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If it's fine to play it that way I'm /in | ||
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Whatever, /in as replacement in that case I guess. | ||
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Let's put it this way: I'm fairly certain that out of those people greymist is pm'ing at least one won't respond anyways, so if that happens he can in again and I'm taking THAT spot :p | ||
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##find rat ##craft rat-flail now that I'm fully equipped for battle without spending money at all: ##spend 100g on booth and hookers | ||
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Now I've got 500g I guess. spend 500g on random crap that looks awesome | ||
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On November 20 2012 11:51 Promethelax wrote: I'm not entirely sure that it has. I am, however, sure that I'll ## dance the night away, earn gold from toad did you not see the last time someone did that she ( I hope it was a girl oO ) ended up paying me. But hey, I'm up for more. | ||
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On November 20 2012 12:08 Promethelax wrote: no gender specifications. Clearly was a male. well someone is pregnant therefore someone is most likely female unless this themed game is really weird. | ||
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##Go into a house, smash all the pots there are and collect the rubies ##2 ##Go outside ##3 ##go-to-1 | ||
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On November 21 2012 02:56 VisceraEyes wrote: I feel you austin. I'm an invisible replacement, so it's not empty...but it's not full (I don't think) so the company OUTSIDE the obsQT would be appreciated.  Wat. I made it into the game although it was full and you didn't? Now what am I going to shoot / lynch / tunnel d1?  But fear not for we will (probably) have modkills! You'll probably be sooner in this game than you can say "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP TUNNELING ME". Isn't that nice? :p | ||
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On November 21 2012 05:06 GreYMisT wrote: That would be "Boring" and "Broken" and "Bastard". not if everyone's a jester! But that'd be something only Igrok is allowed to host ;( | ||
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Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. There's simply no reason to get out here and tell people he's planning to heavily focus on reading one guy. Best case scenario is him being pointless, worst case scenario is him trying to look good by providing "something" while actually being pointless. I'd say we've got someone who's trying to get a cheap backdoor exit early on. That being said I plan on becomming leader d1. Vote for me please :3 I plan on sending people I trust to be town. Especially my townreads are pretty awesome and I have an easy time picking up townreads early on so I'd say this job is the right job for me. That being said I will not send people some kind of "majority" thinks I should send. I will send people I myself consider to be town and nothing else. That probably sounds stupid to those people who are new to this game but that's how these things are going. Don't listen to people telling you they will listen to some majority-decided group they will nominate if they get to be leader. Vote for someone who's willing and comfortable enough to make a decision on his own instead of trying to dodge the responsibility but wants to be leader for whatever reason nonetheless. I know it sounds awesome to have people telling you that your voice will be heard and everyone can hold hands and decide on the group together but that's just meaningless smooth-talk. You've got your vote. You vote for the leader, not more and not less. Everything else is in the hand of the guy in charge. That's how you influence this outcome and it's enough. More than that just makes it way to likely for people to be influenced. I will obviously only vote for someone I trust to be able to get good reads d1 himself in combination with a townread on said guy (duh). Having someone who's just going to roll a dice to determine who's going on the mission is not going to help us and let's face it, there's people who are at face value with rolling a dice, at least on d1. Vote me pretty please! | ||
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Faking townreads as mafias is incredibly easy. Faking mafiareads as mafia is something that takes effort. If we're only going to talk about who we're going to send d1 we're giving mafia an incredibly easy time skating by. I know it feels counterintuitive as clearly the shortterm "goal" is to send a good guy d1 but I think we should try and balance those issues out. After all, the goal in the longrun is to figure people out and we won't be able to do that by playing nice all day long. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:17 Keirathi wrote: Really? I'm scum because the people I would be most willing to vote as leader are the people I'm most familiar with? Don't be ridiculous. no you're scum for pointing that out. That's a important difference. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:27 Keirathi wrote: No, you're being dumb. I've played lots of games with marv, iamperfection, S&B, risk.nuke, Z-BosoN, etc. I 100% trust my ability to read them better than I trust my ability to read you or syllo or sandro, whom I've never played with. When it comes down to time for me to vote, I'm going to think "Ok, sandro might be town, and he's getting a lot of votes. But, I'm much more sure that marv is town because I'm way more familiar with how he plays. It makes sense for me to vote him." Plain and simple. If that makes me scum, then tough titties. And yet you still haven't understood what I'm saying. I'm not saying your reasoning is stupid. If you feel that way fine although I'd hope that you have more than just one guy you feel comfortable to read... I mean you just mentioned a bunch of people, yet you only mentioned Marv earlier, didn't you? The issue is that you get in here telling us about that. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:43 Keirathi wrote: You're right, I guess I don't understand. How is explaining how I plan to use my vote scummy? As far as mostly talking about reading marv (at one point, I did mention that there were other people I was comfortable reading if I don't feel like marv should be elected party leader), its because even though I feel like I have a grasp on how to read them, I don't think they'll be likely party leader candidates. No matter how strong of a town read I have on, say, iamperfection, its just pretty damn unlikely that he gets elected as party leader day 1 when there are vets "running" for the position that most of the game is willing to sheep. The thing is that it gives us (read: everyone who's not you) nothing at all. Fine we got it but why are you telling us that you're planning to favor Marv? Are we supposed to talk about it? I highly doubt it. Then why did you tell us preemptively about it? It really looks like a cheap excuse to justify yourself and I'm having troubles figuring why you'd want to do that? That's why I said at best it's pointless, at worst it's a guy trying to contribute something while actually being pointless. Your early explanation sounds like a set-up for the next couple of hours of this cycle. | ||
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On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote: Nice to play with you again Toadesstern  . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed...What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel it's important that you provide your candidates you wish to bring to the party before people make a vote for you. We can't just vote for you because you're a vet that will perform well for us if you're town... This is a very interesting point. But keep in mind that since lynching at the very least isn't commonplace, it might be possible for scum to deliberately bus themselves even early to gain some town credit and not get hurt that badly. Like maybe they spend their scumhunting time repeatedly picking on hypothetical scumperson A for half the game until he finally gets lynched. They go out looking townie, and don't have to worry about getting lynched again for a very long time... I'm still not convinced that focusing on lynchings as the primary means for town victory is best in this setup. Also, while faking scumreads on town is the standard task for scum in normal games, I'm thinking that faking townreads on scum as scum is going to be their focus this game. It will be easier for them to "blend in" doing this perhaps, but it should still be possible to find them, especially when a particular event outcome goes poorly. I still see this as the inverse of a normal game, where townreads are the priority. Scumreads may follow based on an unexpected vote.outcome to some extent, but only insofar as knowing whose opinions can be most trusted.for selecting the next party leader. I'm going to adress the 2.5 major points shortly: Yes I'm going to give you an idea of who I'm considering. I don't know what it's going to be like and I can't promise wether I'll call my exact team early but I'll give reads. I will try and explain the reasoning of the reads and what you're supposed to look into is that reasoning and not the reads themselves. I don't want you to only look at the results of my reads, I want you to look at my and everyone elses train of thought. That's the interessting part. Yes scum can bus themselves but that will lead to mistakes due to confirmation bias. That's the reason it's hard for mafia to fake reads in general. They know they are right or they know that they're wrong so they're approaching the situation completly different. And again, that's what you want to look into. If someone calls someone mafia but isn't able to give reasoning as to why he thinks so or if you think his reasoning is bad your alarmclocks should be ringing. And lastly yes I agree, mafias will most likely try and blend in by pointing out easy to do reads. That is just another reason why we shouldn't let people skate by doing nothing but delivering some weak reads as to why someone is supposed to be town. After all you're going to be right in most cases even if you roll a dice all the time due to the nature of alignment distribution, right? Picking out mafias is harder and is the standard by what we should be judging people. | ||
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