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This was my first post. (see below)
Clearly I did not write it in short amount of time.
Clearly it formed part of a longer term plan.
ba bow (ish) (not true) {you guys have term for this is it WIFOM ??}
Being clever I could prepare many of these in advance and then at the last minute select from a range.
So it was (provably?) only my plan for one game.
But I did post it at the start and make large commitment to the plan for this game.
The time spent making it is also a commitment to the plan.
I can explain the evolutionary biology of kin selection and how it evolves altruism out of
a survival of the fittest algorithm if you like, that would take a while...
most would drift off to sleep. See Matt Ridley or "readings in socio biology"
(and less so?)"selfish gene"
I can no longer pretend I am silly.m
That damn thing is so full of easter eggs that range from
C&C << A newnet admin thing
// c++ programming
memory of specific wording from the obs or somewhere about the dark night.
awareness of the spotlight.
awareness of the timing of an entrance as it on cue.
The visuals, making fun of oneself, showing a checking of ego at the door.
and just in case you dont notice that
falls on face (a ref to my real entry here?)
beached whale, yet more laughing at self.
Then FOS everyone.
Answering the question I have not yet but will be asked about scum reads
In the beginning every one else who is playing, and by my count,
there are 9 players(inc me) (assuming they are all individual distinct humans)
there is the coach, he is probably playing too
and finally there is the host, (but that is the conclusion)
but do note I suspect the host of the game until there was evidence.
and a lego chocolate cake is evidence of intention.
not proof just evidence
So he became my top read.
If he is town, and not lying to me, then I am also town.
(It was I previously supposed possible I was mafia and the PM had lied.... )
QUOTE]On December 04 2012 10:29 AxleGreaser wrote:
pocorn mode on
lolcat <= a C&C warning
// mafia needs has and moreover deserves visuals
{on cue}{Enters stage right}{runs into the spotlight}
{leaps in the air and pirouettes}
{lands delicately on one foot, falls flat on face}
{rolls around on floor like a beached whale}
{struggles in an ungainly manner to feet}
{spins around , fingers spread wide}
“#*#Fos everyone in the Room, yer all scum!”
{pauses, gears turn, looks carefully at fingers, notices a spare one, looks skyward}
“#*#Fos the host too, yer all scum, until evidence of intention proves otherwise!”
Thinks<I like Lego House and I like chocolate.>
<so obviously simple logic proves a chocolate Lego house must be double yummy!>
“#*#unFos host yer now my top read from beginning to the very end!.”
Thinks so if what you say is true... in this game Roles... then
{Rechecks PM.}
“#*#unFos me I know know 100% what I am. Now you will too.”
A valid Association case first post day 1 !rulez.
end Lolcat
popcorn mode off.
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If someone I regard as important states the need for me to put the xxxxx in explicitly I will,
I should not have to as I am fairly sure you know.
but if you do that you are making assurances about where that data goes.
I have used my skills and reads on people enough to form the conclusion that everything I found suspicious about anyone being scum, was misdirection.
The players on this forum who are good had serious precision in their language.
I am now going to turn to consider the game setup posts.
Why those?
I think it time to re-evaluate, my position on the host.
His good intentions were evidenced by
A nice chocolate, cake reminiscent of the one my xxxxxx posted about
during newbie mafia XXXI which he said was truely delicious.
(actually i have never verified, he xxxxxx linked to prinzengenten torte
he just told me he did, I never clicked on that if I recall correctly.
)
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This bit is flat out paranoia. (hence optional)
(Ahhh thats how the bloody lights may have gone on)
There exist people that know that cake in the RL is tied to my family.
either that or I am wrong, but it would explain lots of stuff.
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How the host of game acts and plans things is much more greatly constrained that any of the players in it.
You player guys can do any shit you want, then change your mind and say it was the plan to
fool/enrage/frustrate X. The option are kind of large, and as claimed I have not played mafia.
{I keep getting worried every time I say that. As I have played shitload of things in my life.
I have certainly not played mafia in at least 10...20...? years). So if someone is sitting on some claim
I have drop it on the table, pls? }
Indeed all that recent faff I regard as evidence you are worried I getting close to rumbling the plan
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This bit is flat out paranoia. (hence optional)
Although as mentioned I do think i discussed it very long time ago.
I though it was in the 90's
I have since realised it may have been as far back as the late 70's
I think the person I discussed it with may have had a friend named cheetah.
(no that is not a pun on cheater, it was just the guys name)
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The host of game however is bound by all sorts of mathematics to make a game mechanic that works.
It is bit tricky as they don't answer many questions in game, and usually only briefly.
and I think I am probably just better of
reading all the rule really carefully and commenting on those.
So if this, post is visible outside, you may really want to say no dont do that before I get back with my cup of coffee.
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oh we are back at fos HOST (its only a little fos, be calm)
I never really said why hosts are constrained.
Hosts want players to play in their game setups. The setups take time and effort and rewarded by the people who play them having fun. Hosts really ought be townies. Host that make game setup as for the purpose of annoying people would I suspect rapidly evolve out of existence. But I could be wrong.
Do notice that I am using the word townie on the host to refer to their RL personality and moral framework.
The other weird thing i have noticed about the game in general is the performance art aspect of it. Hence the obs?
Anyway the host being thus constrained to make game fair also understands the concept of a solvable puzzle.
here is my favorite example 31 41 5? What the next digit? Ok now what the second most obvious answer?
The next digit can be a 1 or a 9 and still fit the pattern. There were insufficient cross checks.
Actually there are always insufficient cross checks, but the fair puzzles have one neater small round solution.
Hence probably why there are literally clues everywhere.
IF you open the spoiler it may spoil where I am going but I hope you already know.
+ Show Spoiler +
I found ponies hip hop meat and even various, mine craft, and most importantly lots of end game boss fight scenarios.
That is why i was so frickin tired, I had read the internet recently. Thus I am fairly sure I know how it is meant to end.
I have lost where, but somewhere else I read about being able to exit by one of two doors?
Anyway, if this a game and I am meant to have fun in because the host wants me to come back, then there had better be a solution where I can win.
So as player I like the pro town approach, lynch all liars, lynch lurkers end of the spectrum. I can now having played a bit see that this might too actually break the game  but I cant be sure of that. It is a concern I have.
AT one point the game signups said there were 13 spots. For 9 players.
It has been fixed.
The game specific rules said "There are (no) clues."
I find that peculiar as there are actually clues everywhere.
I imagine that is why the (no) is in some sense highlighted.
as are the
"There are no [red]3rd Party Planer Dragons{/red] in this game. Probably."
Do note that as they only probably are not in this game it is also possible that they are.
I have rather strong suspicion that there are indeed 3rd party planar dragons in this game
I even thought that before I did /in
I considered it possible there would be dragons in this XXXII game before I made my very very first post.
What I didn't want to do was spend another week screaming no at the screen, but this time having to interact as well without making it worse. That would have been bad karma. One option was to simply walk away but I really really wanted to play. Hence I bet the farm on stamping my foot loudly and attracting attention.
The setup is a "Possible Setup"
It certainly does appear to be a setup.
I wonder if i am supposed to rage or rage quit. Well if this is place where that is desirable I would not want to be here anyway. I can imagine a lot of souls would exit this setup that way.
{oopsies note: I am typing and reading this carefully but occasionally I do fsk up and leave out a 'not' when I type and proof read. Sorry That red one was one I nearly missed.}
For simplicities sake what possible setups exist if there are only townies and goons in the game.
In that case there are 2^9 possible setups. Of those which is the one I deserve. 9 Townies.
In a 9 townie game we all keep trying to play more and more and more pro town and leave the not there goons looking guilty.
So far in this game I only get town reads on everyone.
I also only get strong player reads on everyone, although some people at some time read lower.
As it is possible in my view there are only townies in this game.
And as a townie I don't want to mislynch a townie
what I want to do is vote nolynch
but I dont see that as being in the rules or not.
If I am correct we wont lynch anyone and the mafia wont night kill anyone either
So the townest thing I can will be to vote no lynch.
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Am I allowed to ##Vote Nolynch?
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On December 05 2012 13:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
"I had read the internet recently."
I'm sorry that was so funny. Am I drunk?
No but the amount places i went and read things follwing clues and kept winding up reading the same things in at least an allegorical sense was simply amazing. SOOOOOOOOO MUCCCCCCCH WORK
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On December 05 2012 13:41 Kickstart wrote:
Axle a no lynch has no effect on night actions, scum can still target someone for a NK. And can you please stop whatever charade you are on about talking about the host and the game setup and all this other nonsense and talk about the game. What gives?
The scum if they are present in the game certainly can target townies. But only if the ere any scum in this game.
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On December 05 2012 13:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Fuck this shit is funny axle.
Thanks for making me laugh out loud in class, now everyone is looking at me :/
I am trying to have fun.
I think it would be funniest if we were playing in game at the moment that had no scum in it at all.
And as my read on everyone is town. That is the most likely possible setup.
I have not really thought it through, but i am pretty me starting a wagon on no lynch is just about the strongest possible proof that i am town and that is my best read of where we are at.
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If and when the host responds to my query I will formally cast my vote.
Up until then My case is that if you are town and like me you believe you have reads that everyone else in this game is town then you too should vote no lynch.
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Host can I vote for a no lynch today?
I dont see that option in the rules
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ooops: My very Humblest apologies, that fos on the host was only because I was analyzing his motives in the game setup.
unfos host
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##VOTE NOLYNCH
Axlegreaser <3 <3 <3 Host
Axlegreaser think dragons are imba
Axlegreaser think Axlegreaser is kimba
BTW I still believe there is one more magic button thing to do before it rains.....
Does any player wish to say anything before I do that?
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BTW for N Dragons in this game where N is actually a number I am uncertain of
Voting no lynch today does have real ramifications for how I act in 'town'
The problem was I didn't know how much free for all there was.
Hence any problem that was going happen I could not let it happen in game.
Also this particular setup (and i dont mean the no scum one proposed) but with the fixed
number of special roles also was enough, if I had seen it first, even another serial killer
would not have mattered. (no offense)
Anyway as there are only N planar dragons this will take as long as it takes to rid town of filth.
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BTW READ all the words this is not the standard puzzle
This puzzle kind of reminds me of the doctor who puzzle where there are two guards at two doors.
1 guard always lies 1 guard always tell the truth.
1 door leads to eternal damnation the other 1 to everlasting life.
In the original it is what question do you ask a gaurd? and then you do the opposite.
What about if the problem is stated that you must ask for advice then carry it out?
What one question do you ask? and then take the door you are told to?
popcorn mode engaged
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I was through the thread reading our conversations yesterday
I quized you fairly hard on some things and that was because I was unsure at what level
you can think the game through. I made some progress on that.
Did I distract you from asking these questions of me?
You appear to have dropped them?
Are they now unimportant?
On December 04 2012 21:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Why are you thinking about the game that is already over?
Why do you talk like this??
Just casually say stuff, if it doesn't sound natural please don't post it :D
Q1/ Q2/
As I have no meta, it is easy to mistake what I do.
In the same way I wanted to understand how you think about the game, so I can tell if you do something anti town while knowing it is anti town.
Thus I am thinking in this game a good pro town thing for me to do voluntarily do is to state my analysis of a previous case where the outcome is known, but my reasoning suggested a different course of action to how the game went down.
Q3/
"Just casually say stuff, if it doesnt sound natural please dont post it :D"
I notice the :D at the end, but just casually saying stuff, makes noise.
Isn't noise good for scum?
So was there any other part of your questioning you wished to pursue?
I expect to have more question regarding what we discussed yesterday as a number of interesting things happened during that discussion.
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EBWOP Must remember to say who I am addressing at the top
@OATSMASTER
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@OATSMASTER
I have not noticed, who voted for me when. I will check if I get time.
I feel pressured by questions about my real intentions not my current apparent popularity.
People voting for me because I posted some big things which you/they either read or ignore
but thus I did not engage with, thus not distract other peoples scum hunting, does seem odd.
I can see some people didn't like it.
I would vote for scum if and when I find them, otherwise I will do as I have done. and ##VOTE NoLynch
Doing that is a very bold move for scum to make. It is even I believe a bold move for town to make.
I am glad you were trying to help.
Do you now see why I did what I did?
Did my explanations satisfy you?
You also appear to have missed this question.
Q3/
"Just casually say stuff, if it doesnt sound natural please dont post it :D"
I notice the :D at the end, but just casually saying stuff, makes noise.
Isn't noise good for scum?
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On December 05 2012 18:57 AxleGreaser wrote:
@OATSMASTER
You also appear to have missed this question.
Q3/
"Just casually say stuff, if it doesnt sound natural please dont post it :D"
I notice the :D at the end, but just casually saying stuff, makes noise.
Isn't noise good for scum?
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@OatsMaster
On December 05 2012 19:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yes noise is good for scum,
Ta for answering, did you miss me asking the question the first time?
I meant dont post things that sound unnatural like if you were reading the words out it will sound odd.
Casually like if you were with a group of friends,
I am possibly not with a group of friends, which is why I am being analytical.
not like a school or work presentation. I hope that clarifies things
It does, and i am sorry if it makes you feel uneasy, but this how I talk.
I assure you that there wont be time in game probably, but if you go and read what I said
earlier very carefully you will find that my intentions were very clear.
I won't WIFOM by repeating them here.
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EBWOP
[QUOTE]On December 05 2012 20:40 AxleGreaser wrote:
@OatsMaster
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I am possibly not with a group of friends, which is why I am being analytical.
oops, obviously we are playing friendly game, its our PM roles that may not be friends.
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