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Alright guys, it looks like you all have the scumhunt well underway, so keep it up. In the meantime, I'm going to put some ideas out there that concerns plot and set-up.
The story so far (condensed version):
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Teleporter malfunctions, group wakes up and sees castle. Gets pounced on by fiends, some people die, and the group heads to the church. We enter church, fight some demons, and save the King and Queen. Team returns to present and now we get to lynch a 'shapeshifter' (aka mafia).
So far this is very consistent with the actual Chrono Trigger game, so I am going to assume that we can draw clues about what is going to happen next based on that. In the video game, Chronos and his party are arrested for kidnapping the princess and are sentenced to death (idk, might just be represented with our lynching phase). The group escapes through another portal, which flings them far into the future 2300ad. Here, they learn about Lavos and vow to stop it. Along they way, they repair and meet Robo (probably going to be the next crucial party member). After some running around, they eventually bump into Gaspar, the old sage at the end of time (might be a 3rd party role this game?). He gives them magic powers and the ability to time travel. The party then jumps back into prehistoric time, where Ayla (probably another role) and Frog join the group. The team helps Frog repair his sword, then fights and kills Magus (might be a scum role), the evil guy who turned me into a frog.
Well, it seems I have this broken sword in my inventory. As explained in my initial role PM: "Now, you wield the broken Masamune to defend your queen. Until it is fixed you cannot use its full power." I'd like to live long enough to see us fix it, but I'm afraid I won't make it at this current rate. I think it could be a great help to the team if we get this bad boy online.
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Ok for my next trick, I have compiled a list of everyone who has admitted to taking damage. We can use this to gauge a rough estimate of mafia killing power. I am aware that it would be oh-so-easy for mafia to lie about this, so take it with a grain of salt. There has to be a bit of truth behind it though, so here it is:
Dienosore - 445 dmg
Marvellosity - 200 dmg
CaveJohnson - 25 dmg
Clarity - 20 dmg
Iamperfection - 20 dmg
Acrofalls - 20 dmg
Djodref - 20 dmg
Keirathi - 0 dmg
TheChronicler - 0 dmg
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Damn wish I could edit you in.
Another thing I forgot to add. Since this game seems like it's going to be pretty dynamic, I'm also considering the possibility that the queen we just saved can be utilized in some way. Maybe someone's PM said something like "if the group saves you, you get so-and-so power" or maybe she's just an NPC that will make our next mission easier, IDK -_-
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I'm going to do another relationship map tonight, then cross reference it with the old one to see if I can pick up any patterns. Hopefully I can get a better quality picture up so you guys can actually see it this time.
Also, why has this thread slowed down so much  Everyone eat too much for thanksgiving or something? lol. Pehaps you are ... digesting... all the info I just dropped? lol x2
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T_T
Plz don't distract me from getting to the meat of our problems. I've been consumed by them all day, so I can't really stomach any more derailment.
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CaveJohnson is also my leading candidate for lynch. I'll build a proper case for this when I finish the map, but I can say right now that I think I have some pretty incriminating evidence.
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I havn't started on the map yet, but here are some talking points I whipped up that might get this thread moving again. I fear I have limited time left in this game, so I can't afford all of you to go afk on me now.
- I have a strong GreYMisT read that tells me I might be heavily responsible for the success of our mission. I'd imagine I get a little bit extra influence for being a hero anyway, and then even more on top of that for being in the party during the proper time period. We shouldn't assume anyone in the party is not scum because I could just be pulling their weight.
That being said, I see no reason to change as long as we keep winning our events. I maintain we leave things be and try to fit the lore as best as possible.
This means that we should have a serious discussion on whether or not it would be benificial for Robo to roleclaim sometime on the next cycle. If my theory is correct, you should be traveling to the future soon. Having Robo in the squad during this time might be the key to winning the challenge. This may prompt the Mafia to do a false claim, so be highly critcal of anyone who steps up.
- Kitaman27's guessing game indicates to me the presense of a third party who gets this ability every lynching. I also suspect that this is a one-hit-ko type of deal to a regular towny.
I think I've picked up on another 3rd party who does a 100dmg spread in 20s to 5 people. Either that or CaveJohnson can deflect dmg (check roleclaim)
- There are three big hidden factors that I don't think anyone has tried to figure out yet that concerns Mafia killing power;their numbers/hp/kp. I'm guessing each mafia game is pretty similar in this regard? Does anyone with more experience have any input?
- Thanksgiving gives lurking mafia the perfect excuse as to why they have been lurking. I'm not saying everyone who said this is lying, but I have a hunch at least one person is using it as a cover.
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1. I think I was a blatantly obvious target. No surprise that I took so much damage;in fact I was kind of counting on it to protect our regular townies from getting popped day 1. Not sure yet why Marv got roleblocked and 200 dmg'd. Maybe it was just an attempt to gimp a strong towny? 200 damage seems like a lot to me coming from just one source though, so maybe the mafia split between us. Or 3rd party, who knows.
I'm pretty sure the mafia wouldn't shoot themselves in this situation
2. Yeah I didn't really believe it either after it happened. He did it at a weird time and for no real reason, then even said something a few posts later about lieing to bait out reactions. (different topic i think, but still fishy that he'd say something like that right after claiming)
After comparing some numbers, I'm going go postulate that a regular mafia is sitting around 200 hp. I'm also going to speculate that a regular mafia can do 25 damage each, except for the scumlords who can do more. As for their numbers, the dmg output is showing about 8-10 scumbags running around.
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I briefly entertained the idea that he claimed low success modifier to try and sucker syllo into putting him on the team as an "obvious" towny. Or maybe he is just disappointed about being a chef.
idk i can't honestly see a reason why he would claim anything, especially in such a foolhearty way, other than to offer himself up for the first necking.
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Okok, Im awake again.
I'd like to hear everyone's stance on a Robo roleclaim before the next party selection. Should Robo claim? When would be the best time for him to expose himself? Who should he replace on the team? Is it really worth exposing a strong member for the sake of him being there during the proper time period?
well?
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One thing at a time, I guess.
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Sorry guys, I was smokin a blunt. What were the questions directed at me again?
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IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.
As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.
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On November 24 2012 04:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 04:20 Dienosore wrote:
IDK if I'm town, but I win with town.
As for GK, he's popped up a couple times on my map, but the squigglies protruding and intruding his bubble are too varied for any reliable read right now. I havn't specifically examined him yet, so idk. My earlier leanings was scum, mostly because he attacked my credibility a few times for no real reason. Also, his demeanor was setting off some flags, but as many of you kindly have pointed out english isnt his first language.
No, that was Djodref. Get yourself together and make a proper analysis on GK.
Sry, mistake. I'm still working on mapping things out, then im going to crossreference.
I will say, though, that you have quickly popped up on the second map and are starting to collect some heat marv. It could just be your playstyle to be accusatory towards lots of people, or idk, but for some reason you are drawing a lot of negative attention.
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Ok here are the results of my investigation on GF. I believe him to be a leading candidate for the gallows:
Mistake No. 1
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On November 21 2012 15:26 goodkarma wrote:
Perhaps our host could explain?:
Are chosen party members kill-immune?
If not, what happens if scum kill a party member?
On November 21 2012 16:35 goodkarma wrote:
I've touched on this a few times. Hopefully this is the last time clarification is needed. This game isn't about scumhunting. Rather, it revolves around townhunting.
On November 21 2012 17:16 goodkarma wrote:
The game structure inherantly requires us to produce targets for the mafia, and we'll just need to accept that...
I should reword what I said, then, as follows.:
Until such a time where lynching becomes an available option, we should be prioritizing townhunting over scumhunting as we choose our party leader and members.
These all happened early and seem to come from a scumbag's perspective. While one post wouldn't necessarily indicate mafia, I became suspicious when they began to stack up quickly
Mistake No. 2
+ Show Spoiler +On November 21 2012 17:50 goodkarma wrote:Nice to play with you again Toadesstern  . There were a few things you mentioned I would like to briefly touch up on and then I'm really going to bed... Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 17:09 Toadesstern wrote:
This Keirathi guy is mafia.
Not because of what he's saying but because of what he's failing to provide: Reasoning as to why he'd post what he did so far. What you're saying here seems perfectly reasonable to me. However, I still feel as if blah blah blah... Here he completely glosses over Toad's accusation of Keirathi, indirectly saying to me that he supported the idea of a scum Keirathi. Well, it turned out Keirathi was in the group when we succeeded, so...?
Mistake No. 3:
+ Show Spoiler +On November 22 2012 15:10 goodkarma wrote:
Okay. To the best of my ability I have selected a team.
1) Oats: This is a guy who has played unafraid of what others think of him, making a mediocre (at best) case against clarity and chiming in every chance he gets. He clearly is excited to scumhunt, which is what I believe to be the only reason he placed a vote on toad. I visualize a scum in this setup taking more time discussing who's town, which is definitely the "safer" route.
2) Djo: I can't say that I have a very strong read on him, but I'm leaning towards town. He has proposed his own ideas for how to run an election. A scum could be just as forthcoming, however. Beyond that, I have to go off of his reads: he doesn't trust acro and prox, and thinks oats is town. I am in general agreement there. Definitely my weakest read.
3) Sandroba: However much I feel he's playing lazy (he is), I keep coming back to his filter. I do currently believe that he is town. Everything he has done to date has been to provide clarity and insight into reads others have had and the general mechanics of this specific game. He could do this as scum, but I am inclined to believe he could have been a little less helpful and gotten away with it as scum as well. I look forward to seeing his proposed party as this will provide the information I need to help solidify my understanding of his thought process and determine if he truly belongs on this platform. But as it currently stands, I believe him to be town, and am including him on my platform.
A brief note on Dieno: He is playing so badly that many would consider him likely town, as newbie scum tend to play far more cautiously. However, the persistence and singlemindedness with which he's been pushing his campaign (even after repeatedly being warned) and shitting up the thread leaves enough doubt in my head to exclude him. As a newbie town trying to improve he would have changed his gameplan long ago, as a troll he would be more, well, trolly, and as a newbie who doesn't give a shit he would have given up. How he's been playing is just plain sad, to the point where I wonder if what he's been doing is deliberately anti-town as a scum. He most definitely could be town, but I would rather not take such a risk on such an unknown.
So he picked Oats for the obvious towny to gain people's trust, Djo who has always been suspicious to me, and Sandro who has recently come under heavy fire as a scumbag. Not very solid picks IMO. Also, why attack me at the end of it? He doesn't directly call me scum, but it seems as if he is trying to plant some seeds of doubt at least. He ends up switching his party no much later to Djo/Phagga/Dien. Why so flip floppy, I ask? He later revealed that I made the cut solely because of my roleclaim.
Mistake No. 4
+ Show Spoiler +On November 24 2012 01:19 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 01:08 Clarity_nl wrote:
GK how do you feel about Hapa's townread on you? I am not in the least bit surprised that he has made one. But he has come to the correct conclusion, for the right reasons. I do regret that the last few times I've played with him I never took the time to congratulate him, so I'll do so now. He played NMM XXIII spectacularly, and it has been a pleasure to play with him since then. <3 Happa He seems overly relieved to finally have someone call him town. Even threw in a cute little heart there too.
My gut says he started off very scummy, then toned it down a bit after he decided to drop his campaign and try to blend in. He is definitely top 3 on my Mafiadar.
My next target: Sandroba[/quote]
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I think it's time to finalize our scumbag picks.
Syllo, since you are running the show right now, can you give us 4 people to concentrate on?
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Oh and I gave up on my case for sand. I don't see anything extraordinarily alarming about him other than not being very active. This by itself is still VERY SUSPICIOUS behavior, but I think we have some other targets right now that are clearer.
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On November 24 2012 06:11 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 06:09 Dienosore wrote:
Oh and I gave up on my case for sand. I don't see anything extraordinarily alarming about him other than not being very active. This by itself is still VERY SUSPICIOUS behavior, but I think we have some other targets right now that are clearer. who do you want to lynch, then?
GoodKarma
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Another thing about GK, he has been the only person I've said smelled bad who hasn't at least put up a token resistance to my fingerpointing. Everyone else has expressed the desire to discredit my accusation at least once. This makes me feel as if he is avoiding my flashlight.
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Anyone else find it strange that Sandro hasn't actually accused anyone of being scummy? He's done about 10 different town reads, but no mafia reads.
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On November 24 2012 07:18 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2012 07:17 Dienosore wrote:
Anyone else find it strange that Sandro hasn't actually accused anyone of being scummy? He's done about 10 different town reads, but no mafia reads. Closest he came to calling someone scummy was me. Please note that even his townreads lack reasoning.
My maps confirm this. I have him showing aggression towards you, distrust towards Risk.Nuke, and intense aggression towards Prom. Other than those three squiggles, though, everything else has been inbound.
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