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Actually Clarity, look back on a few things about Bluelightz:
He defended debears in the Adam/BL exchange.
He made this post quite early:
On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:On Adam, Show nested quote +On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo
The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange?
The timing of his vote on Adam is very important here too:
BL was the fourth person to cast a vote on Adam. At the time Tunkeg lead with 4 votes, and Adam/Jay were tied at 3. If BL is scum it must have been a designed bus from that point on. There was no need for BL to step on the Adam wagon if he was scum right there.
In fact, I would argue his vote starts the swing to an Adam lynch.
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I request everyone who is voting BL to move their votes somewhere else, he should not be a candidate for today's lynch.
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On December 15 2012 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
LAWL
Oh man, selective humbleness. Palmar you're a treasure.
Hi, you're such a scum aren't you? 
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On December 15 2012 01:02 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 01:01 Palmar wrote:On December 15 2012 01:00 VisceraEyes wrote:
LAWL
Oh man, selective humbleness. Palmar you're a treasure. Hi, you're such a scum aren't you? Then why the fuck aren't you voting him?
Can't prove it/not sure. He has a few things that look kinda towny. But he's in the shit tier for now.
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If people are wondering how I'm working atm I've got like these almost certainly townies:
thrawn, clarity, bluelightz
these probably/maybe townies
marv, jay, grush
these hmm pfff hmm (need to read more on them all)
tunkeg, Z-bos, hapa
these shit tier people
VE, Vivax, Djodref
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On December 15 2012 01:07 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 00:58 Palmar wrote:Actually Clarity, look back on a few things about Bluelightz: He defended debears in the Adam/BL exchange. He made this post quite early: On December 11 2012 21:58 Bluelightz wrote:On Adam, On December 10 2012 13:07 Adam4167 wrote:In fact, why are you not voting me dabears? On December 10 2012 11:43 debears wrote:
@Djo
The person that I don't like so far is adam. I would arguably say he has been just as, if not more, aggressive with you on thrawn. Yet, he hasn't voted him. He implied heavily that thrawn was scum, yet doesn't think he's scummy when asked directly. Furthermore, he keeps hard questioning thrawn on a response that thrawn basically said he wouldn't say (even though it seems to me that he was joking) even though he said he doesn't think thrawn is scum.
His reaction is feeling very forced You say you don't like me (I assume this means you think i'm scum?), you find my lack of vote strange and that my reactions feel forced. Why make a case like this if you aren't going to follow it with a vote? ##Vote: dabears This caught my eye in Adam's filter, someone says "Oh Adam might be scum" he went into insta defensive mode, then he didn't address the accusation but only followed up with a counter vote. Seems strange? The timing of his vote on Adam is very important here too: BL was the fourth person to cast a vote on Adam. At the time Tunkeg lead with 4 votes, and Adam/Jay were tied at 3. If BL is scum it must have been a designed bus from that point on. There was no need for BL to step on the Adam wagon if he was scum right there. In fact, I would argue his vote starts the swing to an Adam lynch. I've addressed it in my case. That first post on Adam is like all his other commentary at the start of the game. "Oh, this is weird", "oh, that is strange!" Then when he has to leave and won't be back before lynch he parks his vote on Adam (which is the best decision scumwise. You won't be around to defend him so this is either a bus or a clever vote depending on if Adam gets lynched) He votes for Adam and then he throws in "Palmar's case and my own reasons". I had to ask him for his reasons and he quoted his own post, the very post that you just showed me. Give me a break.
I'm not going with a bluelightz case now. My recent re-read has completely changed my read on him.
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Right we need to talk about this tunkeg thing. I finally read his filter, and to be perfectly honest, I don't see myself getting behind a lynch on him. Can someone tell me what are the pillars of the case against him?
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On December 15 2012 01:11 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 01:07 Palmar wrote:
If people are wondering how I'm working atm I've got like these almost certainly townies:
thrawn, clarity, bluelightz
these probably/maybe townies
marv, jay, grush
these hmm pfff hmm (need to read more on them all)
tunkeg, Z-bos, hapa
these shit tier people
VE, Vivax, Djodref Why is grush probably town and why is hapa null? I don't agree with BL town but I'll consolidate for now and revisit it tomorrow. ##Unvote
Hapa is null because of Munk-E's play on day 1, he kinda looks towny now on day 2. I also need to read him better. Grush's filter was a quick read but he doesn't look like scum at the moment.
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On December 15 2012 01:15 Vivax wrote:
I'd expect you to be a bit more enthusiastic considering I've been pushing exactly these two all the time.
We've already established your opinion isn't worth much.
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On December 15 2012 01:16 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 01:14 Palmar wrote:
Right we need to talk about this tunkeg thing. I finally read his filter, and to be perfectly honest, I don't see myself getting behind a lynch on him. Can someone tell me what are the pillars of the case against him? Why don't you just read what I wrote? :/ Counterquestion for you: Is Vivax only in your shit-list because of how he attacked the Adam case? Is Tunkeg not in your shit-list because he didn't?
Vivax probably yeah, I just don't like people calling me shit when I'm right.
Tunkeg no. There's a couple of things that caught my eye. In fact, you voted Tunkeg on day 1, and bugs/djodref used a part of that post as a case against tunkeg after this post:
On December 11 2012 04:23 Tunkeg wrote:
So I have skimmed through the thread. And these are my thoughts:
Thrawn's "claim" is a joke claim. He did it in the very beginning, and quickly and without concern went back on it. I didn't like his response when called out on it. But when he in the end explained why he did as he did, it was an ok (no more, no less) explanation. I truly think people read to much into stuff like this, and overfocuses on it. I have many times made posts early that people have labeled stupid, with them voting for me and almost misslynching me (mainly because they didn't get my logic behind doing them, even after I explained it). I don't think the millar "claim" is anything worth spending much time analysing, but I would say that I find it more likely that a townie would do this.
I like Clarity's post on jaybrundage. I think jaybrundage's posts are very non-commiting, and very fluffy. I have played games with jaybrundage before, and I may be wrong, but I think his style resembles what he did in Student, where he was scum. A very wishy-washy style, where he eventually did some major slips.
I am also abit concerned about Djodref, I think he is posting alot, but his posts are very fluffy. I haven't played with him before, is this his style or?
However I found myself on the other side after reading that post. I'm a big fan of his approach to the thrawn claim and how he doesn't consider it worth much analysis. At the time I also like clarity's case.
I also liked this response:
On December 11 2012 07:41 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2012 07:36 Clarity_nl wrote:
Tunkeg how about you go do some actual scumhunting. How about you let me scumhunt the way I want to? There is plenty of spammers in this game, who have posted alot of nonsense. I will post when I feel I have something to post, I will not be sitting here nitpicking and twisting the words of every other post.
Because at the time he considered Clarity town, which he later confirmed in his big "pseudo-martyr" post.
These posts I'm not sure about, but I don't think they're scummy at all, it's basically a list of his "defense"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204420
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204519
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204595
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17204625
I don't think Bugs's point that Tunkeg is treating him like town is valid.
I also kinda liked his martyr post.
I'm not ready to say he's conclusively town, and so many people calling him scum gives me certain pause, but those a are a few examples of the things that make me thing he's probably not scum.
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I need to leave soon and I won't have much more time tonight, so I need to make my decision fairly soon.
herp derp herp derp, not sure what do.
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On December 15 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
Your first quote about the thrawn thing: especially at that stage of the thread it was really easy to 'look good' with the approach to thrawn. I'd already basically dismissed the thrawn issue and if my memory serves, so had you. What you point out just seems so... default.
The second quote is just him being pissy. Taking on Clarity at that point would have been completely anti-productive from either a town or a scum perspective.
Why are you seeing town in these??
I don't know, they just don't fit how I'd expect scum to play.
I'm also guilty of trying to understand what happened there on day 1. What the hell was the scum team doing? Did they try to counterwagon? if so tunkeg's hardly scum. Did they autobus adam? Why did they let adam get killed over tunkeg then? both were scum anyway.
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On December 15 2012 01:33 Vivax wrote:
I'll lynch VE, BL or jay.
Btw Palmar, I secretly love you.
Why not Tunk or Djodref?
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Not to mention I don't think Jay or BL are going to get lynched today.
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On December 15 2012 01:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 01:34 Palmar wrote:On December 15 2012 01:31 marvellosity wrote:
Your first quote about the thrawn thing: especially at that stage of the thread it was really easy to 'look good' with the approach to thrawn. I'd already basically dismissed the thrawn issue and if my memory serves, so had you. What you point out just seems so... default.
The second quote is just him being pissy. Taking on Clarity at that point would have been completely anti-productive from either a town or a scum perspective.
Why are you seeing town in these?? I don't know, they just don't fit how I'd expect scum to play. I'm also guilty of trying to understand what happened there on day 1. What the hell was the scum team doing? Did they try to counterwagon? if so tunkeg's hardly scum. Did they autobus adam? Why did they let adam get killed over tunkeg then? both were scum anyway. You're not the only one who thought about it. I didn't come to satisfactory conclusions on that exact same question. I speculated that jaybrundage was supposed to be the scum wagon (on a townie) that day but due to inactivity, or inability to push it properly, it fizzled out and ended up on Adam and Tunkeg. Then if Tunkeg is scum, it's obviously best play for him to crucify Adam in his martyr post.
This is a good point and once again I visited the filter. It's interesting that Tunkeg didn't even mention Adam until the martyr post.
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Well it's strange to go from nothing to scum with no questioning or anything beforehand.
you know what. I might just run with this. I won't be around to herd the sheep anyway for tonight.
##Vote Tunkeg
This is your push now marv. Don't let BL a stupid wagon take off. Let's see what Tunkeg has to hide. The correct play is still to lynch Djodref. but whatever.
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On December 15 2012 01:45 marvellosity wrote:
This is actually quite irritating because I tihnk we both have good reasons to be pushing our respective targets (djo/tunkeg) but one of us feels more strongly on the other and I don't know how we reconcile it.
Yeah, I can't be here to push my target, so with this latest information I hadn't noticed about Tunkeg's interactions with Adam, I'm sorta okay with heading for your wagon, it also helps I know bugs genuinely thought Tunkeg was scum.
So let's do it, I'll wait my turn for when I can be here.
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It's so nice seeing everyone holding hands to lynch tunkeg.
probability of him flipping scum: relatively small.
whatever, I still can't push the djodref thing tonight.
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On December 15 2012 07:51 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2012 07:46 Palmar wrote:
It's so nice seeing everyone holding hands to lynch tunkeg.
probability of him flipping scum: relatively small.
whatever, I still can't push the djodref thing tonight. what were you expecting when we both agreed on a lynch? You think Tunkeg's responses today have been townie?
Am I trying to stop the lynch? He's being an asshole and not worth saving. That doesn't mean I'm convinced he's scum. But to be fair, he very well could be, especially in light of my realization he judged Adam with no interaction or previous mention of Adam at all, which looks very bad.
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ugh
I don't really expect to live till tomorrow please please listen to me the next time. This is very annoying.
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