just to point out one more thing in clarity's townie book, everyone already thought he was town, the scum team probably wouldn't have wasted a claim any scum can claim on him to buy him credit, as he was already very safe. So he's town.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 15 2012 20:45 GMT

#1960

On December 16 2012 05:44 Z-BosoN wrote:
Palmar, any thoughts on my reads?

you somehow have leaning scum on me so you're clearly an idiot and thus not worth reading.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 15 2012 23:53 GMT

#1973

Alright. just a few notes for the future.

Marv really wanted this Tunkeg lynch, which was quite bad yet he pushed it hard. Don't do anything about it yet but do NOT listen to any of his reads over what I have already stated should I die tonight. He is quite possibly scum, but there's not nearly enough evidence for it yet. If marv tries to push alternative lynches to what I have said, he might be scum.

Vivix is extremely disruptive to the thread, he's annoying, loud and wrong a lot. he's basically blatantly pushing mafia agenda. I don't know him, so maybe he's just an overconfident asshole, but you should know that whatever he's doing right now seems to favor the mafia pretty heavily.

Bluelightz seems pretty townie to may. Do not let him get lynched tomorrow, there is absolutely no reason he should be. I was right on the Tunkeg lynch, and this is another case of me just not seeing the scum everyone is yelling about in him.

Z-boson's latest post looked fairly townie to me. Even if I haven't spent much time on him this game I would probably not consider lynching him any time soon.

As I've stated multiple times, Clarity is almost certainly town. There is no reason to even consider lynching him in the near future.

Grush is kinda on the edge, but given that you guys must flip djodref, maybe you can get a read on him from that.

I'll post about the rest of the players later.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 16 2012 00:17 GMT

#1974

VisceraEyes cannot be anything but scum at this point. If this is his new town game, I hate it, because the VE I knew and loved was loud, didn't take shit, took random leads and stabs at people. This chilled back non-active VE is either his scum play, or some shitty ridiculous new town meta.

Djodref is almost certainly scum, the resistance to his wagon on day 2 was just ridiculous for someone who got caught lying like a retard. I have zero understanding of why anyone who is town would even consider not lynching him. It's strictly the wrong play not to kill him. He must be killed or this game is lost.

Jaybrundage has very little to defend him, but there's just so many people that need much more attention than him in this game. He could very well be scum, but after killing VE and Djodref you guys should have a clearer picture to look at. don't let scum push this false wagon.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 16 2012 00:37 GMT

#1978

VE may be a better 1st lynch than djodref

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 16 2012 00:40 GMT

#1980

Due to the how certain it is he's scum.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 16 2012 00:53 GMT

#1988

actually the clarity scum thing is pretty reasonable. But backwards engineering mafia powerplays is impossible to do when we have people who need to hang based on the fact they've lied, or are doing something super scummy.

It's not impossible that mafia saw the advantage of taking a shot at bugs who I was pushing very heavily to confirm one of their own as town, but it's too difficult to chase this storyline until we clear out the people who should obviously be killed. (djodref/VE for now).

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 24 2012 23:45 GMT

#3289

The Jay and Tunkeg lynches were awful. We had a bunch of townies who knew they weren't scum but we still allowed it to happen.

It's what I get for lacking confidence in my reads since I haven't been active for a long time.

Town really should have lynched marv on day 4. Marv is a top player and those should be aggressively interrogated and lynched beyond days 1-2. You guys are way too afraid of pushing big names. We're big boys, we can take care of ourselves.

I really want to know where this town thing of just randomly defending people for no reason at all (djodref, vivax both defended adam on day 1) comes from. If the target is town, wouldn't they usually be capable of defending themselves? There is obviously nothing wrong with defending townies if you're certain in your reads, but damn, you really have to be.

I didn't play well myself this game, I got caught up in playing as I wanted the game to be, instead of how it is.

I gotta say though, mostly I'm fairly impressed by the amount of work people are putting in these days. Almost everyone is participating in the games and being useful.

Palmar

Iceland22633 Posts

December 24 2012 23:58 GMT

#3293

On December 25 2012 08:53 Clarity_nl wrote:
I sheeped your bugs read and that didn't work out too well :p It's probably why you didn't get sheeped when you said tunkeg was town.

I would have jumped at the chance to lynch jay if I were still alive, even now in post game I find it hard to see what made him town, other than the fact that he didn't really push a scum agenda (other than the thrawn obsession stuff)

I don't know, I never thought jay was scum once I realized Adam was. Not sure what it was, the guy just didn't look like someone who is scum.

And honestly, I meant to push bugs the day after, but I want to go through the whole process of interrogating players. Try to vigi shitty lurkers and other trash, don't vig into active people.