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Phagga are you saying that any ability that is used on you, you can use afterwards?
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On November 29 2012 07:44 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 07:41 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 29 2012 07:41 CaveJohnson wrote:On November 29 2012 07:40 Clarity_nl wrote:
Cave will you be around after the new cycle starts? Depends if people hurt me Right, but I mean you'll be at your computer, yes? I don't know what you are trying to do but I would prefer you to save someone else if you don't mind. Confirmed townies carrying items are a priority ^^
If only the world were that simple.
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On November 29 2012 07:46 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 07:44 Clarity_nl wrote:
Phagga are you saying that any ability that is used on you, you can use afterwards? Phagga claiming Golem? I just had to fight that bugger in the game, he was tough. I lost. Got thrown in jail.
That was my first thought.
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I'm not healing anyone, I don't have anymore heals, kind of.
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Dieno.... you didn't send your party to the host.....???!??!?!?
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Yeah, that was cavejohnson. Although 710 damage is a rather bullshit number because he said he had 24 hp.
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I got no pm so I assume nothing happened to me.
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Yeah odds are GK is scum.
Acro do you know what kind of influence you have on mission success rates?
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On November 29 2012 09:18 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 09:17 Clarity_nl wrote:
Yeah odds are GK is scum.
Acro do you know what kind of influence you have on mission success rates? read the thread. Don't ask questions you don't need to ask.
I don't recall acro saying anything related to this but I guess..... fair enough
By the way, "hidden lynch" is code for "cba doing votecounts" isn't it?
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On November 29 2012 09:38 Dienosore wrote:
Well, I'd say the result definitely confirms his 3p claim.
What? No it doesn't. GK could be scum or 3p.
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I think before I go to bed it is fairly safe for me to say this, and this ability benefits from information so:
I have a 1-shot instant ability that returns someone to the state they were in a full cycle ago. This includes health, any status effect and any abilities they had at the time. So if I were to use it on CaveJohnson he would be able to use his 1-shot again, although seeing as toad didn't die that's probably not the best idea.
So I'm crowd sourcing. I don't expect to die this cycle, so what do you guys think would be the best use of my ability? =]
I look forward to hearing some responses. For example: Djo is your protection ability 1shot?
Night all see you tomorrow.
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No I can't bring people back to life, first question I asked. ^^
Night!
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Prome, your case has good points which definitely need to be addressed, but I think even if he is scum gk should be able to put up a reasonable defense. The fact that he has acted the way he has in response however, is much more damning in my eyes. I will have to go over his filter on my own but these two facts on their own make GK scum in my eyes.
That said, lynching toad is still the best course of action, but hey you never know we might get another lynch tomorrow!
@ Dieno
Prome and iamp are right, suck it up and keep playing.
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On November 29 2012 21:54 Acrofales wrote:
@everybody else. I have a question I want answered.
Anybody want to own up to dealing damage to me? I really doubt it was scum: they know I'm not one of them, so have no reason to mistrust my survivor claim and that removes me from their wincon. Scum shots on me are wasted shots.
That leaves town or someone who needs me dead. If it's town, just tell me, I won't be mad. Otherwise I will assume someone needs me dead and take precautions tomorrow night. I have something that sounds like it could be a paranoid gunman ability. I think it'll be fun. Want to play chicken with me, mr X?
@Kita, did you take any damage? I promise I didn't shoot you.
Could you explain what a paranoid gunman ability is? There's a lot of terms flying around that I'm simply not used to.
By the sound of it, you damage anyone who "visits" you?
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Thanks. I should look these things up before asking. Sometimes you guys have your own lingo.
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On November 29 2012 22:27 goodkarma wrote:
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This is why I am so disappointed... Honestly, I expected better of him by now...
You know, I don't understand you making comments like this after addressing everything in his case. If his case was so terrible wouldn't everyone agree with you, and you wouldn't have to address it?
Your disappointment seems forced. I don't see why you're so insistent on bringing up a case prome made on your 6 months ago in a newbie mafia game, and compare it to this case now, other than to be able to say hey look guys, these situations are similar on the surface and I was town then, so I must be town now!
If you were town you would've just said: Prome your case is rather bad because XYZ and then move on.
Instead you were kicking and screaming on the floor all night, and now that you've finally addressed the entirety of his case you are suddenly disappointed.
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On November 29 2012 23:06 syllogism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.
I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand:Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told
You took 50 damage
You were healed. So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability.
Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it?
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On November 29 2012 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 23:06 syllogism wrote:On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.
I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand:Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told
You took 50 damage
You were healed. So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability. Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it?
Oh, because he didn't take the damage. I'll have to rethink this. Thanks for bringing that up syllo
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He's already answered this, at least to me, if you are at full health and get healed you get no notification. It makes the possibility of hapa lying about taking damage extremely likely and I'm ashamed I didn't catch that.
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On November 29 2012 23:16 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 23:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 29 2012 23:06 syllogism wrote:On November 29 2012 06:50 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 28 2012 01:25 Hapahauli wrote:On November 28 2012 01:18 syllogism wrote:
I don't see why mafia would shoot you for massive damage on those two days, when their main priority should be eliminating semi-confirmed townies.
I can't believe you two were healing him anyway, but I perhaps he didn't believe it either. Hapa definitely shouldn't be on a team until this is sorted out. Well both of those guys (clarity and iamp) have town reads on me, so the heals make sense from that perspective. From what I understand:Post-D1: I took 0 damage. Either iamp's claimed heal was completely wasted OR it nullified any damage directed towards me. Post-D2: I took 100 damage. No one healed me (or no one has claimed so), and Toad claimed he shot me for 100. Post-D3: I took 50 damage, and nl_clarity healed me for an undisclosed amount, indicating that I took more than 50 damage. Okay so with the information we have currently this post is false. That's not to say Hapa lied, but he's wrong. Namely the host saying this (at my request) On November 28 2012 02:07 GreYMisT wrote:
IF you take 150 damage and are healed for 100 damage in the same night, you will be told
You took 50 damage
You were healed. So regardless of how much damage you take, if you get healed you get notified of the heal. This means there are a couple of possibilities: 1. Hapa is lying - This wouldn't make a whole lot of sense, regardless of alignment 2. Some ability made it so Hapa cannot be healed (either it was used both times or it is permanent/lasts a couple of cycles. (this would be a scum ability no doubt) 3. Some ability redirects abilities used on hapa to someone else (again, has to be scum or it would have been claimed by now) I think the safe thing to say is that we should not be using heals or protection on hapa anymore, but it does not make him scum as far as I can tell. If someone can see a reason why hapa would be lying about getting healed by townies, please do tell. Why doesn't him lying make sense? It's entirely possible that he lied about taking damage and didn't expect anyone would ever heal him or didn't understand how the mechanic works. He wouldn't be lying about not being healed, he would be lying about taking damage. I find 2) and 3) to make much less sense than 1). Why would mafia target hapa with such abilities when there were much, much better ones available? Basically only third party makes sense, but only really if it was a completely random ability. Because regardless of if you take damage or not, you get told that you get healed. So if hapa, as scum, got healed, why would he not say it? Thats not what i was told. I thought the heal had to do actual healing.
Yeah, please add "as long as he's not full hp" at the end of my sentence.
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