EPTI've explained how your play was different than every town game of yours ever. And I've been making cases trying to convince other people that you are scum.
You've just said "Lol keirathi is bad and scum".
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Keirathi
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I've explained how your play was different than every town game of yours ever. And I've been making cases trying to convince other people that you are scum. You've just said "Lol keirathi is bad and scum". | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25557 Posts
You have refused to share your thoughts, develop scumreads, talk about flips, or do ANYTHING but tunnel me and respond to the numerous people who have defended me in thread. This "looks" like aggressive town but it's not. What this is is scum OPTING OUT of the discourse. Just like Djoref did in Mario, because it's an easy way to look town as scum. A town player has lots of things to share, but you have NOTHING. All you have is tunnelling me. That's a great way to avoid giving reads and revealing your scum motive, and you're better than that. Most townies are better than that. This is scum play, it's play against the town, and I won't stand for it. Your blood shall flow a beautiful crimson. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 03 2012 16:07 Blazinghand wrote: I typically have a policy of not lynching people the day they replaced in, but I didn't like Ace either (though I typically find him illegible anyways). For you, my friend: an exception. That's awfully convenient that you're willing to give up your policy to lynch a townie when you weren't willing to give it up in Mario to lynch a scum  And I most certainly am scumhunting. I have a major scum read, and there hasn't been a whole ton of other things to talk about since I replaced in. WBG said he wanted to lynch Shiao, Xatalos just recently made a case on Zealos. Neither make as much sense as scum to me as you. | ||
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Blazinghand
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I've seen this before, and the only motivation is that you're scum. ez. | ||
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Keirathi
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On December 03 2012 16:15 Blazinghand wrote: The fact of the matter is Keirathi, I thought about that policy, and sometimes policies need to be bent. It blinded me to the true nature of Djoref being scum last game, and I have learned from that mistake. So much has happened, with flips, shots, VE being red, etc, but you would rather avoid all that discussion. It's so easy to let your scum motives slip when you actually talk to the town! No, much easier to just tunnel BH. I've seen this before, and the only motivation is that you're scum. ez. What the hell is there to say about the flips/shots/VE being scum? They are facts that everyone can see. What have you said about them, btw? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On December 03 2012 16:16 Keirathi wrote: What the hell is there to say about the flips/shots/VE being scum? They are facts that everyone can see. What have you said about them, btw? I haven't weighed in on them yet, and I haven't done any associative tell analysis either. But there's a lot to say (besides of course that DYH is the vigi), especially given that VE, and people's interactions with VE, left behind what I'm sure is plenty of stuff to look at from D1. You can turn the question around on me if you like-- yes, I haven't weighed in on that yet, but you know what I have done? Shared reads on tons of people since the start of D1, since the start of N1 even. I'm an open book, Keirathi. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Keirathi
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On December 03 2012 16:19 Blazinghand wrote: I haven't weighed in on them yet, and I haven't done any associative tell analysis either. But there's a lot to say (besides of course that DYH is the vigi), especially given that VE, and people's interactions with VE, left behind what I'm sure is plenty of stuff to look at from D1. You can turn the question around on me if you like-- yes, I haven't weighed in on that yet, but you know what I have done? Shared reads on tons of people since the start of D1, since the start of N1 even. I'm an open book, Keirathi. "I haven't done that stuff either but its cool, I can still attack you for it!" Okay buddy. And notice you still dodged making a case as to how this is my scum play rather than my town play. And trying to convince other people that I am scum. You're doing the same thing you did with DP: trying to convince ME that I'm scum. That's not what town BH does EVER. Anyways time for sleep. Good night <3 | ||
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Blazinghand
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Keirathi
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On December 03 2012 16:37 Blazinghand wrote: It doesn't matter if you personally find my arguments unconvincing. Everyone else will now know it plain as day: you are scum. So you WERE trying to convince me that I am scum? Lol. Just so lol. What you're TRYING to do is bully me off of your case. Not happening. If someone else can convince me that the things you've said can come from a townie BH, I'll reconsider. Until then, you're scum and I'm happy with my vote. | ||
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Blazinghand
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Keirathi
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See you tomorrow, scummer | ||
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wherebugsgo
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As I said earlier, I think we should consider ShiaoPi as a lynch candidate. I also thought that we should consider Dandel/sandro today but based on sandro's contributions so far I don't think that's a good idea. If sandro continues being useful I'm inclined to call him town; he's remarkably easy to catch as scum. I wouldn't mind killing BH but I have an inkling he's just being dumb. Clearly I should've erred on the side of "marvel is saying stupid stuff about DP" instead of "marvel is scum because of how he can't see DP is town." (and once again I should've trusted my earlier read) The tl;dr reason for why I think we should consider ShiaoPi is this: On December 02 2012 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: Shiao is.......I want to wait on Shiao. At least a day. Maybe tomorrow. I'm not really reading Shiao as scum right now. Also note I'm less willing to lynch BH and Zealos given how some events unfolded and this: On December 02 2012 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: As it stands, I'm willing to lynch inside [Zealos, Dandel, Blazinghand] today. In that order. ##Unvote ##Vote: Zealos Of note is that VE's only mentions of Dandel came in this post, which make it entirely plausible that VE was simply throwing forward Dandel's name to distance himself from a scumbuddy. His only mentions of Shiao also come in this post. In general scum ignore some of their team and thrust some others into the limelight. It serves to hedge both bets; one that they can potentially bus, and the other that they can preserve their team. Almost every scum does this, and I don't think VE is any exception to that. While he mentions Shiao and Dandel only in these posts, he mentions other players (such as Zealos, whom he actually voted for) in other posts and multiple times with at least cursory reasoning. In addition he pushed dabears fairly aggressively, as if he was looking for people to bandwagon with him on dabears. That makes me feel like it's unlikely dabears is scum (although I already had a town read on him anyway) and I think it strengthens the idea that VE interacted more with townies than with his fellow scum. Anyway, a lot of this is connection-based, but given that these players have been flying under the radar, there isn't much else to put on the table with respect to their play anyway. To rehash what I said earlier about Dandel/sandro; since sandro seems to be helpful, let's leave him alive. His presence has caused my read of him to improve, since Dandel literally didn't do anything at all. If sandro is indeed town he's our best player anyway. Of the remaining players I think LazerMonkey also deserves attention. Off the top of my head I can't think of any strong positions he's taken all game, and that's not something you generally note about townies. (curiously, VE never mentions LazerMonkey once, unless you count an indirect mention of an observation I made of Lazer) ##vote ShiaoPi | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 03 2012 01:47 ShiaoPi wrote: On my watchlist right now: -Marv depending on night actions -DYH see above These two are the obvious ones, then I still want to keep tabs on BH and Xata (whom I have kind of forgot earlier in d1) BH led a mislynch, while that happens to anyone of us, i still dislike the way je insisted on SP being scum, when he was willing to swap earlier tarfets, stubbornness in a read aint necessaeily scum, but still. In regards to xata there has been a lot about him alreasy by others I am not going to rehash that. But his last post was pure fluff so it kind of adds up. I'm puzzled by that last statement. First of all, my latest post before this post of yours was nothing like "pure fluff". It had my reasoning for why DYH felt townish, WBG felt townish and BH felt scummy to me at the time. Maybe my speculation about the night actions was a bit fluffy, but it was only a part of that post. How did the whole post become "pure fluff"?? In addition to this lackluster reasoning, there's nothing suggesting I'm scummy except what "others have said". This whole post seems almost too familiar to me. It's like I'm looking at VE's post where he jumped on the debears bandwagon by just adding something unconvincing of his own and repeating earlier statements. It feels like you just wanted to have me as a convenient lynch option without committing in any way. Granted, it's only a feeling, but I got the same initial feeling when VE made his move against debears. In fact, it's enough that I'd want to lynch you if it weren't for Zealos. His actions during Day 1 feel the scummiest of all. I'm not sure what to think of the BH vs Keirathi showdown. Something tells me it might even be a town vs town situation... Or then one is Mafia. It seems pretty unbelievable that such a long interaction would be fake, so it's almost impossible for both to be Mafia. I'm not willing to lynch either of them for today, though, since there's a decent chance both might be town. Lynching into Zealos/ShiaoPi, on the other hand, there's a decent chance they could even both be Mafia. Of my other original suspects VE was obviously Mafia and DYH is now confirmed town, and Dandel Ion was replaced by sandroba (who feels townish so far) so I'm not willing to lynch other players at this moment. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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to lend credence to my idea that VE was more willing to interact with townies than scum, note these cursory/sort of nebulous things: If you ctrl-f "marv" in VE's filter, you get the most hits out of anyone else in the game: 23. Ace: 21 (24 minus 3 occurrences of "ace" in a larger word) bugs: 15 blazing/bh/blz: 22 Xata: 14 DYH/doyou: 11 Zealos: 7 shiao/shaio: 5 austin: 5 LazerMonkey/Lazer: 2 Dandel: 2 MrZentor/Zentor/Mr: 0. I find it funny that this is almost directly correlated with the read I had on each player. | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On December 03 2012 19:51 wherebugsgo wrote: The fact that BH thinks Keirathi is scum is an attest to him either being scum or stupid. Neither works out well. As I said earlier, I think we should consider ShiaoPi as a lynch candidate. I also thought that we should consider Dandel/sandro today but based on sandro's contributions so far I don't think that's a good idea. If sandro continues being useful I'm inclined to call him town; he's remarkably easy to catch as scum. I wouldn't mind killing BH but I have an inkling he's just being dumb. Clearly I should've erred on the side of "marvel is saying stupid stuff about DP" instead of "marvel is scum because of how he can't see DP is town." (and once again I should've trusted my earlier read) The tl;dr reason for why I think we should consider ShiaoPi is this: Also note I'm less willing to lynch BH and Zealos given how some events unfolded and this: Of note is that VE's only mentions of Dandel came in this post, which make it entirely plausible that VE was simply throwing forward Dandel's name to distance himself from a scumbuddy. His only mentions of Shiao also come in this post. In general scum ignore some of their team and thrust some others into the limelight. It serves to hedge both bets; one that they can potentially bus, and the other that they can preserve their team. Almost every scum does this, and I don't think VE is any exception to that. While he mentions Shiao and Dandel only in these posts, he mentions other players (such as Zealos, whom he actually voted for) in other posts and multiple times with at least cursory reasoning. In addition he pushed dabears fairly aggressively, as if he was looking for people to bandwagon with him on dabears. That makes me feel like it's unlikely dabears is scum (although I already had a town read on him anyway) and I think it strengthens the idea that VE interacted more with townies than with his fellow scum. Anyway, a lot of this is connection-based, but given that these players have been flying under the radar, there isn't much else to put on the table with respect to their play anyway. To rehash what I said earlier about Dandel/sandro; since sandro seems to be helpful, let's leave him alive. His presence has caused my read of him to improve, since Dandel literally didn't do anything at all. If sandro is indeed town he's our best player anyway. Of the remaining players I think LazerMonkey also deserves attention. Off the top of my head I can't think of any strong positions he's taken all game, and that's not something you generally note about townies. (curiously, VE never mentions LazerMonkey once, unless you count an indirect mention of an observation I made of Lazer) ##vote ShiaoPi I agree with pretty much everything in this post. You also raise good points about Lazermonkey and Zealos. Almost nothing comes to my mind when I think about Lazermonkey, and that's never a good sign. And about Zealos - I don't think it's that unusual to throw a vote at your scumbuddy like that. Even so, your point about the vague reference to ShiaoPi by VE, combined with VE choosing to vote for Zealos near the deadline despite many other options, leads me to believe that ShiaoPi might in fact be the better lynch for today. Still... I can't shake the doubt that VE was only distancing from Zealos by throwing that vote at him, then changing his vote soon after. That's why my vote stays on Zealos for the time being. | ||
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