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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 13:40 GMT
#541
who pissed in your food today kickstart?
Fine we mislynched.
All we gotta do is get the next one.
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 13:40 GMT
#542
We can't mislynch tommorow?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 13:40 GMT
#543
Yikes
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 13:41 GMT
#544
if scum kills tonight, 4 v 2. Mislynch 3 v 2, kill again, 2 v 2.
so yeah.. lets get working.
No gg, No skill.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 27 2012 13:42 GMT
#545
Mr. Cheesecake is not here to explain his reasons for switching.

Good, because I want to be the FIRST to point out that his decision making is TERRIBLE from a town standpoint.

First, we'll take his major line of reasoning this game seriously and assume he actually thinks I am scum (lolk). Then these three posts make no sense at all.

On November 27 2012 07:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2012 07:10 yamato77 wrote:
Aqua has given thoughts on other topics besides kick.

If I read you as scum, then Oats is automatically less so because I highly doubt scum would do this to their partner day 1. But the possibility is that he is scum and you are not.

Helo hasn't exactly done anything particularly scummy even if Munk is town. He called out a lurker. A safe play, but not alignment indicative.

I don't even know why I type this. You aren't going to take anything I say seriously. You have tunneled me SO HARD this game. It's absurd. I'm frustrated because of futility in posting anything in response to you because everyone twists it into "defending myself" when I do things like this. It creates unproductive discussion about my intentions. Obviously I know they are town, but no one else believes me because YOU have managed to throw enough doubt on my alignment to make people see it as scum.


?????????? How do you "Obviously know" people are town ??????????????


On November 27 2012 07:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: Kickstart


Not sure if scumtrapped, or didn't read yamato's post before commenting.


On November 27 2012 07:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Hm, pretty confused right now. Thought a scum yamato would be all over that scumtrap claim on Kick. Instead he does the town thing and actually questions if it's a scumtrap. Idk if Kick jumped on it because he just wanted more evidence for a mislynch or genuinely misread it. The fallacy of the evening, children.

##Unvote

Might just have to go with Munk. Not a clue right now. People be sheeping onto my Yamato case hardcore. Trying to sniff out what's going on here... it's a smelly smell that smells.... smelly.


Was that honestly his plan to prove I was scum? Only a scum yamato would follow a logically terrible sequence of events? Looks like a scum trying to cover up an overreaction to a misread line. He then goes on to completely ignore the real argument I made in that post, which I will reiterate here. A ton of his language this game has been focused on making me look less credible. I might be "newbie town", but I can still read. But as soon as I say my read on him isn't that scummy...

On November 27 2012 08:19 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
This sucks. The only reason I'm doubting my read on Yamato is because I feel like I did this exact thing to Djo. I'll feel so guilty if he flips green. And I have to leave soon so I can't see this play out =\

My vote is between munk, yamato, and Oats (because he is so flip floppy and barely/refuses to back up anything he has)


On November 27 2012 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Okay I have to leave... I doubt I'll return before lynch time.

I'm trying to come up with scenarios that will play well in my head if either guy flips town. I think the lesser of the two evils is Munk at this point, simply due to passiveness and ultra mega sheepy attitude. People rolling their face over Yamato because of my few posts doesn't sit well with me...

Crap, I hope this ain't a mistake.

##Vote: Munk-E

The Cheese will take his leave. Best of luck guys.


Completely removing himself from responsibility for his vote. As he said earlier, apparently only scum cares about looking scum. So why all the wishy-washy behavior about your vote on me? Why would you feel guilty if you are so convinced I am scum? Because in reality, you know I'm not. And if I flip green after this, and you were the one pushing this case that hardcore, people are going to look at YOU. And all this was after he posted this comment about me:


On November 27 2012 06:28 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I see no reason I should take my vote off of him.


Something does smell smelly, sir, and it's CHEESECAKE.
Writer@WriterYamato
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 13:45 GMT
#546
Going though kicks filter we have raging at bad posting and defending cheese. Defending himself, then we have a list. Mafia LOVE lists lists are the easiest way in the book to post reads without having to commit so much and look like you are doing something. Then filler content for the rest (imo) we also have a messed up meta and yes it is a noobie game but meta actually is larger than you give credit for.

Also oats have ye no faith in your medic /jailkeeper assuming we have both or one of or any to be completely honest or several medics...
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 27 2012 13:49 GMT
#547
I am going to sleep now, Ill see about kickstart tommorow but I think we should ignore him for the time being.
No gg, No skill.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 13:50 GMT
#548
Why are we ignoring kickstart! But yeah to the post above looked into cheese however received only jumbled notes in return so I am glad you sorted it from your perspective.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 27 2012 13:56 GMT
#549
On November 27 2012 22:50 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Why are we ignoring kickstart! But yeah to the post above looked into cheese however received only jumbled notes in return so I am glad you sorted it from your perspective.

If you have a different read I would love to hear why.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 27 2012 13:56 GMT
#550
EBWOP: Also, I'm not ignoring kickstart at all.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 27 2012 13:59 GMT
#551
On November 27 2012 21:55 Kickstart wrote:
Well I didn't switch because I had a scumread on Oats and Yamato. The objective of the game is to lynch the scum, not to get rid of lurkers. I already expressed that it was a shame that Munk-E had been lurking but lynching a lurker is a coin-flip, one I didn't really want to be a part of. And since my top scumread was not going to get any other votes behind it, I put my vote behind who I felt was more likely scum instead of putting my vote on a coin flip.

It's funny that your two scum reads are two people that have consistently gone after Cheesecake.

Honestly, what about me reads scum? Make a real case. ANYONE.
Writer@WriterYamato
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 14:00 GMT
#552
Hey quick question is this your first game yamato?
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 27 2012 14:03 GMT
#553
100% my first game.
Writer@WriterYamato
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 14:05 GMT
#554
I think you may have fallen into the trap I fell into the first time I played, initially I thought you were scummy because you weren't contributing and calling others out for that. However that is less likely a scum move (they would be more careful even on first game) and more likely a new town move. I my first game (as town) I THOUGHT I was contributing and because someone called me out for it I tunneled them all game because I knew my intentions were fine I just didn't realize It wasn't clear for everyone else to see. While you haven't exactly done that it might explain the hypocrisy. I need to re read the cases on you but, for now I am far more focused on kick and now cheese a little.
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 27 2012 14:06 GMT
#555
You shouldn't be ignoring anyone at this point, me included. Jacob you just won't get off of this spiel that I am raging and hard core defended cheese, neither of which is true and both of which I feel I have adequately defended. You say I keep defending myself yet you keep throwing the same untrue and rehashed statements at me so I am forced to address them. Please, if you have ANYTHING new against me then make a case, otherwise stop saying I am raging and that I hard defended cheese, because again neither is true and I have addressed both - it is best to not have the same discussion over and over again once I have already addressed it numerous times (unless of course for some reason you want to stay on old arguments and not move on? - which is 100% scum tell). And Yes i posted a list because I was asked to give reads on everyone, so I did. I have tried my best to be nothing but honest and answer every question put to me as best I can - but I have also given fairly detailed posts on why I think my top scum reads were scum.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 14:08 GMT
#556
Humor me and link to those posts.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 27 2012 14:09 GMT
#557
On November 27 2012 23:08 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Humor me and link to those posts.

He can't, because they don't exist. Besides his ranting on Oats he hasn't given any detailed reasons as to why he voted for me.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
November 27 2012 14:10 GMT
#558
EBWOP: as to why he has his top scumreads, and why he voted for me.
Writer@WriterYamato
Kickstart
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1941 Posts
November 27 2012 14:11 GMT
#559
If I must, but if you read my filter as much as you say you have surely you can't have missed my largest post numerous times.
On November 27 2012 00:09 Kickstart wrote:
Ah I get to wake up to a case on me and many questions to answer, have to say I wasn't anticipating that. I am catching crap for "defending cheese". First off I am suspicious of everyone and no one at this point is confirmed town, but if me pointing out that the cases against him are absolute SHIT, then you can claim I am defending him, but saying that a case is founded on bad logic or that I don't agree with the case is hardly scummy.
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On November 26 2012 05:35 Kickstart wrote:
In regards to your case on cheesecake SDM, I am personally not a fan of meta cases (they did not go well at all in my last game lol), I am much more interested in a players activity in this game. I have to agree on the point that he has echoed what has already been said in the thread, I just personally think it is a null tell at this point.

Right now I really need to hear more from the people lurking, they've had almost a day at this point to post something of substance and engage in some conversation.

Show nested quote +
On November 26 2012 06:00 Kickstart wrote:
I just haven't had good experience with meta-cases, plus since this is a noobie mini I wonder if there is really enough of a history on any player for a meta case to actually hold much weight. To be fair though I haven't played with any of the people in this game so I would really have to read up on them to formulate an opinion on meta cases unless people pulled extensive posts from the other games - but that is asking a bit much this early imo. That is basically why I said I am more interested in this game, but of course a solid case is a solid case, so if one can be made using someones performance in past games go for it. Interested in reading Cheese defense though.

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On November 26 2012 06:03 Kickstart wrote:
Was ninja's by cheese! But he basically defended as I thought - how can you make a meta case on someone who only has two game, one as each faction ;/.

There are all the posts where I "defend" cheese, and all they say is meta cases in a noobie game where the person has only played one game each as town and scum is not worth anything to me. If you disagree then whatever, but me saying this is hardly scum, it is me trying to be a logical town. I am not going to just let shit cases fly on people when I don't think the cases hold any weight.

With that being said, I will explain why Aquas case on me is also shit. So he decides to start out by going after my first post as useless, content-less, and just a space filler. Well I take offence to that, especially given the posts of the majority of people in this thread. I think my post:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2012 17:20 Kickstart wrote:
Hello all,
This is my second game, my first game was mario mini mafia where town won! (we lynched mafia first day and shot one first night, hopefully we can do the same here!) you can see the game here if you want to check my filter: Mario Mini Mafia
On the lurker lynch policy, I think scum reads should trump everything because the goal of the game is to find the scum. If someone doesn't post at all then they will likely get modkilled/replaced anyways, and if someone isn't posting much at all then we need to pressure them more. But yeah if someone is hardly posting and we have nothing else to go off of then that person would be a good D1 lynch. On that note we shouldn't get bogged down in policy talk too much because it is easy for mafia to hide in it (everyone can just be like "oh yeah mmhmm lets do that that sounds good" without contributing anything at all or can just keep the policy talk going on for awhile so that no other discussion is being had.
And cheesecake all the way.

@ Oatsmaster
If you really have a scum read on Mr.Cheesecake then you need to make a case on him that tries to persuade us all. Posting "I have a feeling he is scum" is not going to make anyone throw their vote on him. Would you maybe expand a bit on why you think he is suspicious or if you still do?

Is much better than almost anyone's first post, and it has substance. I quickly say what needs to be said about policy because focusing on it too much is horrid as town, and I point out some shit play coming out from oatsmaster.

Then I get accused of "lurking" because I didn't post for four hours. I am not sure if this is a serious accusation or him grasping at straws to try and make a case. But frankly it is ridiculous, it is the start of the game, I posted a perfectly good introduction post that asked questions of people, and I was waiting for the answer. How you could possibly accuse ME of lurking in this thread is beyond me given the activity that I have had compared to others. But I will write it off as an attempt to bolster your "case" on me.

Then the rest of your "case" is just me going after Oatsmaster in an opportunistic way. For one, I am the FIRST person who was telling him to step up his posts in the beginning and I called him out for giving a half-assed vote without ANY explanation. AND HE IS STILL FUCKING DO IT, LOOK AT HIS RECENT POST:
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On November 26 2012 16:05 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have a strong feeling that he is scum. I cant prove it due to having less than 10 posts to analyse.
On the fence means that I didnt see anything from him to change my vote.

Really? I pointed out the fact that saying "well there isn't much to go off of" and then saying you feel he is scum is really, really, silly - but Oats just continues to tunnel Cheese. I have just pointed out that Oats is playing horrible and that I am suspicious of it. And my case on Oats is not meaningless as you would like to paint it to be, look at his posting - completely confusing and doesn't drive any discussion at all; he is then asked to please give some real reasons and sound logic for his votes and he refuses while just continuing to post nothing of substance. And it also seems to me that a shitty wagon on Cheese has formed that he is all too keen to sit on.
Now again I must say I don't know if Cheese is town or not, but the case against him is crap and not convincing to me at all. Could he still be scum? Yes, but I won't be voting on crap cases, and other than a few horrible cases on him there is nothing; as is the case with this "case" on me.


Here I address the only actual case ever made against me and addressed both points that you are still accusing me of (hard defending cheese and raging at oats).
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
November 27 2012 14:14 GMT
#560
Cool now can I have your indepth cases on other people?
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