhunting ? I've made some cases like this in the Chrono Trigger game (against TC) and in the NMM XXX game against Clarity. I'll let you check my previous filters, the links are in my profile. This game is full of lurkers and/or inactive players, I had to step up and put some real effort in this game. Seriously, kush, if you are town, you should know that you always read me wrong. You had me as town in the Looney and as scum in the NMM XIXX so get your things together and go after someone else. What about your stance on the lurkers ? What was your fucking post where you say that lurkers are not a problem this game ? | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
On December 16 2012 14:01 Djodref wrote: That's not true ! DYH's case is based on how JieXan is going after you. On the opposite, my case against JieXan is based on his scumslip regarding DP and Hapa. And to answer your question, you have to give your own reasons for wanting to lynch JieXan. So we can have a better read on you. I don't understand how you can be so sure that JieXan is going to flip scum and I want you to explain yourself ! Yeah, it might have but a bit of an exaggeration, but you get point. ' And you have an excellent read on me, knowing that I am purposefully not giving you my reasons as to why I think JieXan is scum. Would a scum take that risk? | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 14:11 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, it might have but a bit of an exaggeration, but you get point. ' And you have an excellent read on me, knowing that I am purposefully not giving you my reasons as to why I think JieXan is scum. Would a scum take that risk? Your defense is based on WIFOM and so it's not a valid point to defend yourself. Retaining information is anti-town. I don't have an excellent read on you, all your post so far have been meaningless and useless. The only thing that speaks so far for a town MrZentor for me right now is that JieXan was going after you from the get go and is tunneling you right now. You have done nothing on your own to show that you are town and yet you blatantly state the opposite. That is worrying me a lot. | ||
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