The stakes were lower D2 than D1. Still doesn't make not consolidating a good choice because now we lose a town member basically for free because we don't even get any information from a mislynch.

At least the N1 NK of our Doc was offset by our lynch of Oats. If mafia plays the way I think they would in this scenario, we gain very little information this cycle.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 09 2012 07:09 GMT

#1138

On December 09 2012 11:13 Sylencia wrote:

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Just woke up, got to go in about 10 minutes, so I'll just quickly say:

I already mentioned how Rad is not scum (in my eyes). I am not going to vote for someone who I can see as town, just because others are voting for them.

So you would rather waste your vote on someone not going to get lynched without any real input on the matter, huh?

If you're going to be inactive you might as well sheep the strong townies because going against them in a majority lynch system is too detrimental.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 09 2012 07:36 GMT

#1139

So if you can't tell, I am of the opinion that it was in scum's best interest to get a no lynch today to deny us any real information about the alignment of any player they do not hand pick to NK. If Rad is scum obviously this was a fortuitous turn of events for him, but if he is town then scum wanted to deny us that certainty so they decided to keep the lynch from happening.

So my FoS is on Syl, Arn, and Axle. There exists the distinct possibility that Axle is scum, though proving so is difficult. Syl voted for jidol for basically no reason except that he was lurking. In hindsight, I think the vote looks incredibly stupid because I have a pretty decent town read on jidol at the moment, and despite his low post count haven't had a scum read on him all game.

Arn is campaigning against me, something I see as foolhardy. Believe me, you have the wrong idea if you think my play D2 is scummy at all. I sheep the towniest player in the game in a majority lynch on a player who was strongly associated with the scum we lynched day 1 and somehow that is scum play? There are some holes in that logic.

Both of you guys had the same logic in your refusal to consolidate. Your reason for doubting Rad's scumminess (because it is the same fucking reason I posted and threw out), is a WIFOM argument that scum wouldn't double team a town player early on. This argument fails to take into account the possibility of them thinking it had a strong chance to succeed based on people's suspicion of kick's play in regards to me. Any repercussions day 2 from his mislynch could have been redirected to the other people on his wagon. Regardless, if that is your only reason for not voting him, you should reconsider why it is that he is being cast into the spotlight in the first place, which is his continually questionable play up to this point. After the failed wagon on Kick, he has done basically nothing the whole game.

Now if you HONESTLY doubt Rad's guilt, you guys should do something productive for town. Push your reads on players. Make your suspicions known so that you can get some reactions and information. I have done this all game. Right now I lay blame at both your feet for the lack of any new information D2 because neither of you seem very involved in this game. I guarantee you will get lynched if you don't change that.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 09 2012 21:04 GMT

#1141

No one else has any thoughts? Seriously?

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 01:09 GMT

#1152

Can't say that was surprising. No longer unexpected NK to throw some more WIFOM on us, scum team?

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 01:18 GMT

#1157

##Vote Arnarnion

Because scummy actions day 1 and day 2 at lynch. 2 confirmed town both suspicious of you before their NK. Do something that makes me think you're not scum.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 01:42 GMT

#1160

I have grown a healthy distaste for general read posts.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 01:52 GMT

#1162

Why focus on this gimmicky plan instead of actually scum hunting?

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 07:14 GMT

#1176

I will answer that in the morning, Axle, in six hours or so

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 13:40 GMT

#1182

I am hostile. I don't trust any of you but Jidol at the moment and all of you lurk a lot and don't ever push your reads.

if you disagree come up with a better target with a more convincing case. if you can't do that and you still disagree you are hurting town's chances by causing no lynches which are bad trades because we 100% lose a town player every night.

when I get home from this hell I call work I will make my case on Arn. You're free to disagree but you better do something productive then.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 13:50 GMT

#1183

Hell Axle is better than you, Rad, and Arn combined in the past two days. I may have been a dick to him day 1/night 1 but I think he has his shit together right now.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 14:00 GMT

#1185

Axle

What about your conversation with Oats do you wish to talk about?

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 14:08 GMT

#1189

Yes. I remember thinking that a lot of the back and forth between the two of you was unnecessary because of how unclear your posting was.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 14:13 GMT

#1192

No I'm saying that you were unclear as to who you were talking to and talking about. several times oats responded to posts you made that were referencing another person. Also you talked about the last NMM a lot which made it more confusing.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 14:37 GMT

#1201

You were trying to get him to answer why he would make other people do things if he was town. You wanted him to point out his own contradictory play but he never did.

yamato77

11589 Posts

December 10 2012 14:44 GMT

#1205

Because it was going nowhere. He could not understand you or at least acted like he couldn't and I tried to make your posting more effective by pointing out what he kept getting confused by.