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debears
United States2516 Posts
MrZ had a good point about BH switching off DYH 1) It was right before deadline. It had to be a reaction. No way BH could go back to the scum QT and think it out with his possible scummates, unless he thought DYH would get lynched anyways 2) It was consistent with BH's don't lynch claimed blues without counterclaim 3) It would be much more favorable for scum to lynch a possible vig with no/little repercussions instead of leading a lynch on another townie | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'll be back later when I can actually form a coherent post. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 03 2012 11:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I think we should consider killing ShiaoPi today. I'll be back later when I can actually form a coherent post. How about we lynch you? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Housekeeping: With DYH actually being a vigi, I'm less inclined to believe that BH changed his vote last second for a save as scum. There are things he could have thought from either a town or scum perspective that would lead him to change his vote, sure. But he didn't have to, and that's quite a snapcall to make as scum. For some reason I don't quite want to put "BH townie now" but ... that seems more likely. I'd rather pursue non-BH targets today. + Show Spoiler + SECRET PARANOID THOUGHT: SCUM TEAM HAS 2 KP, DYH NOT A VIGI, HAD TO SHOOT VE TO GET CONFIRMED STATUS. ZOMGZOMGZOMGZOMGZOMG. Just a thought, because I do loves me some speculation. We don't know how much KP scum have, and so while DYH probably town, we've got no confirmation. Could also be third party with KP, etc. etc. | ||
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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DoYouHas
United States1140 Posts
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On December 03 2012 12:10 austinmcc wrote: MrZ, what are your thoughts on Zealos? Housekeeping: With DYH actually being a vigi, I'm less inclined to believe that BH changed his vote last second for a save as scum. There are things he could have thought from either a town or scum perspective that would lead him to change his vote, sure. But he didn't have to, and that's quite a snapcall to make as scum. For some reason I don't quite want to put "BH townie now" but ... that seems more likely. I'd rather pursue non-BH targets today. + Show Spoiler + SECRET PARANOID THOUGHT: SCUM TEAM HAS 2 KP, DYH NOT A VIGI, HAD TO SHOOT VE TO GET CONFIRMED STATUS. ZOMGZOMGZOMGZOMGZOMG. Just a thought, because I do loves me some speculation. We don't know how much KP scum have, and so while DYH probably town, we've got no confirmation. Could also be third party with KP, etc. etc. Austin i did think about the same thing in terms of the possibility of 2 kp. Would be quite the gambit though | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
I'm not liking a BH lynch as much anymore. It's a good point that he had little reason to save the Vigi while putting himself to the spotlight by doing so. It would have been much easier to remain passive and let DYH die. Everything's possible, but Occam's razor points to BH = town being the more likely option based on this alone. Looking at VE's filter, it seems to give some town points to at least debears, BH and myself. I'm torn on Zealos, because VE did vote for him, but he didn't provide any reasoning, just kind of dropped the vote and then quickly switched to DP when the bandwagon started to form on him. And looking at the own actions of Zealos, I'm liking him best as the lynch for today. ##Vote Zealos I'm curious DYH, what's your read on me now? You pushed me for all of Day 1 but then (fortunately) didn't shoot me anyway. I'm also very interested to hear why you chose to shoot VE, and what do you think of all the interactions between me and VE? And who would be your top lynches right now? | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
I was trying to convince myself that maybe BH could just be playing completely differently from every town game he has played ever, and suddenly become a bad player. But I keep coming back to this: On December 03 2012 07:13 Keirathi wrote: I just want to talk about this quote a bit as well. In any normal-ish game that I'm ever in, if I'm town and two people blue claim on day 1, my automatic no-thinking-needed assumption would be that one of them would be roleblocked and one would be NK'd. The only way BH's post makes sense is if you assume there isn't a roleblocker (and/or mafia KP, but that's just silly), which I find hard to believe any townie would assume by default. Scum BH knows that there isn't a scum RB? Now, we KNOW that one of DYH/marv got their ability off (unless you want to conspiracy theory about scum having 2 KP *AND* shooting their own teamate...I find that even more unlikely than scum BH switching off the vig at the last second, though). Did anyone else actually assume that scum wouldn't have a roleblocker? If someone can honestly tell me that they thought that with 2 blue roles claimed day 1, that one of them would get an action off because there wouldn't be a roleblocker, then speak up because that was not my thought process at all. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
##vote Keirathi | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 03 2012 15:46 Blazinghand wrote: Keirathi should be smarter than this. ##vote Keirathi You still haven't made an actual argument against my case, or the no-roleblocker assumption. You just keep calling me bad/stupid. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On December 03 2012 15:50 Keirathi wrote: You still haven't made an actual argument against my case, or the no-roleblocker assumption. You just keep calling me bad/stupid. I made an argument against your case, which is that earlier in the night I assume, and state clearly, that I expect one of the two of them to be blocked. The fact that you continue to opt out of the discussion means you're intentionally avoiding being helpful. You're a smart guy, and you're not playing like you do as town. Your blood shall run red. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On December 03 2012 15:54 Blazinghand wrote: Also: scumslips don't exist. When you flip red, we'll see. And I'll gladly trade 1 for 1 with you <3 | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
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Keirathi
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Blazinghand
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