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On December 02 2012 09:30 iamperfection wrote: uh he didnt skip the first one he said he doesn't think the things actually attack Well, falling down DOES give you a save point. That's the main advantage to falling down (there's also a chest). However, you only really want to fall down 1 hole, and imho falling down no holes would be better. We're playing mafia, not chrono trigger. | ||
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On December 02 2012 09:35 iamperfection wrote: Where can you play the game? I have it on my iPad. It's a pretty shoddy port, though. If you have a Nintendo DS, that'd be better. That's supposed to be the best version, with cutscenes and stuff. | ||
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Path C looks like it runs straight into the first trap. Path A looks like it runs into the trap in the middle on the left. Path B *might* fall into the trap in the bottom right, but I think it avoids it. ##Ozzie: B We can hit Magus with appropriate spells when he has his shield up, just takes longer. So better safe than sorry, lets use potions. ##Magus: A | ||
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On December 02 2012 20:00 Djodref wrote: Do you think it is possible for us to fail this event even if we are all town players in the party ? Or is it just that the choices we are given are only to determine how much damage we take. For example, we chose Oats as our first attacker against Flea and he didn't claim any damage taken iirc. I plan to claim my actions, my name and my abilities before the night post. But you should only claim if you think you have to and it doesn't put the town at risk. Some people have already pointed to a plausible way for the party system to work that could fail with only town people (if they die along the way, like Dieno just did). Djodreff, you did not claim damage on the first nights. You did not take any? I've been looking at Dieno's filter a bit and have a hard time imagining he shot anybody other than you or GK. Neither of you claimed damage. | ||
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I also did some filter diving on SnB. Anybody who says they have a town read based on meta... I don't see it. If I were to compare this to SSM then sure, however I looked over WLIIA and SnB's scumgame has improved a lot since then. I don't find him coming off "more carefree" now than he did there. That said, I don't see where he is pushing a scu agenda this game. He didn't push Sandro's vote D1. He did like a lynch on Sandro early and he has never wanted to be in a party insofar as I can tell. If he is scum, he has played very carefully. However, SnB's most convincing case in WLIIA is on Mementoss, his scumbuddy. So that is not particularly conclusive either. That leaves just the ability. I really want to know what SnB did on the missing nights: N2 and N5. Dieno's flip also indicates that his math is correct. If we subtract 250 damage from N1 and add a 50 HP heal instead, we are left with 145+475 < 750, so he shouldn't have died N4 and need the "mysterious player" to save him from death. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:25 Promethelax wrote: I assume that Clar actually took 325 damage but since my shield was there it was reduced to 125. Not sure how the notifications would work though. I'd have to ask GreY. This seems very unlikely. However, what would have been the result if clarity was shot during N5. Would the seed still be doing its roleblock thingy? Or would it already be a shield? | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:35 syllogism wrote: I don't know if that's all from mafia, but yes that kind of play makes sense in this format if Djodref is mafia. I have to read the post where Djodref claims the save as claiming makes no sense if you can just stay hidden and protect the player for all eternity. I think at the time of the claim we already had enough "confirmed" townies to form a team. What? You think it makes sense for scum to 1. Blow all their KP on someone they know is unkillable 2. Blow an incredibly strong protection power on town Just to get Djodref into a party? | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:29 Clarity_nl wrote: I want to re-iterate this since you guys didn't seem to understand it: So if I'm 400 hp (pulled out of my ass) and have a 200 hp shield, and take 125 damage, I get the notification that I took 125 damage. What makes you think this? This seems to me like the least logical way of doing it. If you have a 200 hp shield and don't know about it (which you wouldn't in the normal situation where Prom didn't claim), you take 200 damage, you get a report of 0 damage. That seems far more logical. If you take 220 damage, you get a report of receiving 20 damage. Yes, that means damage goes missing in the night reports. However, otherwise you cannot keep even a halfway decent estimate of what your HP is at. Additionally, heals have already been confirmed to work that way. You take 150 damage and a 100 HP heal, you get told you were hit for 50 damage and that you were healed. Why would the shield work any differently? | ||
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Toad needed 11 charges. Even with all events failing, we have so far had 3 events and this is the 4th. Tonight will be N6. So he would've had 10 charges after tonight with all events so far failing and never getting roleblocked. That is STILL not enough to summon Lavos prematurely. It also mentions that he can only do that after we get Epoch, which we do NOT have yet... and given the way the game works, it seems like that will take at least 1 more event to get there (you don't get Epoch after Magus, you go to the prehistory after Magus, then to antiquity and finally to the future where you get Epoch). And Toad could summon Lavos prematurely, meaning there will be a few MORE cycles between getting Epoch and fighting Lavos. Scum had this information and could calculate it from the very start of the game (well, they didn't know how many cycles would have events, but they knew they'd have to wait at least 6 cycles). After running for party leader failed, they might have settled down to play the long game. | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:54 Djodref wrote: Ok, let's get this straight. I took 20 damage cycle 1 and I claimed it at the beginning of cylce 2. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. I took 30 damage cycle 2 and I claimed it at the beginning of cycle 3. Acro, iamp and Clarity have claimed the same damage. Nothing happened to me during the cycle 3 and 4. I claimed that I was going to protect Dieno and and we got the messages from the hosts at the openings of cycles 4 and 5. I insisted that Dieno should be on the team because my ability was to keeping him alive (but at 1HP) every night as long as I was alive. I was healed (heal claimed by iamp) during cycle 5. I took 100 damage from the bosses (Slash and/or Flea) during cycle 6. That's what I forgot to claim. I lied about how my ability worked to force the mafia to waste some KP on Dieno. My only ability this game was a one-time game ability allowing me to keep a player alive as long as I was alive myself. Hence the reason why I wanted to be on the party. Because some protecting me was in fact protecting Dieno and me. Unfortunately, I don't provide protection for daytime damage. I didn't imagine a single moment during the last cycle that we were going to take daytime damage. Or I would have been 100% against Dieno in the party. I knew he was not going to die if I didn't but I didn't expect this at all. Sorry for this situation... I chose Dieno because I thought Masamune would be an important item for us to defeat Lavos so I wanted to keep him alive so he could use it. I'm dispointed right now and you shouldn't waste your time on my filter imo. I claim to have save Dieno twice. No counter-claim and you can see now that I know the mechanics that explain the protection. I'm Alfador, Janus's Cat during the Antiquity or Dark Ages. I had to chose a new master after the disparition of Janus in the time portal created at the manisfestation of Lavos. @Clarity So who is the most frail between us ? When did you use the action to protect Dieno? And why are you roleclaiming now when you could have bamboozled scum into thinking someone like Syllo was protected? | ||
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On December 02 2012 21:56 Promethelax wrote: It would roleblock/vanish like it would the cycle I planted it. If I plant n1 it will role block anyone who visits the target n1, if no one targets the player it is still there n2 where it acts as if it was just planted. n3 it is a shield. Okay, when exactly would it mature into a shield? Right after N2? Or at the end of D3? | ||
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On December 02 2012 22:05 Promethelax wrote: the second night after planting. Trying to translate from flavour to real time. I sent GreY a pm and I'll share whatever I learn from it when I learn it. Acro/syllo: why did scum target me? I'm not calling you scum. In fact, I am trying to give you a chance to point out the various ways in which Clarity could take damage without the shield ability being a lie. However, why do you think scum targeted you? The numbers don't add up if we add the initial reports from you and Syllo together. That makes me think the hosts mixed up a number of actions, or the resolution order or something. It definitely doesn't prove you were targeted by damage. And it proves even less that that damage came from a scum source. | ||
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On December 02 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote: @Acro I decided to use my ability on Dieno during the second cycle. And I roleclaim now because I cannot protect anyone anymore and the mafia attacked Dieno even when I announced that he was protected. I don't want to start lying about protection I cannot give... Okay, so he was either protected during N2, or from cycle 3 onwards. Either way, the message in the daypost only seems to show up if Dieno actually takes damage that would othewise kill him. That leaves damage missing on Dieno if SnB is telling the truth. | ||
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On December 02 2012 22:26 Djodref wrote: Not necessraly, because Dieno could have used his ability "Slurp" and redirected the target to someone else. Dieno did not take any damage D2 but maybe because he managed to redirect the only harmfull action directed against him. I could see Dieno using Slurp on Toad at the end of the cycle 2 for example. No. You're either lying about the way your ability works, or not thinking straight. If you targeted Dieno and your protection is the ability that got randomly moved, then the rest of the game you would be protecting someone other than Dieno. On D4 and D5 the daypost said someone protected Dieno. Either that someone isn't you (seems unlikely) or your ability hit Dieno and stuck there. | ||
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Dieno's claims: 445 damage N1 0 damage N2 (doesn't matter why) 0 damage N3 (doesn't matter why) and healed for an unknown amount. 475 damage N4 I see no reason to doubt these claims given that Dieno flipped town. On neither D3 or D4 dayposts did we get the message that Dieno had been mysteriously protected. We only got that on D5. Dieno had 750 HP. 750 - 445 - 475 = -170 AKA dead (unless the heal was for more than 170, in which case we have multiple discrepancies and things start to get weird again). In this situation it makes sense for the daypost to say Dieno was protected from death on N4, but not before According to SnB's claim, he didn't actually do 250 damage, but instead healed for 50. That leaves: 750 - 145 - 475 = 130 (plus whatever he was healed for). In this situation it makes no sense for the daypost to say Dieno was protected from death on N4, but not before All I was using your claim for was to make sure that N4 was not the first time this ability could kick in. | ||
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On December 02 2012 22:52 Djodref wrote: Sorry, I was talking about S&B ability, not mine. I was persuaded that my ability went trough and stuck on Dieno because I thought he was saved during the second cycle. I thought that the mafia KP missing had been sent on Dieno. In fact, I'm pretty sure now that the mafia targeted syllo and that he was nicely jailed by Keir. Ahhh, okay. However, nobody claimed the damage, meaning it either hit scum or SnB is lying. The only people I can realistically see Dieno targeting on D1 are Djodreff and GK. A big big maybe on CaveJohnson. | ||
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On December 02 2012 22:57 Oatsmaster wrote: Why not Sandro? I targeted him d1 Did you look at Dieno's filter? He never mentions Sandro being scum. | ||
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You state here you have no time to play, yet you don't /out from Paranoia. You then show more activity in 2 days of Paranoia Mafia than 10 days here. Why do you not want to play with us? Are you scum, happy to lurk while the townies accuse each other? | ||
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