Paranoia Mafia - Page 65

On December 04 2012 11:35 austinmcc wrote:
Considering. I've been wavering on WBG, but for different reasons. Not sure if I want to lynch him today or no.

My worries about him actually come from the spat he had with marv N1. We know marv was town. We know marv was the N1 kill. Heck, MARV should have known he'd be the N1 kill, because he knew his claim was true.

Look at his N1. He may have expected a doc, but didn't say anything like that. He was mostly silent. Porque? Porque does a good scumhunter who is town NOT put down a lot of N1 thoughts?

* DRAMATIC NOISE * BECAUSE OF WBG. From the very start of the night, marv and WBG got into their little shitfest. I know I've seen both get frustrated/pissy/whatever before, but...it's still curious to me because of - Movie Star Mini Mafia.

• WBG hosted Movie Star
• Marv played in Movie Star
• One of the defining bits of movie star was a MASSIVE shitfight between VE and marv
• Both were town, and both were useless for a good chunk of a cycle because they just kept sniping at each other
• WBG knows that marvel can get thrown off track if you just keep yelling at him

If I were scum in this game, and I knew marv's claim was legit, and was going to make him the N1 kill...I'd do my best to neutralize any scum-hunting he was going to contribute, because we're going to know he's town and can take it as truth.

WBG did a nice job of neutralizing Marv's scumhunting, while knowing that marv can react unproductively to constant sniping.

To some extent, this may just be a narrative that I like, but WBG is one of the players that I wouldn't put it past. I'm not sure how his stubbornness and possible ego weigh out against his knowledge that he could mess with Marv's head like that.

Keirathi, I assume you hate this post, sorry. It both follows up a target that's already being discussed AND doesn't vote. I secretly want to play BH and just post cases about all sorts of uninvolved people to try and stir crap up, but I don't have the time right now.

So uninvolved people...pretend there are a bunch of cases posted on you. OH NO. BETTER POST AND TRY TO LOOK TOWNIE.

On December 04 2012 12:27 Keirathi wrote:
Marv agreed with my read of BH.

On December 03 2012 05:19 marvellosity wrote:
BH I just don't know. I raged at him in Mario on several occasions for what I viewed as retarded plays (voting someone he just called town and calling him scum with no reason). I can see town BH tunnelling someone even when holes have been picked in his case. I don't actually know how to have a scumread on BH :/

On December 03 2012 06:14 marvellosity wrote:
uh, i like that kei

On December 03 2012 06:17 marvellosity wrote:


surprised in a good, "nicely done" way, not a "i didn't think you were capable of that" way. hush now ^^

On December 04 2012 12:25 Xatalos wrote:
Keirathi, I'm still on the fence about you. Please share your top lynch candidates and your reasons for those. And share your insight into more topics as well. A part of my read on ShiaoPi also depends on you, since I doubt he would have went after his teammate when he was pressured to make a case.

On December 04 2012 12:32 Blazinghand wrote:
Yeah I don't see that as marv saying I'm scum, I think he just had a mistaken town read on you. If marv thought I was scum I guarantee 100% he'd be unambiguous about it. He knew he was probably dead N1.

On December 03 2012 06:33 marvellosity wrote:


is that all you have to say? :x

On December 04 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:
lol keirathi can't find anyone who supports his case against me so he's making them up

On December 04 2012 12:38 Keirathi wrote:

I'm not even trying to get anyone to support my case, what the hell.

I'm trying to show why I don't think marv and WBG getting into a shitfit makes WBG scum. MARV didn't think he was scum during the shitfit. Which is directly different from the marv getting in a shitfit with Palmar in Rock Band.

On December 04 2012 12:42 austinmcc wrote:

Different, but I'm not sure if it's in a meaningful way.

I care less about what Marv may or may not have thought, and more about what WBG DID.

WBG poking and prodding Marv after hosting a game and making comments about how marv got caught up in being poked and prodded shows me that he was doing it intentionally. Regardless of how marv read WBG, I don't like the idea that town WBG is getting all over marv's case at the start of the only night he's alive, with scum probably knowing they were shooting marv that night.

On December 04 2012 12:46 Keirathi wrote:

Well you have to remember, WBG obstensibly had a scum read on marv, despite the DT claim. He was voting marv, and marv was a major pusher for the DP lynch.

Is it unreasonable for a townie with a scum read on someone who was the main proponent of a townie mislynch to argue with them during the night?

On December 04 2012 12:48 austinmcc wrote:
I think it's reasonable to suspect them. To make a case on them. To call them scum, whatever.

I actually DON'T think it's reasonable to shit up the thread like they did. Heck, if it were reasonable, there wouldn't be a big blue post from the host telling them to knock it off.

On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote:
WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.

Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why?

On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote:
WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.

Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why?

On December 04 2012 12:53 Keirathi wrote:

But you KNOW marv was town, and he participated in it just as much as WBG did.

On December 04 2012 12:56 austinmcc wrote:
You asked if it was reasonable for someone to do what WBG did.

I don't think EITHER ONE of them was being reasonable, unless WBG is mafia. There are non-mafia explanations, frustration/ego/whatever. But it's not a reasonable action to fight like that in thread UNLESS WBG is mafia. Just an unreasonable action with somewhat of an explanation.

On December 04 2012 12:59 Keirathi wrote:

That's kind of my point. It might not have been reasonable for WBG to fight with marv in thread, but it wasn't reasonable for marv to fight either. So if you know marv is town, why does it automatically make WBG scum? One townie can do it, but not two?