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Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 16 2012 08:19 GMT
#561
JX does have a decent case against MrZ, but its not like i trust either of them.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 16 2012 08:19 GMT
#562
On December 16 2012 17:19 Morbidius wrote:
JX does have a decent case against MrZ, but its not like i trust either of them.


Can you give your own thoughts on MrZ? Or anyone other than JX for that matter.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 16 2012 08:26 GMT
#563
On December 16 2012 17:19 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 17:19 Morbidius wrote:
JX does have a decent case against MrZ, but its not like i trust either of them.


Can you give your own thoughts on MrZ? Or anyone other than JX for that matter.

He has played a pretty scummy game so far i gotta say, he just goes around spreading shit or saying things which lead to no progress at all such as stuff about lurkers or just plain whining, and as i said JX has got a few good points against him. If it wasn't for JX ''slips'' I'd say MrZ is the scummyest of them all here.
I just woke up, gonna get some breakfast before saying my other reads
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
December 16 2012 08:49 GMT
#564
Since you didn't answer this before - it sounds like this isn't your first game... what experience you have playing mafia? Haven't seen you around here before.

Also, I'm particularly interested in hearing your reads on Drazak, kush, and Djodref. Though I won't read 'em until tomorrow since I'm going to bed.
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 11:05 GMT
#565
I suggest all town people be around during the lynch if (when?) we decide to lynch a rando lurker
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 16 2012 11:35 GMT
#566
On December 16 2012 16:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 16:50 JieXian wrote:
i didn't include that game because I opened the filter and thought that it wasn't over

Filters
Will be Listed Here, along with Day/Night

- Hide Spoiler [Important Posts] -

End of D1
End of N1
End of D2
End of N2


Yes, he's a lot quieter than the other games I read through but you can't deny the existence of reads in the first page of his filter

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383489&user=137099


It seems pretty similar in content really. Any difference IMO is pretty easily explained by the seeming consensus lynch target in this game atm (you).

Speaking of the lynch, at this point I'm less interested in seeing you go after MrZ, and more interested in you read-dumping. The reads you've provided so far are pretty... non-controversial. You have two town-reads on the most active players in the game, and a scum-read on a troll-type player. There are many other people I want to hear your opinions about: Djo, Drazak, Kush... that's the analysis I want to see you provide.


non-controversial wth?

my explicit town reads were the cause of this mess on my side, maybe not for you but definitely for

On December 15 2012 14:51 thrawn2112 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:
Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk

At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction.

Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot

Show nested quote +
Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor


But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another

##Vote MrZentor


o.O

##unvote
##vote JieXian




On December 16 2012 14:01 Djodref wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On the opposite, my case against JieXan is based on his scumslip regarding DP and Hapa.

And to answer your question, you have to give your own reasons for wanting to lynch JieXan. So we can have a better read on you. I don't understand how you can be so sure that JieXan is going to flip scum and I want you to explain yourself !


On December 15 2012 14:52 DarthPunk wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On December 15 2012 14:51 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:
Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk

At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction.

Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot

Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor


But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another

##Vote MrZentor


o.O

##unvote
##vote JieXian





Yeah. I saw that too. But it seems to easy.



dp didn't push it hard though but it was only because it was "too easy"

and activeness will not be part of my main justification for towniness for dp and hapa and djo I can assure you that

I'll address the reads later

On December 16 2012 16:27 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 14:31 thrawn2112 wrote:
JieXian, you accuse zentor of being timid.... there are some other anti town words I can think of that describe his play so far but timid is definitely not one of them


what might that be?


you still haven't answered me yet I'm genuinely curious

oh shit almost edited my post while i was quoting it
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JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 16 2012 11:39 GMT
#567
and my reads on mrz were the justifications of

On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +

@DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again.



I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now.

His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ.

A behavior read.
On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:
Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk

At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction.

Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot

Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor


But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another

##Vote MrZentor

An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM.
On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.

I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)

Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.

Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads)

Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game).
On December 16 2012 01:23 JieXian wrote:
tell me how zentor's behavior isn't weird as compared to 2 of his other town games

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341663&user=137099
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&user=137099

0 reads 0 risks this game, because town has been going the wrong way, because he doesn't need to.


This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy.

I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start?




not to mention yourself

On December 16 2012 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.

I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)

Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.

Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads)


Saying that "you changed your mind" on a read is pretty easy to do in a post. Why didn't you simply say so? Also, if you changed your mind on a read, why would you even mention an outdated read in the first place?

Also, you called us (myself, DP, perhaps some others) all town. That's a problem.


That last post of yours made absolutely no sense

what the hell?
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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 11:40 GMT
#568
frustrating, uncooperative, etc
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2012 11:40 GMT
#569
Hey. I am not liking a JieXian lynch anymore but am unsure who I would actually like to lynch. maybe a drazak lynch because he keeps promising all this activity but fails to deliver.

any thoughts?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 11:41 GMT
#570
i still really really like it
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 16 2012 11:41 GMT
#571
EDIT: cleaned up my quote on hapa

and my reads on mrz were the basis of the justifications of

On December 16 2012 07:32 DoYouHas wrote:
Show nested quote +

@DP - I think the optimal way to play is to do our best to get the witch hunter to miss. Losing 2 townies, good or bad, is always worse than losing 1. I don't think this is going to convince you, so I'm not going to bring it up again.



I'm feeling more comfortable with my vote on JX right now.

His initial post was rather scummy, the thing to note about it is that it looks constructed (the phrases used when talking about hapa and MrZ, "mindless babbling" & "relative non-chalance". What makes me think he is scum is the progression of his pushing MrZ.

A behavior read.
On December 15 2012 14:47 JieXian wrote:
Hi and sorry I'm late, I'm at +8GMT and I didn't wake up as early as DarthPunk

At first I was really confused (scummy read) about hapa's mindless babbling about 13-3, which ISN'T RELEVANT to anything at all because you can't change anything except stir the discussion towards the wrong direction.

Later I got a stronger read from DP from his ridiculous "pressuring" above all for a point that's completely moot

Djo why did you vote for Mr Zentor


But above all there's Mr Zentor's relative non-chalance to everything seems to trump everything else as doesn't seem to give a damn to anything as townies are well on their way to lynching one another

##Vote MrZentor

An unsupported meta read with some WIFOM.
On December 16 2012 01:06 JieXian wrote:
I was out the whole day man relax. You guys didn't understand my post.

I found what Dp and hapa was saying to be weird BUT I changed my mind as I kept on reading the thread (notice how those 2 points were quite early on)

Based on MrZentor's "uselessness" as you guys termed it, my meta read on him shows that he's acting differently but most of all, if he were scum, he'd have nothing else to do but sit and watch because dp and hapa were in the spotlight and not take any blame.

Meaning he doesn't need to participate and make/risk any reads. I mean take a look at everyone else that's posting, they are all reads (be it weak or strong or sheep reads)

Finally providing support for his meta read. Not conclusive enough considering he is ignoring paranoia (MrZ's most recent town game).
On December 16 2012 01:23 JieXian wrote:
tell me how zentor's behavior isn't weird as compared to 2 of his other town games

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341663&user=137099
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=363625&user=137099

0 reads 0 risks this game, because town has been going the wrong way, because he doesn't need to.


This reads like he is trying to justify his stance on MrZ after the fact. Instead of finding MrZ scummy and looking into him, the presenting good reasons to vote him, JX voted him, then went in search of the reasons when pressured. This strikes me as scummy.

I already pointed out how his first post feels constructed, and if that is true and he spent time on that post, why didn't he spend time backing up his vote on MrZ right from the start?




I missed out yours earlier

On December 16 2012 05:17 Hapahauli wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

Also, you called us (myself, DP, perhaps some others) all town. That's a problem.


That last post of yours made absolutely no sense

what the hell?

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thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 11:42 GMT
#572
but who knows, perhaps some lurker will die instead
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
JieXian
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Malaysia4677 Posts
December 16 2012 11:45 GMT
#573
On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc


Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2012 11:47 GMT
#574
On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it


He is contributing something even if it is his own defense. I would rather sit on him for a bit and try and get a real solid read on him which would be easy if he continues to contribute as he has done.

Meanwhile there are 4 lurkers doing nothing at all.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 11:47 GMT
#575
On December 16 2012 20:45 JieXian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 20:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
frustrating, uncooperative, etc


Your inference is based on the assumption/information that he's townie


lol you should have just called it a scum slip if that's what you're trying to imply

my read on zentor is still null.
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
December 16 2012 11:49 GMT
#576
On December 16 2012 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it


He is contributing something even if it is his own defense. I would rather sit on him for a bit and try and get a real solid read on him which would be easy if he continues to contribute as he has done.

Meanwhile there are 4 lurkers doing nothing at all.


the problem with that is there's nobody else among the "active" players I'd rather lynch instead. so I see a J lynch or a lurker lynch as our only options

why are you having hesitations?
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2012 12:04 GMT
#577
On December 16 2012 20:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it


He is contributing something even if it is his own defense. I would rather sit on him for a bit and try and get a real solid read on him which would be easy if he continues to contribute as he has done.

Meanwhile there are 4 lurkers doing nothing at all.


the problem with that is there's nobody else among the "active" players I'd rather lynch instead. so I see a J lynch or a lurker lynch as our only options

why are you having hesitations?


My vote was a pressure vote. And I don't like his lynch for a couple of reasons. Firstly the initial bandwagon came up on him very easily with no resistance whatsoever which makes me think scum may have been on it. Secondly, his response to the case since he actually got in the thread seem townie enough for me to hesitate.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 16 2012 12:05 GMT
#578
On December 16 2012 17:49 Hapahauli wrote:
Since you didn't answer this before - it sounds like this isn't your first game... what experience you have playing mafia? Haven't seen you around here before.

Also, I'm particularly interested in hearing your reads on Drazak, kush, and Djodref. Though I won't read 'em until tomorrow since I'm going to bed.

Have played it mostly irl, and a couple of times on other forums.
Now Drazak has been weird, you could say he's inactive or you could say he's playing lurky mafia game. Either way its hard to get a proper read on him.
Kush raises very light suspicion for me, his posts seem a bit inconsistent...
My read on Djo is null but its leaning towards townie.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
December 16 2012 12:05 GMT
#579
##unvote

##vote: Drazak


you keep promising things that you don;t deliver. Deliver.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
December 16 2012 12:06 GMT
#580
On December 16 2012 21:04 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2012 20:49 thrawn2112 wrote:
On December 16 2012 20:47 DarthPunk wrote:
On December 16 2012 20:41 thrawn2112 wrote:
i still really really like it


He is contributing something even if it is his own defense. I would rather sit on him for a bit and try and get a real solid read on him which would be easy if he continues to contribute as he has done.

Meanwhile there are 4 lurkers doing nothing at all.


the problem with that is there's nobody else among the "active" players I'd rather lynch instead. so I see a J lynch or a lurker lynch as our only options

why are you having hesitations?


My vote was a pressure vote. And I don't like his lynch for a couple of reasons. Firstly the initial bandwagon came up on him very easily with no resistance whatsoever which makes me think scum may have been on it. Secondly, his response to the case since he actually got in the thread seem townie enough for me to hesitate.

Agreed, i have a feeling mafia is pushing for a mislynch here.
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