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(I did unvote before, but here it goes again)
##Unvote
##Vote ShiaoPi
On December 04 2012 12:32 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:25 Xatalos wrote:
Keirathi, I'm still on the fence about you. Please share your top lynch candidates and your reasons for those. And share your insight into more topics as well. A part of my read on ShiaoPi also depends on you, since I doubt he would have went after his teammate when he was pressured to make a case. Was 3 people with reasoning not enough? :o
Hmm... I think I'm giving you pass for now. Your recent activity has been good and I think I underestimated your earlier transparency. That leaves Zealos, ShiaoPi and Lazermonkey for today. At least as far as I can agree with. None of them have done much lately, so it's hard to judge the right choice, and Zealos doesn't seem like a realistic option (for stupid reasons like "VE voted for him at some point" - so??). Luckily the deadline isn't close yet.
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Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
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On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers.
But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off?
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On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off?
So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?!
Wow, amazing logic.
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Like really, think about what you are saying and realize exactly why this shit is making me rage. It's just straight up stupid. It doesn't indicate alignment in the least and you jubjubs keep running around like "oh he's scum cause he got in a fight with marv! Oh he's scum cause he didn't get in a fight with me! Oh he's scum cause X! Oh he's scum cause not X!"
It's no wonder that Ace replaced out, it's like you get dumber just by being in this game.
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On December 04 2012 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off? So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?! Wow, amazing logic. To be fair...host says you're scum.On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
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This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. Host says marv is scum too...so yeah. Completely logical.
I'm actually headed to bed, will maybe pick this back up in the morning. Also gonna note that I don't put too much faith in "both people doing same thing, marv town, therefore WBG certainly town." Again, I have a hard time believing you didn't know what you were doing, that you weren't purposefully provoking that.
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On December 04 2012 13:14 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off? So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?! Wow, amazing logic. To be fair...host says you're scum. Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
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This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. Host says marv is scum too...so yeah. Completely logical. I'm actually headed to bed, will maybe pick this back up in the morning. Also gonna note that I don't put too much faith in "both people doing same thing, marv town, therefore WBG certainly town." Again, I have a hard time believing you didn't know what you were doing, that you weren't purposefully provoking that.
I'm not saying that WBG is town because marv was town. I'm saying that WBG fighting with marv has nothing to do with WBG's alignment, imo.
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On December 04 2012 13:14 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off? So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?! Wow, amazing logic. To be fair...host says you're scum. Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
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This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. Host says marv is scum too...so yeah. Completely logical. I'm actually headed to bed, will maybe pick this back up in the morning. Also gonna note that I don't put too much faith in "both people doing same thing, marv town, therefore WBG certainly town." Again, I have a hard time believing you didn't know what you were doing, that you weren't purposefully provoking that.
LOOK AT WHAT YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE TRYING TO LINK SOMETHING THAT IS NOT EVER ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE TO....MY ALIGNMENT.
How obvious do I have to make this before you realize your logic is just bad?
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On December 04 2012 13:15 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:14 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 13:11 wherebugsgo wrote:On December 04 2012 13:10 austinmcc wrote:On December 04 2012 13:05 wherebugsgo wrote:
Please tell me what you would do when you ask someone for their explanation for why someone is scum and you get told to "fuck off". Part of the reason I called marv scum was precisely that line.
I don't care about calling him scum. Heck, BH more or less told me to fuck off around the same time period, concerning the language he'd used about DYH being a vigi. I responded by questioning him, trying to get some answers. But I didn't get into a giant pissing contest with him. I don't think I insulted him at all. Some of that is just differences in how we play the game, but are you really going to try and convince me that you and marv's little spat, that lasted ... a couple pages? and drew host comments, was just what you'd do when told to fuck off? So since we were both in on it, guess we were both scum?! Wow, amazing logic. To be fair...host says you're scum. On November 22 2012 06:53 JingleHell wrote:
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This game is a completely closed setup. Trust noone. They're all lying scum. Host says marv is scum too...so yeah. Completely logical. I'm actually headed to bed, will maybe pick this back up in the morning. Also gonna note that I don't put too much faith in "both people doing same thing, marv town, therefore WBG certainly town." Again, I have a hard time believing you didn't know what you were doing, that you weren't purposefully provoking that. I'm not saying that WBG is town because marv was town. I'm saying that WBG fighting with marv has nothing to do with WBG's alignment, imo.
That bit was specific to where I thought WBG was going.
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and as to the argument : "I assumed WBG knew what he was doing"
Well clearly, I had the right idea that DP was town. So what happens when you find yourself in a position where a player you consider to be good as town (i.e. marvellosity) starts using terrible reasoning to call one of your strongest townreads scum? You call them out on it!
The bias here is that you've already seen marv flip town. So now you have this tendency to view anyone who attacked him negatively. The simple fact is that he was dead wrong about DP and I called him out on that. When I called him out on that he lashed back in a way that I 100% thought was not townie. I would make the call to say marv is scum again and again in the same circumstances, because in my mind any townie who is on marvellosity's calibre should understand basic meta analysis and why DP was most certainly not scum.
So when we came to opposite conclusions and he was needlessly aggressive, I lashed back too! That's just how I am, given that I don't like letting scum get away with that kind of stuff.
Granted what was the worst was that I abandoned my early townread of marv to do it. If I had just assumed marv was playing worse than I thought he would be as town (not something I necessarily like doing, but in every game I join I find I have to use that option more and more) then I would have consistently been able to call him town the entire time.
So maybe I just overvalued his ability to read DP.
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On December 04 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote:
Ok, WBG I'm putting as a scumread.
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I'm actually liking a WBG lynch less as this goes on, not more.
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On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote:
WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself.
Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier?
He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me
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On December 04 2012 13:35 DoYouHas wrote:
I'm actually liking a WBG lynch less as this goes on, not more.
Well, I find BH town. I am town.
And I find WBG scummy as shit.
What does that =?
lynch WBG of coarse
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On December 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote:
WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself. Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier? He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me
I've said multiple times why I think BH is scummy. Even ignoring the roleblock thing, look at my meta case on him. BH hasn't been interacting with people, trying to get them to talk about his scum reads. He just throws a name and case out there, argues with that person, then moves on when its pertinent, and I don't think switching votes from one townie to the other at the last second, when BH's scum meta is to be trolly and 'suboptimal', makes up for that. But other people aren't buying it, so I've stopped trying to push him for now.
As for Lazer:
On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
Particularly that post gave me a townie feel. This was after his big fight with DP, and calling Zealos out. Why would scum LM then, seeing austin doing something that could be considered "scummy", engage him by trying to get him to give reads and start discussion? It would make much more sense for scum LM to just call out austin and leave it at that.
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On December 04 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote:
WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself. Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier? He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me I've said multiple times why I think BH is scummy. Even ignoring the roleblock thing, look at my meta case on him. BH hasn't been interacting with people, trying to get them to talk about his scum reads. He just throws a name and case out there, argues with that person, then moves on when its pertinent, and I don't think switching votes from one townie to the other at the last second, when BH's scum meta is to be trolly and 'suboptimal', makes up for that. But other people aren't buying it, so I've stopped trying to push him for now. As for Lazer: Show nested quote +On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
Particularly that post gave me a townie feel. This was after his big fight with DP, and calling Zealos out. Why would scum LM then, seeing austin doing something that could be considered "scummy", engage him by trying to get him to give reads and start discussion? It would make much more sense for scum LM to just call out austin and leave it at that.
Keir, this question is very important in terms of BH imo.
Why would he not keep his vote on the claimed vig last second before lynch?
Town - Not lynch a possible vig
Scum - Gain town cred by lettting the Vig live
Give town a confirmed town member after the shot
Having the vig possibly hit a scum (which, if DYH is vig, he did)
Be under pressure for lynching another townie
I just don't see scum giving town a confirmed vig like that. Now, they have to nk DYH after the lynch
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/snoring
I'm having a dream. I'm dreaming that...that DYH isn't confirmed. That there are other explanations. That if scum only has 1 KP in a 15-person game, something is wrong. I'm dreaming that...it seems there should be an SK, or more than 1 KP, etc. etc.
I'm dreaming that we need to be careful not to call out "confirmed townies," even if we're relatively sure.
/snore
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On December 04 2012 13:58 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2012 13:51 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 13:39 debears wrote:On December 04 2012 12:56 Keirathi wrote:On December 04 2012 12:52 DoYouHas wrote:
WBG kept using being right about DP as a reason he isn't scum. Why does that make sense? With his vote on the DT, and DP/myself also being town, I don't see how he can take the high ground there. If WBG had his way we would have lynched the DT. It is just WIFOM over whether or not a scum WBG would defend DP.
Keirathi/austin - I'll redirect my question that I asked WBG (but he seems to want to ignore) to both of you. What did you think of my vote analysis that led me to Lazer? If you disagree, why? I agree with the premise of it. There almost certainly was at least one scum on the DP vote. I personally still think BH is that scum because of my meta case, but I can understand why people don't believe so because of his unvote. And I do have a town read on debears myself. Why isn't laser scummy? Or why is BH scummier? He (laser) hasn't been active today. It's pretty alarming to me I've said multiple times why I think BH is scummy. Even ignoring the roleblock thing, look at my meta case on him. BH hasn't been interacting with people, trying to get them to talk about his scum reads. He just throws a name and case out there, argues with that person, then moves on when its pertinent, and I don't think switching votes from one townie to the other at the last second, when BH's scum meta is to be trolly and 'suboptimal', makes up for that. But other people aren't buying it, so I've stopped trying to push him for now. As for Lazer: On December 02 2012 06:15 Lazermonkey wrote:
Austin! You've been posting suspicion on several players now but are yet to cast a vote. Who is, in your opinion, top second etc scum read?
Particularly that post gave me a townie feel. This was after his big fight with DP, and calling Zealos out. Why would scum LM then, seeing austin doing something that could be considered "scummy", engage him by trying to get him to give reads and start discussion? It would make much more sense for scum LM to just call out austin and leave it at that. Keir, this question is very important in terms of BH imo. Why would he not keep his vote on the claimed vig last second before lynch? Town - Not lynch a possible vig Scum - Gain town cred by lettting the Vig live Give town a confirmed town member after the shotHaving the vig possibly hit a scum (which, if DYH is vig, he did) Be under pressure for lynching another townie I just don't see scum giving town a confirmed vig like that. Now, they have to nk DYH after the lynch
You just answered your own question. Your even making the arguments for him, so he doesn't even have to.
Look how much town cred he bought by switching off of DYH. If BH is scum, everyone is willing to overlook WHY he's scum just because he did something that is suboptimal, and will hand him the game on a silver platter.
But again, I'm not going to argue about it anymore. I've stated my stance. People don't agree. Whatevs, it's not the first time people have ignored me, nor will it be the last.
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On December 04 2012 14:03 austinmcc wrote:
/snoring
I'm having a dream. I'm dreaming that...that DYH isn't confirmed. That there are other explanations. That if scum only has 1 KP in a 15-person game, something is wrong. I'm dreaming that...it seems there should be an SK, or more than 1 KP, etc. etc.
I'm dreaming that we need to be careful not to call out "confirmed townies," even if we're relatively sure.
/snore
We can cross that bridge when there is 2 KP in a night again.
For now, he's as close to confirmed town as we have.
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@debears:
What do you think about ShiaoPi?
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