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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 16 2012 12:50 Djodref wrote: JieXan First of all, I liked DYH latest case against him + Show Spoiler [for reference] + On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote: @DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again. I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now. His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ. A behavior read. An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM. Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start? Here is how he entered the thread casually spreading suspicion over Hapa and DP. His point against Hapa is not so bad, but it's kind of nit picky. I'll pass him this one because I was really startled when Hapa brought it. On the other hand, his points against DP and Zentor are bad. Regarding DP, in the early game, you have to pressure people for some trivia, and pressuring people is more a townie behavior than a mafia behavior, even if it's not totally true for DP. The main point here is that he calls them townies in the same post. That's just a scumslip. because this refers to Hapa and DP. So he enters the thread by spreading suspicion on them but calling them townies when he votes finally MrZ. So either he has a townread on them, in this case the first suspicions and points against them are totally useless and unwarranted for, either he is a mafia player that knows their alignment. Let's take a look at the rest of his filter to decide what is more likely. He doesn't really comment on the fact that he called them townies. And now he said that they were saying weird things, and not scummy things. And then just proceeds to tunnel MrZ, which has not given us so much to work from. Right now, I think that JieXan has the most chances to flip scum. Hence my vote. ##Vote Jiexan wth I started with commenting about the behavior from dp and hapa was confusing and mindless babbing and put scumminess in brackets: I'm the most consistent player here with my stand. I only called dp and hapa townie / less likely to me mafia and not everyone else wth. Got no strong reads on anyone besides MRZ. I've played a game with town hapa and I felt the same about his behavior while he was posting cases and I found his logic questionable at times too, guess what? I learnt that strong townie players DO do stupid things too. My case against MrZ still stands firm: He's extremely timid this game, read his damn posts: and compare it to his town filters. Vote against himself, DUH vote against me, comments on lurkers NOT A SINGLE READ YET On December 16 2012 14:01 Djodref wrote: On the opposite, my case against JieXan is based on his scumslip regarding DP and Hapa. I got a strong town read on dp and slightly town read on hapa. I said that I changed my mind as I was typing my first post, as I was thinking. It was a post about my train of thought. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 16 2012 14:11 MrZentor wrote: Yeah, it might have but a bit of an exaggeration, but you get point. ' And you have an excellent read on me, knowing that I am purposefully not giving you my reasons as to why I think JieXan is scum. Would a scum take that risk? MrZ, you have to understand that while your "townieness" (if you're town) is self-evident to you, it's not evident to us with your current attitude. Just as easily as it is to argue your way ("scum wouldn't take the risk"), it's also easy to argue the other way ("scum don't want to provide analysis // scum wants to sheep non-confrontationally"). . | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 14:25 MrZentor wrote: I have done a lot to show that I'm town; you're just reading it the wrong way. Quit the crap and go scumhunt, and first of all give us your own reasons to vote for JieXan. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
And trust me, my scum play isn't this good. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote: Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game). This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy. I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099 What? I see him making reads there on the first page. Voting on someone and looking for reasons later is an act of a completely retarded 5 year old mafia player ...... I only posted my train of thought as my first post because I was about to leave and can only post in 10 hours later I can't justify my read on dp yet because useful information is coming out right now as people as posting cases against me | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 14:36 JieXian wrote: as people are* posting cases against me Do you have any other scumread so far (at the exception of MrZentor) ? I want you to provide extensive cases against other players, you have to convince me than somebody is more likely to flip scum than you, which I doubt at this point. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On December 15 2012 14:57 thrawn2112 wrote: ok it's even better than that: says hapa did suspicious stuff, said dp did suspicious stuff..... yet we are all townies trying to lynch each other? wtf? it's only referring to hapa and dp , not you | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 15:31 JieXian wrote: djo no, I don't have other solid reads yet because it's so easy to misintepret my rushed first post and jump on me . it's only referring to hapa and dp , not you Why the fact that your first post is "easy to misinterpret" has anything to do with your lack of suspicion of anyone at the exception of MrZentor ? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Next in the list are other lurkers which are hard to make a case against for now. On December 16 2012 14:31 thrawn2112 wrote: JieXian, you accuse zentor of being timid.... there are some other anti town words I can think of that describe his play so far but timid is definitely not one of them what might that be? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Your case against MrZ rings rather hollow. You claim differences in his meta as one of your main points, but you completely failed to address his town game in Paranoia Mini... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099 ... where he played in a very similar style to what he's doing now. Now I don't like his play, but I have no grounds to call him scum yet. It baffles my mind that you made a meta case on MrZ without including his most recent game! So if you believe he's scum, what's the difference between here and Paranoia? | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Filters Will be Listed Here, along with Day/Night - Hide Spoiler [Important Posts] - End of D1 End of N1 End of D2 End of N2 Yes, he's a lot quieter than the other games I read through but you can't deny the existence of reads in the first page of his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099 | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
and of course posting my train of thought on my suspicions on people won't/wasn't a good idea | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On December 16 2012 16:50 JieXian wrote: i didn't include that game because I opened the filter and thought that it wasn't over Yes, he's a lot quieter than the other games I read through but you can't deny the existence of reads in the first page of his filter http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099 It seems pretty similar in content really. Any difference IMO is pretty easily explained by the seeming consensus lynch target in this game atm (you). Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. You have two town-reads on the most active players in the game, and a scum-read on a troll-type player. There are many other people I want to hear your opinions about: Djo, Drazak, Kush... that's the analysis I want to see you provide. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On December 16 2012 16:53 JieXian wrote: djo I only have town reads well, because others are not posting too and I can only have suspicion at most on them and of course posting my train of thought on my suspicions on people won't/wasn't a good idea So what do you make of my case against Kush then ? You have a town read on him as well ? It looks like you are refusing to contribute right now. | ||
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