Paranoia Mafia - Page 59

On December 03 2012 21:38 sandroba wrote:
Hmm Bugs does have a point. Also if we assume BH is town ShiaoPi does fit the same theme as VE yesterday. A totally unimpactful player that just stood by the sidelines, because their team was never in danger. I'm willing to roll with that because I'm getting cold feet about BH flipping scum (VE mentioning he is okay with lynching him/zealos should at least make us consider looking in another direction) and Shiao isn't doing shit so it's less risk involved.
##Vote: ShiaoPi

On December 03 2012 23:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
ye sandro has it correct. A scum who is not going to die or is not under in any pressure to bus is almost certainly not going to bus.

Any of VE's pushes that "seemed" genuine were probably on townies.

On December 03 2012 15:45 Keirathi wrote:
You know, I was on the fence about BH. There is definitely a point to be made about why would scum BH switch off of the vig at the last second. (I could also make the counterpoint of why would scum BH, in Bureaucracy, vote himself right at the deadline to "avoid" a no-lynch, which he did, but his vote didn't count because it was too late).

I was trying to convince myself that maybe BH could just be playing completely differently from every town game he has played ever, and suddenly become a bad player. But I keep coming back to this:



Now, we KNOW that one of DYH/marv got their ability off (unless you want to conspiracy theory about scum having 2 KP *AND* shooting their own teamate...I find that even more unlikely than scum BH switching off the vig at the last second, though).

Did anyone else actually assume that scum wouldn't have a roleblocker? If someone can honestly tell me that they thought that with 2 blue roles claimed day 1, that one of them would get an action off because there wouldn't be a roleblocker, then speak up because that was not my thought process at all.

On December 03 2012 23:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
ye sandro has it correct. A scum who is not going to die or is not under in any pressure to bus is almost certainly not going to bus.

Any of VE's pushes that "seemed" genuine were probably on townies.

On December 03 2012 16:04 Blazinghand wrote:
And here's what's really bugging me, Keirathi. You're not playing for the town here, you're not trying to reason out reads or interact with people, all you're doing is tunnelling me. Besides a very very brief response to DYH talking about ace, and calling Sandro town, you have refused to participate in the thread. Now, granted, I'm not captain mchelpful always but I share my thoughts because I want people to analyze, think, and develop.

You have refused to share your thoughts, develop scumreads, talk about flips, or do ANYTHING but tunnel me and respond to the numerous people who have defended me in thread. This "looks" like aggressive town but it's not. What this is is scum OPTING OUT of the discourse. Just like Djoref did in Mario, because it's an easy way to look town as scum.

A town player has lots of things to share, but you have NOTHING. All you have is tunnelling me. That's a great way to avoid giving reads and revealing your scum motive, and you're better than that. Most townies are better than that. This is scum play, it's play against the town, and I won't stand for it. Your blood shall flow a beautiful crimson.

On December 04 2012 00:31 ShiaoPi wrote:
now onto bugs's motive to lynch me:
Uh...I cannot help being mentioned by scum in softdefending manner? I don't even see how you can be willing to lynch me off for sth. like this. I admit that I was not the largest help d1, but I never am one of the most contributing persons d1.....

Dunno where the rest of his "case" went, oh wait, there was none. This feels like you guys are just wanting to policylynch me for inactivity.

On December 04 2012 00:36 ShiaoPi wrote:


Well I just did, duh.

I am just annoyed to catch up to stuff like this, getting voted for for no reason.

On December 04 2012 00:24 ShiaoPi wrote:
hai bandwagon much?

Anyway, let me first write up what I wanted to yesterday but could not get to before defending myself from bugs. Catching up to the thread I am gonna scratch pretty much all of what I had yesterday. I am going to comment on some of the remaining players now, with a reread of the thread:

BH:
Fuck what I said, I am leaning town on him now.

Zealos:
I would like to get rid of him as he is just a useless lurking piece of space at the moment. His saving grace is firstly that there are better lynches today and secondly (and more importantly) he got voted by VE. While VE is scum and therefore his votes are much more likely to end up on townies (see later in the day with DP and DYH) I don't feel like just taking his filter as 100%-foolproof evidence, heck he softdefended me and I am fucking town.

Xatalos:
This is more or less where it gets interesting. Before the reread I had a scumread on him, this is largely due to the fact that he has an incredibly annoying (to me) way to express his thoughts, convoluted to no end, e.g.: + Show Spoiler +

this entire post can be summed up into this:
-I think you are town DYH, because of the reasons for tunneling you just shared and the late claim
-Please claim your shot just before deadline to avoid too much chance for mafia to interfere, oh and wifom
-I am getting a townread on WBG and BH leans scum to me

or his last post:
+ Show Spoiler +

It just hurts to look at it imo, the information within the post is so little in relation to the lengt Look through Xata's filter, it's full of elaborate stuff without a real conclusion/course of action. This is a clear scumtell in my eyes, no need for that much fluff if you are contributing. There are also a lot of "cases" which he never followed up entirely in a committing way. The problem I have with a potential scum-Xata is that he is making sense. Also he did not jump on the marv bandwagon d1, something I think scum would have loved to do, having a real chance to get a really good player mislynched d1. Conclusion on Xata, null leaning slightly in the red.

Just because I mentioned DYH in my post before, he is confirmed town to me, I don't buy shenanigans with scum shooting themselves and stuff.

Now on to the good stuff: Keirathi
Obviously my changed read on BH is important for a red kei. but let's start from looking at ace:
-He has been dickish, trolly and unhelpful, not exactly a scumtell but it adds to the entire picture.
-What makes me wonder is especially the parts in his filter with "shiao/debears/DYH"-interaction and "shiao/VE/DP"-interaction. I do not remember having thoroughly interacted much with DYH, there were some questions from debears which I answered, also I did not interact with VE/DP in a remarkable kind of way. So I have no clue where he got this from, conclusions he does not read the thread thoroughly and makes shit up as he goes to appear contributing.
Moving on to Kei now,
While I initially agreed with a lot of his points against BH, I was also in the game from the beginning. Now with a clear reread I do not read BH as scummy anymore, from someone who replaces in I would expect him to have a clear mindset as well and I believe Keirathi to be a good enough player to be able to come to the same conclusion as I did. The entire amount of tunneling onto BH as an "easy" target seems to me like an attempt to just derail the entire thread into bascially the same discussion we had at the end of d1. Also the complete disregard for anything else, why? Cuz scum!

##vote: Keirathi

Before I forget it, honorable mention to Lazermonkey, get out of your lurkhole and do something, you are pretty much up next right after Kei!