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I took 30 damage, same as Djo. And we both took 20 damage last night. I'm willling to guess we'll take 40 damage tonight.
Anyway, marv I'm guessing you only got notified of any damage you took?
On November 25 2012 15:03 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 14:16 Dienosore wrote:On November 25 2012 07:26 Djodref wrote:
My guess is that we are going to be back at picking a party leader tomorrow. The problem is that I think that the final blow is going to be delivered to Frog tonight so we'll have to find a new "almost confirmed" town player for tomorrow... Why were you so confident I would be dead? I'm beginning to rethink your spot. Oh I just found this! Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 10:27 Djodref wrote:
@marv
I think we can limit ourselves to one party member from the last time. Dieno is the most obvious town in my eyes. I don't know how he is still alive but I would definitively take him in my party. Why does does it surprise you so much that im still alive & kickin?!
Djo he already said he took 425 or 450 dmg last night and another blow like that would cripple him, not kill him.
Anyway good lynch guys! I'm inclined to believe the DT checks on Toad, now the question is, was he an obvious 'framer' target, and if so, does that change the fact that he should die?
The case on hopeless seems pretty damning.
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Dieno, did you take any damage tonight?
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Does that mean you were notified of protection? I ask again, did you take damage?
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On November 25 2012 16:24 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 15:37 Clarity_nl wrote:
Dieno, did you take any damage tonight? Sry, I'd rather not say unless you absolutely demand it of me
Okay that's fine.
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Even with a framer, Oats result might not have changed to being false, it would depend on the phrasing in his PM.
Oats can you tell us if your PM says something along the lines of "Check if two players have the same alignment" or "Checks two players, and you will be told if they show the same alignment"
I'm thinking maybe a framer-like ability will not affect Oat's result.
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The fact that syllo took no damage is surprising, but perhaps scum knew he couldn't be elected today... hmm
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You know the more people call me obvious town the more I'm afraid of getting randomly lynched down the line.
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On November 25 2012 17:17 Dienosore wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 17:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
You know the more people call me obvious town the more I'm afraid of getting randomly lynched down the line. Why would townies lynch a fellow towny? Don't you mean "I'm afraid of getting gunned down in the night."? 
It's more of a joke regarding last game I played in, where the two townies who got night killed both gave me strong town reads, and the third day I got lynched.
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##Vote Dienosore
Just resting my vote here as I believe Dieno is not a bad pick. I might still change it since Djo has a point. Syllo said he got an item and there is quite the chance that Dieno will die after this cycle, so if someone runs for election that I'm willing to back I'll end up switching.
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Haven't heard from marv yet, there's only a specific situation where he'd know about it but I expected it to happen.
I'd rather wait for him to confirm or deny.
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@ Syllo
+ Show Spoiler +On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 01:21 kitaman27 wrote:On November 24 2012 17:22 Promethelax wrote:
Sandroba: please claim why you targeted Syllo with your ability last nigth This is a really important post. In any game I would host or any game that I can recall playing, a player who is roleblocked does not return any results to tracking abilities. As sandroba insists he targeted syllo, but was roleblocked, either one of these two players is lying or prom really needs to clarify his role. Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 03:54 marvellosity wrote:
Although, kita, I will agree with you on this - Prome's absence is completely disgraceful given his earlier revelation and the fact that sandroba is the main wagon. That's pretty much completely unacceptable, whatever real life excuses he'll give us. okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done. My bread crumb should be obvious to anyone looking but here it is: Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 05:40 Promethelax wrote:
Hapa, you will not get my vote today. You come to late to change this election and I don't like that you push us away from Sand/Syllo but don't mention Kita except as a 'joke'
I agree with you that we should not be voting Sand based on his unopposed candidacy and I didn't want to vote Syllo since he seemed intent on bringing Sand with him on the mission. I still prefer Syllo over Sand and will vote him if things get tight, as it is though I am more comfortable with Kita than either of them, his town reads are still strong to me even though he is not as townine in my mind as any of the three he chose to take with him.
In my catching up I saw Kita post something asking why I was voting him if I didn't think he was the best leader. I thought I had made this clear, he was the best leader with a chance of success. If that wasn't clear my apologies, my intention was to communicate that Kita was the least of the evils which were available to me.
I am sending in my night action(s) now. I will be in the thread for another hour.
Syllo: I believe that it is now time for you to announce the members of your team and the reasons for their inclusion. You probably will win this election and I would like to hear your reasons for their inclusion in your team, you may not be able to give us those reads next day since you may be killed by scum/3party. I don't want to block up the thread with a lot of fluf but I think that your reasons would be a worthwhile inclusion that might protect townies from other townies at a later date. this is why I said that I was sending in my night actions there, to be clear that this is where I specified them. I'm saying that I am using my power to protect Syllo and that it will [role]block people who target him. It isn't a brilliant crumb but I think the awkward wording speaks for itself, this is a crumb. I have other powers but this is the one you need to know about. If I place this on a plyer and they are not targeted for a certain number of cycles than it will provide a certain amount of protection against damage from any in game source. That being said I would like to return to game things: Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 02:11 Clarity_nl wrote:
Can someone other than marv confirm that Drazerk would be a coinflip at the point? I have not played with him but the games I have read of his would suggest that this is totally true. Marv is right here. Hapa: you ignored everything I said in response. I think you know better that my actions follow the way I think about the game which, as should be obvious, is not always the dominant way of thinking. Since you haven't responded to me I don't have more to add except that you are a top scum read for me now. I've never seen you, as town, push that someone is scum but also refuse to engage with them. You are more hands on. I expect this disengaged sort of attack from Zbo but not from you. hah, gotcha Sand. In post game I'm going to revel in getting that one right. Just in case anyone wasn't sure.
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On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me  . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing.
I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides.
The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets.
But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced.
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On November 25 2012 18:27 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:22 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 25 2012 18:16 Keirathi wrote:On November 25 2012 18:13 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 18:07 iamperfection wrote:On November 25 2012 18:02 Djodref wrote:On November 25 2012 17:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Clarity, Chronicler claimed the alignment thing not me . Djo, why are you trying so hard to get elected? Do you have strong objections to either me or diens party? I would take diens party but with me as leader because I would survive longer My objection is that I don't want ton concentrate too much of the town assets on newbie players like you. I don't want to loose too much when the mafia or Lavos manage to kill you or Dieno. why are we making an assumption that the assets would be better in their hands anyways? Also why would the mafia have an easier time killing oats or anyone else for that matter? 1. we dont know if a so called vet having the item is any better than a so called newer player 2. we dont know the roles of our fellow members that could be more beneficial against the lavos. 1. I'm sure a vet would make a better use of the item than the newbie. But I have no idea of the relation between item/character. 2. Me neither but I assume that it is safer to trust the vets to take better decisions than the newbies to fight Lavos, regardless of their roles and abilities. You're making a lot of assumptions that don't make logical sense. It's quite possible that whatever the 'gift' is ONLY works on Lavos, in which case it doesn't matter WHO has it. Also, we don't even know that its something you can 'use' anyways. Maybe its just a buff to all abilities used against Lavos. Or maybe its a debuff on Lavos that does something else. You're assuming too much when you know absolutely nothing. I think if you list all the possibilities of what this "gift" might be, and then answer the question "if the gift is X, does it matter if it's on a vet or not?" odds are the answer will be yes most of the time, and even if it wasn't most of the time it would still have no downsides. The only BIG downside right now is that our two close-to-confirmed town are Oats and Dieno. Who are not vets. But the argument "you don't know enough to make that call" is a bit misplaced. I disagree with you almost completely. The only time I think it could really make any difference on vets vs newbies is if its something like "You get a free vig shot" or something that requires the newbie to make a read, where the might not be as experienced making those kinds of decisions. My opinion is that the gifts likely aren't anything like that. But again, we don't fucking know. This is all pointless setup speculation.
You disagree very strongly yet you name something that would be better on a vet than a non-vet.....
Can you name something that would be better on a non-vet than a vet?
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I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect.
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On November 25 2012 18:42 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 18:38 Clarity_nl wrote:
I disagree with that argument Djo because our medic roles also have an easier time deciding who to protect. Yeah, okay, I didn't think it from the medic point of view. Good point... Would you rather vote Oats or Dieno for a party leader then ^
I think both would be decent choices, as I said though if a vet convinces me he is town and is willing to lead I would pick him.
Currently my vote is on Dieno but I might change is just because Oats just claimed he's full hp, and Dieno not so much.
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On November 25 2012 20:20 syllogism wrote:
Yeah sure.
I'm fairly certain that Prom is mafia and that his first claimed ability is real. The one he is claiming now is completely ridiculous as a town ability. It is so strong that even if it was a real ability, I don't see a town aligned player claiming it like that. Sandroba was headed for a lynch and we didn't need additional information to secure the lynch. Both of his abilities could be real, but the mass roleblock ability is extremely unlikely to be an ability of a town aligned role.
I think bussing is the strongest ability Sandro had and it is very likely that it is the one he used (although frame bus is a bit ambigious). Prom targeted marv n1 with his rb+track or whatever ability. Right now I don't quite understand why he decided to change his claim, but I guess one possibility is to make marv look slightly suspicious/force him to claim and perhaps he thinks he gets more town cred like this.
Isn't the ability he describes basically a jailkeeper ability?
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On November 25 2012 20:29 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2012 20:28 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 25 2012 20:20 syllogism wrote:
Yeah sure.
I'm fairly certain that Prom is mafia and that his first claimed ability is real. The one he is claiming now is completely ridiculous as a town ability. It is so strong that even if it was a real ability, I don't see a town aligned player claiming it like that. Sandroba was headed for a lynch and we didn't need additional information to secure the lynch. Both of his abilities could be real, but the mass roleblock ability is extremely unlikely to be an ability of a town aligned role.
I think bussing is the strongest ability Sandro had and it is very likely that it is the one he used (although frame bus is a bit ambigious). Prom targeted marv n1 with his rb+track or whatever ability. Right now I don't quite understand why he decided to change his claim, but I guess one possibility is to make marv look slightly suspicious/force him to claim and perhaps he thinks he gets more town cred like this. Isn't the ability he describes basically a jailkeeper ability? I've thought about it that way but that isn't entirely true. Instead if rb'ing the guy I target I rb the people who target him.
Right, so the only difference is that if somehow people are trying to use multiple abilities, and one of them is used on your target then it won't happen.
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On November 25 2012 20:42 Hassybaby wrote:9
If anyone knows what the countdown is I would love it if you told us.
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On November 25 2012 09:32 Promethelax wrote:
okay, it seems that my role is pretty contentious for Kita and Kier (and probably everyone else who has a name that stars with K) the ability I used last night Roleblocks all players who target a single player with their actions. I took a gamble and assumed that I was the only one with a roleblocking ability because only two people claimed RB'd and I assumed that they both targeted Syllo. I did not want to reveal why I knew that those players targeted Syllo or the correlation with the roleblocks (this is why I haven't yet confronted marv about his targeting Syllo but now that the cat is out of the bag: Marv, what were you trying to do to the Great Leader?). I decided to gamble that i was right and that Sand had targeted Syllo (50% chance at least just from there being only two RB claims) and force him to claim what he had done.
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Why, though?
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On November 25 2012 20:49 Promethelax wrote:
I assume it is a countdown to Lavos but I want to know what tim it was supposed to be posted in case it is related to something we say. Lie if every time we say "stupid fucking butt monkey" or something it gets lower and at the end...?something bad I assume.
Nah it's not a countdown to Lavos unless he shows up 3rd cycle which seems way too fast, especially since the only death so far was a lynch.
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