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Kickstart
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Kickstart
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This is getting really, really, old. This is a game of logic - if you are making a case on someone that is fucking horrid, I am calling you on it - get over it. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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I like you, Kickstart. I'm really starting to like you. Logic trumps all. I'm just surprised nobody else is like lolthiscaseisterrible. | ||
yamato77
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Your A point is null because as scum you would know I'm a mislynch. WIFOM or not, it is true. It's also just a summary of what I've already quoted, which you ADMIT was bad play. Your B point is plainly false. You switching votes is to get away from suspicion. You can always look back and blame the Munk mislynch on something else. However, if you kept after me and I got lynched, the heat would be on you when I flip town. You not knowing whether I am a mislynch or not should KEEP you on my case not make you waffle and wagon on Munk. | ||
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yamato77
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On November 28 2012 01:06 Kickstart wrote: Okay from here on out I am going to lie to everyone and tell you that your crap cases are all ironclad, have no logical holes, and are all valid and we should lynch whoever you make the case on. Is that what people fucking want from me? I honestly don't understand this "OMG WHY YOU KEEP DEFENDING" bullshit. If a case is bad, it is bad - irregardless of whether or not I say it or not, it just seems I am the only one being honest and calling out shit cases when they are made. This is getting really, really, old. This is a game of logic - if you are making a case on someone that is fucking horrid, I am calling you on it - get over it. You didn't call my case bad you said it could be applied to other people. I know you're responding to CC but this doesn't make sense when he's asking you why you're defending yourself against MY case, which you have said is valid. So which is it, is my case against CC bad or is it that it could be applied to other people ( a point that I've challenged)? | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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Munk-E got lynched because town fucked up, in part due to basically everyone failing to establish their townieness. I agree with this post and it's exactly how I felt during D1. I'll even go so far to it's a quite townie post by Aqua. I've played a lot of scum but I've never felt this way. As scum you tend to always have some problem in seeing scumminess because you know everyone is townie. This post doesn't seem to come from a scum mindset imo, at least not the scum mindset I've had in my games. On November 27 2012 16:48 Aquanim wrote: EBWOP: It is my opinion (though this may alter a little after reread) that not many people in this game are doing things which are hard for scum to fake. Aqua his hard to get a good read on because he tends not to be around for a lot of discussions, around EOD etc. I might get back with more comments on him. | ||
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yamato77
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Kickstart
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yamato77
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On November 28 2012 01:21 Kickstart wrote: The fact that is can be applied to anyone inherently makes it a bad case when applied to one person. I don't think it can be applied to everyone. As I've told you before, you need to prove that point by applying it to someone else IN SPECIFIC. No one else has acted exactly as CC in my opinion, and if they have, you should point it out instead of discrediting my case against CC. If you agree with the logic of the case, you can't just call it "bad". | ||
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An example of the logic of a case being sound but someone not agreeing with the case is my "case" ( I guess it is better classified as just a general read I have been pushing rather than a case) is my reads on Oats. Everyone agrees that his posting has been suspicious and if town it has been poor town posting, but no one seems to agree with me that he is scum. They agree with my points - he is posting shit, but not with my "case" that this makes him the top scum read right now. | ||
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yamato77
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I pushed for Munk's lynch. His behavior looked odd and sheepish. It's unfortunate he didn't post more or we might have been able to avoid lynching him. Also, I am not sold on Oats as town or scum. His play is too erratic to read that well for me. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Warning: If you are allergic to terrible scum play, do not look directly at the quotes in this post. Please consult your doctor before using or witnessing bad scum plays. Stating the Obvious: On November 25 2012 11:33 Oatsmaster wrote: I think that accurate day 1 reads are difficult to make due to the low sample size and if we lynch the lurkers, everyone has to contribute which will help in making more accurate reads. As one of the first posts, Oats states the obvious. What is the purpose in giving us information that we already know? Why do you want to lynch a lurker so much D1 -- because you know scum will be active? Contradiction: On November 25 2012 12:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes totally agree with Cheesecake. only 5/9 are here, where are the rest On November 25 2012 13:23 Oatsmaster wrote: I got a scum feeling from cheesecake with his first 2 posts, I suggest we lynch him So you agree with me, but then get a scum feeling at the same time. Okay brah. If you think I'm scum, you really shouldn't be agreeing with me at all. I've got this feeling, this wonderful feeling: On November 25 2012 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote: Im seriously not sarcastic. Seriously. Its a feeling, I cant base it off anything though :/ What kind of town feels someone is scum, but can't base it off of ANYTHING? This is even contradictory in itself, because he later said that he found my 3rd question answer scummy, but here he can't base it off of anything... On November 25 2012 21:40 Oatsmaster wrote: Kickstart, I am saying you OMGUS voted me. Which you did. I would love to make a case on Cheesecake if he posted more than 10 posts... My vote in cheese is based on FEELING. Your vote on me is because you think that my vote is bullshit. Therefore, you OMGUS me :l Refusal to give any evidence: On November 25 2012 22:47 Oatsmaster wrote: OH YES FINALLY, you say why my behaviour is scummy. :D My explanation is that his first 2 posts seem off. What do you want? Cheesecake posted less than 10 posts, how can you garner any evidence from that? How can you garner any evidence from my posts, then? Why are you voting me if literally nothing can be found in my posts? His "explanation" of voting me: On November 25 2012 23:26 Oatsmaster wrote: LOL kickstart learning from the vets huh. there are like 4 pages of content, I challenge you to find a case out of that. A proper case that has scum reasons for certain posts. ok about cheesecake This post looks like he is being light-hearted, especially with the Pie and Cheesecake question. I feel that it is an act, the post looks VERY deliberate in being casual. Then here, a reason for people to be lurking is because we havent called them out. He basically says, I will lynch a lurker/anybody. Which is good reason to hop onto any bandwagon that is benefical for scum. Like lynching an inactive town/active but bad town Firstly, a scumread based on my Pie or Cheesecake question? That's the sort of thing townies overlook because it's a null tell either way. Why is Oats so focused on it? Why does he think it's so deliberately casual? What an easy thing for a scum to nitpick on. Secondly, he blatantly misinterprets my quote. Where did I say I will lynch anybody??? Nowhere. I said I would lynch a lurker if I had to (which, incidently, I kinda was). The only thing I was saying was I don't want people to lurk. He's trying to find shit that isn't there... Whatever this post is: On November 26 2012 00:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Cheesecake, you completely miss the point about the first post. I said you are TRYING too hard to be casual and it ends up looking fake. So therefore you are scum trying to gain town image by starting a discussion. However, the discussion has nothing to do with scum reads and such, it is basically fluff that you want from your questions. so I think that you are scum because you APPEAR to be helping town when in actual fact, you are putting up a facade. So much WIFOM it's hilarious. Also, what about lurker lynching is fluff??? That's how almost every game starts (and sometimes drags on forever...) The only thing that is fluff is the joke question, but even then it's one word. Get over it. If you're seriously basing a case on me over a joke question, it's such a desperate play. On November 26 2012 10:40 Oatsmaster wrote: I made that case so that you guys could see how bad of a case it was.. And it got bashed horrendously. Thanks for seeing my point of view. Im still on the fence about Cheesecake because he hasnt actually posted any reads, just responded to people. I am inclined to think that SDM is town because he made a longass post on CC. Lol who does that? If you made that case to be purposefully bad--Why is your vote still on me for most of D1? On November 26 2012 16:05 Oatsmaster wrote: I have a strong feeling that he is scum. I cant prove it due to having less than 10 posts to analyse. On the fence means that I didnt see anything from him to change my vote. Okay so you made the case so people could see how bad it was... but you still have a "strong feeling" I'm scum? And you still can't prove it. If you truly made that case to be purposefully bad, what is the town motivation for doing so? I really can't think of any. On November 26 2012 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote: nah, I think that he was kinda sad about the mafia game because he got played, so now he is trying to make sure that it doesnt happen to him again. Looking through Cheesecake's filter right now. This posts seems completely irrelevent, why post such a long post if you have a null read on them? To give you an excuse to get off their back. Then he calls Yamato hypocritical when in fact, he is doing the same thing. He has not commented on either kickstart's vote on me or the other people on Yamato. What an easy point to make. I make a post calling someone neutral, and therefore I'm slightly suspicious of them. There is literally no town motivation for condemning this post. The second part of this quote is soft-defending Yamato, and doesn't even address the fact that the timing of Yamato's post is Clarity-class scummy. I was not even doing close to the same thing. Le vote post: On November 27 2012 11:25 Oatsmaster wrote: LOL ok nice job kickstart. vitrol and fire is a good way to play as town. :D CC is unusually uncaring about my vote and the fact that no one thinks that I am scum/ he is town. I think that the best lynch for today is Munk-e ##Unvote ##Vote: Munk-E Blatant sheep onto Munk-E. Why not Yamato?? Doesn't even mention the other case one bit. This bullshit: On November 27 2012 12:03 Oatsmaster wrote: well. 1 down, 5 to go. Town motivation for making this post: Zero. A joke? Really? Just after a townie is lynched, he shows no remorse at all and cracks a joke. Something like this is either a blatant scumslip, an arrogant townie, or something that belongs in his QT (they actually aren't that hard to mess up, I almost did it in xxix) On November 27 2012 12:32 Oatsmaster wrote: So vote CC anyone? also yeah how the hell would I mispost that when the 2 sites look TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Actually I think out of everyone who didnt vote for Munk-e, aqua looks the scummiest Wtf are you trying to do here, Oats? Spread suspicion on me, for what? Says aqua is the scummiest but doesn't even give evidence to the matter. On November 27 2012 13:08 Oatsmaster wrote: the QT site and TL. Google it. Kickstart has been emotionally invested defending CC and attacking me. Scum will be more detached because they know that I am town and thus, are not as convinced. Aqua is the only other dude so by process of elimination, he is the scummiest. I will look through his filter later and see whats in there LOL what kind of town has a scumread based on process of elimination?!?! I remember Debears and I trying to find mislynch targets by eliminating the most towny-looking candidates by this process. On November 27 2012 16:12 Oatsmaster wrote: So there is 1 mafia in kickstart or Aqua right? Can you make a case on either one? I cant. Are you SERIOUS? You think Aqua is the scummiest, but can't bear the effort to make a case or even A POINT against him? Don't get the town to do your dirty work for you. On November 27 2012 00:12 Oatsmaster wrote: I am content to sit on cheese? I started the wagon. So kickstart, who do you think is scum then? after your rant and hopefully your emotions are cooled This just screams "I don't care what townie is lynched, this one will do." You obviously don't give two shits who is lynched. Why don't you want change your opinion? Prolly afraid of coming off as scummy because you're reiterating that you've started the wagon. And finally: On November 27 2012 22:41 Oatsmaster wrote: if scum kills tonight, 4 v 2. Mislynch 3 v 2, kill again, 2 v 2. so yeah.. lets get working. Debears personally told me not to do this in the thread as scum. Town do not think about a lylo situation ahead of time. Town aren't concerned with the state of affairs if x or y happens with nk's and mislynches. Our goal is to find scum, not dwell over the useless. The only people thinking about a lylo two days ahead of time are scum. Just a quick draft prolly some mistakes in there, but you guys get the drift. Lol @ all the stuff Yamato is trying to promote now that I refresh. I'll get started right away. | ||
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Kickstart
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 27 2012 21:41 Aquanim wrote: So, what's to be learned from this? One question is: what happened to the Yamato lynch? Up until four hours before lynch Yamato was leading Munk-E in the lynch stakes. @everyone who switched from Yamato to Munk-E (in other words, everyone except Kickstart): Why did you switch? And for that matter, Kickstart, why didn't you switch? I don't particularly like this broad question and I don't particularly think voting for Munk-E was scummy. I think it's much better to focus on someone who actually did look really scummy during the voting, throwing out those questions makes it so easy for scum to slip by in a sea of answers. My explanation: + Show Spoiler + I was one of the first to express suspicion of Yamato (I actually think Aqua was the first but I can't be bothered to go back and check). I later made the case against Cake, which I thought was pretty good but after Cake had responded didn't feel was strong enough. When I made the case against Cake, Yamato sheeped it hard with really poor motivation, which made me switch to him since I had already been suspicious of him. When Yamato started explaining himself I got the feeling he was genuine. Yes, this is kind of abstract, but I thought his effort to change read townie. Also, Yamato expressed before the game started that Marv was his role model for town play. From what I've seen from Marv he tends to post a lot of one-liners, so I was getting the feeling yamato had tried the Marv strat, it had backfired, and now he was feeling bad because he had fucked up. He explained what his thought process through-out the game and tried to be more transparent than his one-liners had been. Some attacked him for just restating events, but I thought his way of explaining himself was rather good. What was still lacking was original cases, but I let that slip by because making original cases while defending himself isn't really that easy (and honestly, when it comes to a lack of original cases he had competition of a lot of other players). (As an aside, the Yamato wagon still gained momentum even after I jumped off. I thought his response to this wagon was rather townie. This is getting really long-winded so I won't go into detail, but for obvious reasons this part of the defense had nothing to do with me switching to Munk-E At that point I switched to Munk-E. He really had shown no effort and I convinced myself he was an ok vote. I still think he was a better vote than Yamato, but I also still think it was a bad vote in the sense it was a coin-flip. Like I said at the time, it was a cop out and admitting that I couldn't find a good scum read. Basically a policy lynch. Now Aqua, I'm a bit curious about your vote on Munk-E. If found it weird. If I recall correctly, you made a short post voting for Munk-E. Then 45 minutes later you had typed out a long-ass case on Kick. I know those posts take a lot of time to write. Did you really read through Kicks filter, decide he was scummy, type up that post with all the formatting and stuff all in 45 minutes? If yes, then it seems you couldn't have put a lot of thought into your case and weighing it against other possibilities (weird considering how confident you seemed it was the best case out there). | ||
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Sonic Death Monkey
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Sonic Death Monkey
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On November 27 2012 22:32 JacobStrangelove wrote: Something I came across in the thread. Did oats ever give a reason for saying 1 down 5 to go? Sure it's unlikely that it would happen as mafia normally are far to careful but why on earth would you say something like that. On November 27 2012 22:33 Oatsmaster wrote: ITS A FUCKING JOKE GUYS. GIVE IT A BREAK. Wow, responds within one minute as soon as you're called out, even though you hadn't been posting in the thread for several hours. Lurking much? | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
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