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On November 06 2012 11:15 Obzy wrote:
Hm. I think if you're banking on me upping my play and showing off hidden skills, you'll be disappointed.
I don't expect you to turn into a debears case making machine over night, or ever, you can have your own play style. Hell, I can't do that shit either, it tires me the hell out. I just expect some more edge. Blending doesn't help town, it's a scum move. Lead smaller cases, bring new points to the table, put yourself out there instead of playing it safe. That's all I ask if you're town.
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@Sylver
Why did you stay on cheese when you had a chance to vote on debears, who you thought was scummier?
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On November 06 2012 11:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad
First, he didn't want to discuss about my me being scummy in his eyes with me 17 hours before lynch. (1)Why would you like to retain information at that time ?
(2)My point is that he didn't want to discuss and you have been bitching me to hell last game when I said "I'm not going to change my mind". I think not willing to discuss is way worse than not wanting to change your mind.
Second, this guy said I trapped him not posting his case against me. That's a lie because I gave him a fair warning like 17h before the lynch but even if he was town and felt trapped and bullied by a guy who he thinks scum, I'm saying that there are just more reasons for him to post his case against me. But he doesn't post it because it's going to look bad and because I won't have time to defend myself which was his first point to not discuss with me at the beginning.
What I think:
His case against me is bad and weak and he knows this because he is scum and I'm town. What would you do if one your top scumread was bullying you so you cannot post your case without looking bad and proposing himself for a lynch candidate. I would personally add this points in my case and take the risk to be mislynch to show everyone what fucking bastard he is. Clarity has shown way too much self-preservation instinct and he didn't want to commit like any townie should do. And the alternative case he made was against debears, another town guy.
1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious.
2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever)
As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy).
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On November 06 2012 12:07 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:
Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game? @ RadWhen did you realize he was claiming VT ? With the first claim or the second claim or when he was explicit with it. What did you think of it at that time ?
I realized with this post:
On November 05 2012 06:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 06:42 Alsn wrote:
##Unvote
I'm more and more convinced that I may have been wrong about debears. Upon closer inspection I realised that his early FoS in XXIX was against a scum buddy of his, meaning he never planned to follow through on it. So he must have had different reasons for FoSing me early this game. In addition, I have to concede that even if he may have been a bit brusque in his attitude towards some of the newer players, it has indeed gotten them to talk, something which is undoubtedly good for town.
I also may have overestimated the importance of his vote switching. The fact that he did find sylver scummy and then kept arguing with him about it should probably be a town tell, seeing as it revealed a lot of what sylver claimed to be his motivations for voting was.
The problem now though is, I'm not yet convinced that Clarity is scummy, but at this point I don't know who else to vote. I definitely think that Clarity's behaviour seems weird, he didn't really commit to any strong stance until he was pressured to do so by being voted. Yet we could say the same thing about Cheese or even Rad as they've been getting away with "blending in" almost as much as Clarity in my opinion. Cheese's only major stance he has taken yet has been to FoS Djod because Djod thought Cheese joking was scummy, yet what else? Soft-disagreeing with both the lynches because they may or may not be scum?
Not to mention the fact that Cheese isn't even trying to push a Djod lynch even though he said that he's "on the list" when I asked for his strongest reads. He's content with just sitting and soft-commenting and being pretty neutral about everything. I'm not going to push a Djo lynch again, mainly because arguing with him is a game of cat and mouse. I think neutrality is going to become an integral part of my play D1 anyway. Taking a huge stance this early just doesn't seem all that feasible for me, because a lot of my arguments are "nit-picky" as Djo calls it. Once the first person flips, things become a lot more clear to me based on context and I can go from there. At this point, the only reason I'd vote for Debears is to get concrete info, which isn't a good thing. I'd vote Clarity because his Debears counter-case is really OMGUSy and he seems like the person to actively lurk. Brb dinner. Also, Regular Fapper.
I'm not going to tell you what I thought of it because that's blue hunting, and I feel I will survive until the night.
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On November 06 2012 12:18 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:02 Rad wrote:On November 06 2012 11:51 Djodref wrote:
@ Rad
First, he didn't want to discuss about my me being scummy in his eyes with me 17 hours before lynch. (1)Why would you like to retain information at that time ?
(2)My point is that he didn't want to discuss and you have been bitching me to hell last game when I said "I'm not going to change my mind". I think not willing to discuss is way worse than not wanting to change your mind.
Second, this guy said I trapped him not posting his case against me. That's a lie because I gave him a fair warning like 17h before the lynch but even if he was town and felt trapped and bullied by a guy who he thinks scum, I'm saying that there are just more reasons for him to post his case against me. But he doesn't post it because it's going to look bad and because I won't have time to defend myself which was his first point to not discuss with me at the beginning.
What I think:
His case against me is bad and weak and he knows this because he is scum and I'm town. What would you do if one your top scumread was bullying you so you cannot post your case without looking bad and proposing himself for a lynch candidate. I would personally add this points in my case and take the risk to be mislynch to show everyone what fucking bastard he is. Clarity has shown way too much self-preservation instinct and he didn't want to commit like any townie should do. And the alternative case he made was against debears, another town guy.
1. Why not? He didn't try to make a push on getting you lynched, you didn't end up being a lynch candidate, and he can post today if he wants. He had very low possibility of being NK considering most people think he's suspicious. How would a town clarity know if he has a low probability to get NKed ? So you are saying that avoiding discussion is OK at 17 hours before the lynch because we can always discuss later. I was here in the thread and he was also here and this was a golden opportunity for him to put pressure on me and follow-up his scumreads for once and HE DID NOT DO IT. Why would he avoid an argument and keep it for later ? He didn't want me to be able to prepare for his case which I take as he has a strong scumread on me, but later on he decides not to take his chance ? Why did he change his mind ? 2. He decided to make a case against debears instead. Why discuss with you at that point if he's not interested in pushing it? If he does think you're scum, and he is town, seems like he would want to keep that info to himself in the meantime since he's not going anywhere anytime soon (and said he would post if he was to be lynched, which makes sense, though we can't read into it since it didn't happen so whatever) Yeah, I really like to keep my thoughts for myself when I'm town. I think I'm going to play like Roco and Inig to increase our chances of winning ? Not interested in pushing his reads ? Come on ! What is possibly more anti-town ?As for him potentially looking bad by posting a case on you when you'll supposedly flip town one day, he would have (if scum) had that same concern with debears when he made that case, so this isn't even really worth thinking about. I don't think he was holding back out of fear of a case on you implicating him if you flipped green, I think he just wanted to put out a case against debears instead (for whatever reason, we can't figure that out without going WIFOM crazy). @ RadMy comments in bold font in your post.
@Djo
There is only so much time in a day, and only so much time to be spent on TL mafia. He used some amount of time to put together a debears case, as well as some defending himself. I don't think we can read into it one way or the other (null for me). We have no idea if he's town without a lot of time or scum with plenty of time, or something inbetween.
Clarity was pretty much the go-to lynch for the day until cheese's claim. If I were a town clarity, I'd think I was going to survive a NK because I'm a good d2 lynch candidate.
Djo, if you want to convince me of a scum clarity, I need you to look elsewhere. I'm not convinced he's necessarily town, but all the arguments against him have been shit.
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@Djo
If you're going to respond to my already labeled #1 and #2 points next time, could you just put a #1 and #2 of your own? Thanks <3
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On November 06 2012 12:22 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 12:11 Rad wrote:On November 06 2012 12:07 Djodref wrote:On November 05 2012 08:31 Rad wrote:
Cheese, I've realized you were claiming that, but WHY? What's your motivation to do that at this point in the game? @ RadWhen did you realize he was claiming VT ? With the first claim or the second claim or when he was explicit with it. What did you think of it at that time ? I realized with this post: On November 05 2012 06:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 05 2012 06:42 Alsn wrote:
##Unvote
I'm more and more convinced that I may have been wrong about debears. Upon closer inspection I realised that his early FoS in XXIX was against a scum buddy of his, meaning he never planned to follow through on it. So he must have had different reasons for FoSing me early this game. In addition, I have to concede that even if he may have been a bit brusque in his attitude towards some of the newer players, it has indeed gotten them to talk, something which is undoubtedly good for town.
I also may have overestimated the importance of his vote switching. The fact that he did find sylver scummy and then kept arguing with him about it should probably be a town tell, seeing as it revealed a lot of what sylver claimed to be his motivations for voting was.
The problem now though is, I'm not yet convinced that Clarity is scummy, but at this point I don't know who else to vote. I definitely think that Clarity's behaviour seems weird, he didn't really commit to any strong stance until he was pressured to do so by being voted. Yet we could say the same thing about Cheese or even Rad as they've been getting away with "blending in" almost as much as Clarity in my opinion. Cheese's only major stance he has taken yet has been to FoS Djod because Djod thought Cheese joking was scummy, yet what else? Soft-disagreeing with both the lynches because they may or may not be scum?
Not to mention the fact that Cheese isn't even trying to push a Djod lynch even though he said that he's "on the list" when I asked for his strongest reads. He's content with just sitting and soft-commenting and being pretty neutral about everything. I'm not going to push a Djo lynch again, mainly because arguing with him is a game of cat and mouse. I think neutrality is going to become an integral part of my play D1 anyway. Taking a huge stance this early just doesn't seem all that feasible for me, because a lot of my arguments are "nit-picky" as Djo calls it. Once the first person flips, things become a lot more clear to me based on context and I can go from there. At this point, the only reason I'd vote for Debears is to get concrete info, which isn't a good thing. I'd vote Clarity because his Debears counter-case is really OMGUSy and he seems like the person to actively lurk. Brb dinner. Also, Regular Fapper. I'm not going to tell you what I thought of it because that's blue hunting, and I feel I will survive until the night. @ RadStop with the blue hunting bullshit. If you are cop and you had a green check on Clarity, you should tell us right now. It's either that or you are scum with him. You are such an hypocrite in your defense of him ! I point you some points which show clearly anti-town behavior and you keep finding excuses for him.
@Djo
I'm not a cop. Why are you so intent on getting roles out of people?
You really come to the conclusion of "if you're not a cop, you're scumteam with clarity!"? I defend against stupid points, which is pretty much everything you have to say about him. Notice when you ask shit that at least doesn't have an obvious defense to, I let it go so I can see his response? Please spend your time finding valid points.
Also, stop blue hunting.
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@Djo
How about we just stop the back and forth for now? I think we've gotten everything we can out of each other atm. I'm going to go do something fun (maybe hots!) and if others show up, maybe I'll pop back in, but it feels pretty useless with us just yelling at each other back and forth. I appreciate you being so passionate about your case, but I think if you're town you're confirmation biased against him right now. Maybe try scum hunting someone else for a bit since there's 2 scum, then come back to clarity. We have 2 days until lynch.
I have a question I need answered from sylver, and I expect to see some sort of change in obzy. I want to look into alsn next, but I need to enjoy myself some too and I really prefer interacting with people to determine my reads rather than reading through filters all night.
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@djo
I spent ~3 hours since the NK discussing mostly with you and some with obzy. Our conversation got stale as hell and I have to enjoy my real life too or I will go mfing insane tomorrow trying to work. Don't even BEGIN to claim I'm not helping town just because I won't role claim right now. Of course if we kill all the scum then it doesn't matter if everyone in the game role claimed and all the blues were outted, because in the end town won. But WHAT POSSIBLE REASON do you think any of us have to believe you're town and you have town's best interests in mind? Do you think you're confirmed town by anyone at this point? Why the hell would anyone want to give you information when that information isn't appropriate to give right now from a town perspective.
About your clarity town vs djo scum garbage, you're missing the clarity town djo town scenario. Don't think it's possible that he had bad reads on you and you have bad reads on him? Why is it the case that one of you MUST be scum?
Always remember this: shitty town is not scum. We learned that from you last game, try to see if he fits and stop thinking all your points are pure gold. Rethink them. You have no idea how convinced I was that kush was scum last game and I was totally off. That shit can happen so you need to step back and get a grip.
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On November 06 2012 13:55 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 11:52 Rad wrote:
@Sylver
Why did you stay on cheese when you had a chance to vote on debears, who you thought was scummier? 1 -I didn't see the chance, I was too busy trying to make sense of the shitstorm (shit, I even posted past marv calling for a stoppost) 2 - I didn't think people would follow me if I voted for Debears, which is why I switched to cheese (I was trying to push debears over before a flood of people voted cheese. I gave up on the debears case and voted for #2 on my top 2, confident that if I was right about cheese, people would believe me about debears too. I was wrong about cheese, and about debears. 3 - I didn't realize that cheese voting debears as a good reason to switch my vote back for debears, bringing debears up to 3. Had I switched back, he was only 1 vote off from saving cheese (didn't realize this.) We now know that I was wrong about debears, so I'm really not sure what lynching him instead would have accomplished.
Alright sylver, I admit it was chaotic as hell. Thanks for answering. BTW you switching to debears would have brought it to 4 (me, da0ud, cheese, you). I think cheese still gets lynched in that situation but it would have given the opportunity for someone else to jump on debears to make it happen.
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On November 06 2012 13:55 da0ud wrote:I was busy this morning and just finished catching up. One first thing that comes to mind since the night kill is Djo's really insisting on pushing for a Clarity lynch. This seems pretty obvious to me as his defense on the role claim is pretty bad. Best example about it is : He says : Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. But right after CC's second role claim he adds : Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? If this is not role claiming ! However I find Rad's position on the subject smarter. He is a clear target, We should stop tunneling him for some time. There is someone else in the scum team (or two other people if Clarity is not). I have not read your filter like I said I would Rad (remember my gut feeling on you), but recently you have looked really town to me, so I am not that concerned Djo, however, I would still like people to look at him closely. Only two things he has been doing is: - tunnel Clarity, hence retaining information to the town, not trying to diversify the targets. - blue hunting as well big time during all N1 and since the beginning of D2. I really believe he could be bussing his mate to gain town credit or just keep the attention on him.
@da0ud
My big issue with djo right now is his persistence in blue hunting. I hate it. He really needs to stop and his point about "doesn't matter if we win!" is terrible. debears also blue hunted during the cheese case but turns out that was just an accident. I hate that we keep having to point out to djo that he needs to stop blue hunting and he's ignoring it.
I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm.
I want him to stop tunneling clarity for a bit and move on. He was shitty town last game and I refuse shitty djo town this game, but I think he's just blinded with rage right now.
I agree with djo on your thoughts of him gaining super town credit if clarity flips scum, in the case of djo clarity scum team. I think we only worry about that if we end up lynching clarity and he flips scum (or visa versa I suppose?). Also, on my list of possible scum teams, djo clarity isn't one of them (not that I have an actual list, but this one hasn't really come to mind, seems way too elaborate to be real).
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On November 06 2012 14:25 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 14:03 Rad wrote:
@djo
I spent ~3 hours since the NK discussing mostly with you and some with obzy. Our conversation got stale as hell and I have to enjoy my real life too or I will go mfing insane tomorrow trying to work. Don't even BEGIN to claim I'm not helping town just because I won't role claim right now. Of course if we kill all the scum then it doesn't matter if everyone in the game role claimed and all the blues were outted, because in the end town won. But WHAT POSSIBLE REASON do you think any of us have to believe you're town and you have town's best interests in mind? Do you think you're confirmed town by anyone at this point? Why the hell would anyone want to give you information when that information isn't appropriate to give right now from a town perspective.
About your clarity town vs djo scum garbage, you're missing the clarity town djo town scenario. Don't think it's possible that he had bad reads on you and you have bad reads on him? Why is it the case that one of you MUST be scum?
Always remember this: shitty town is not scum. We learned that from you last game, try to see if he fits and stop thinking all your points are pure gold. Rethink them. You have no idea how convinced I was that kush was scum last game and I was totally off. That shit can happen so you need to step back and get a grip. @ RadThe point in my argumention is not that one of us has to be scum (my alignment did not matter, I just wanted to emphasize how anti-town is his behavior in the case I would be scum), the main point is that he did not show town behavior in my interactions with me if he really had a scum read on me (which would be a bad read of course because I am town) and he did not show town behavior in his interactions with Cheese. And Clarity did not show town behavior before that as well (please refer to my case and debears case on him). I'm going to tunnel Clarity today until the moment when you are going to say, "ok, let's lynch him today". What's your read on him by the way ? Why are you defending him so much ?
My read on clarity is town, djo. I was defending bad points against him before I had that read though. I'm really disappointed that you're going to only tunnel him, considering there are 2 scum out there. I would suggest you at least scum hunt someone else for 24h and switch back to him after that if you insist. If I could recommend someone, I'd say Alsn, as he's skated by pretty freely and I feel compelled to consider him town also (for some unknown reason I can't figure out). I myself plan on looking into him.
In the meantime, I will reconsider my own thoughts towards clarity when I get a chance to, because cheese was my #1 town read last game, and clarity is now.
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On November 06 2012 14:43 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 14:26 Rad wrote:On November 06 2012 13:55 da0ud wrote:I was busy this morning and just finished catching up. One first thing that comes to mind since the night kill is Djo's really insisting on pushing for a Clarity lynch. This seems pretty obvious to me as his defense on the role claim is pretty bad. Best example about it is : He says : On November 05 2012 23:26 Clarity_nl wrote:
I never claimed VT, I never claimed anything. But right after CC's second role claim he adds : On November 05 2012 08:32 Clarity_nl wrote:
I can do that too. I don't wanna pay for no porn man. I don't think that saying that proves anything, can't make an assumption based on the host's behavior. Cheese why did you claim VT? If this is not role claiming ! However I find Rad's position on the subject smarter. He is a clear target, We should stop tunneling him for some time. There is someone else in the scum team (or two other people if Clarity is not). I have not read your filter like I said I would Rad (remember my gut feeling on you), but recently you have looked really town to me, so I am not that concerned Djo, however, I would still like people to look at him closely. Only two things he has been doing is: - tunnel Clarity, hence retaining information to the town, not trying to diversify the targets. - blue hunting as well big time during all N1 and since the beginning of D2. I really believe he could be bussing his mate to gain town credit or just keep the attention on him. @da0udMy big issue with djo right now is his persistence in blue hunting. I hate it. He really needs to stop and his point about "doesn't matter if we win!" is terrible. debears also blue hunted during the cheese case but turns out that was just an accident. I hate that we keep having to point out to djo that he needs to stop blue hunting and he's ignoring it. I'll be honest with you though. I'm null on him now, or maybe leaning town. He's ridiculously passionate about his clarity tunneling, or at least that's how I read it, and that feels townie to me. Not that I'd get a scum read from him if he wasn't being like this, but I dunno, that's just how I'm feeling atm. I want him to stop tunneling clarity for a bit and move on. He was shitty town last game and I refuse shitty djo town this game, but I think he's just blinded with rage right now. I agree with djo on your thoughts of him gaining super town credit if clarity flips scum, in the case of djo clarity scum team. I think we only worry about that if we end up lynching clarity and he flips scum (or visa versa I suppose?). Also, on my list of possible scum teams, djo clarity isn't one of them (not that I have an actual list, but this one hasn't really come to mind, seems way too elaborate to be real). @ RadI was not shitty town last game, I've been pushing for a Dandel Ion lynch all D2 and I even doubted his fakeclaim. My case against him was spot on, and my case against Clarity is quite good I think right now. Of course, I've been looking scummy as well, but this is something you have to expect when someone is posting without paying attention to his posts and is taking strong stances. I promise to stop the blue hunting.
By shitty town, I meant you didn't look town at all last game. Do you disagree? Don't really care how good your reads are if I can't believe a word you say.
On November 06 2012 14:43 Djodref wrote:
I'll move on when you vote Clarity though...
Do you promise?
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On November 06 2012 15:25 Obzy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2012 15:02 da0ud wrote:On November 06 2012 14:11 Obzy wrote:With regards to Sylverfyre - He said he'd be around for the day post and wasn't, but - that's just more of a note, and has absolutely nothing to do with my voting him. He made noise early in the game about a debears/djo (one of the above) as scum, particularly focusing debears. Looks at a scumteam of CC and debears during the role PM... stuff. Eventually switches his vote onto CC from debears, puts suspicion on Clarity [and db, of course]. On November 05 2012 10:01 sylverfyre wrote:If cheese flips town, it's clarity or debears. Probably both. It clearly isn't debears. He shows a strong town read on Rad, although I think that's fairly obvious, personally. (And now that I'm refreshing the last page to make sure I'm not missing something, he's shown up and redirects suspicion at Djo because debears flipped town.) I'm really a bit less certain what to think of this lol. If Clarity is town, and da0ud is town, it leaves Djo Sylv.. /shrug. Sylv's not addressing my vote on him at all, still. And apparently he just voted Djo too lol. If Djo/Sylv have a shootout, I'm okay with that at the moment, unless Clarity can be shown [by Rad or Alsn or da0ud, preferably] to have clear mafia signs. @ObzyI have a hard time considering what you say seriously when you keep putting "lol" everywhere. Could you be more assertive ? I feel like you tell your thoughts but don't want to take any real positions. Not very townie behaviour. Push your reads please ! I was trying to. I voted Sylver, that was me attempting to push Sylver as a read and apparently I am just horrible at it because not a single person noticed or cared until now, at which point I'm told by you that it's not good enough. The lol is just how I type, I apologize for any confusion. I'll try to stop using it until I forget =l I had a strong Clar-is-scum read that got sort of shot down by doubts from Rad and Alsn, and not really being able to question adequately(apparently) earlier this morning.. Now there are votes on Clar and we're ignoring Sylv - ??? I don't understand. Until tomorrow afternoon (or maybe while I'm at work tomorrow), my vote is parked on Sylv and I think that other people should be voting Sylv too. If there's zero chance of a Sylv lynch because of lack of interest, lack of caring, lack of response to my attempt at a case from both other players and Sylv himself, I'll reconsider then, but seriously what the heck. I just don't get it. I'm not implying that Rad isn't town, it just astonishes me how the tide of opinion shifts, and in less than 30 minutes. This morning I would've been more than happy to vote Clarity, it was my intention to do so, and I feel like I was talked/intimidated out of it. Now, here we are again.
@Obzy
Read the thread, you'll understand my vote on clarity. Hell, read my post before it O.o
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@obzy
Don't read into my vote too much, other than what was said by me. If you check my history, I take my votes very seriously, in that I don't do them unless I feel there's a good reason to. I want djo to do scum hunting other than clarity at this point. He made a request, I accepted. Not a big deal. He has his reasons for wanting me to vote clarity this early even though he knows my vote isn't real, and I'm also interested in seeing how that plays out.
I think if you focused on clarity, like you're saying you want to, that would be great. You can come to a good conclusion then either way. I have a town read on him, but it's not 100% confirmed necessarily. I could be wrong, and have been in the past. I just really want djo off him and onto something else, because ultimately there are 2 scum whether clarity is scum or not. And if clarity is town, as I suspect, djo tunneling him for the next 48 hours is a terrible waste.
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@djo
Your arguments against clarity are embarrassing. If you're town, please get help from your coach. You seem to think you've got the whole world figured out, but you don't.
On November 06 2012 22:02 Djodref wrote:
I mean that you are a newb, and newb dont go and ask questions to the host.
Wrong.
On November 06 2012 20:15 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Night or Day, I'm expecting a fake blue claim from you. I wanted to force you to produce it and try to show how your blue claim is fake. I did not manage to do it last time for dandel but I should get my revenge
Given your experience in this game, I doubt that you actually went for marv to ask your infamous question about the flavor, in the case where you are VT.
Stupid obvious trap. If he was going to do that, he's not going to now. What's wrong with you?
On November 06 2012 20:15 Djodref wrote:
@ Clarity
Night or Day, I'm expecting a fake blue claim from you. I wanted to force you to produce it and try to show how your blue claim is fake. I did not manage to do it last time for dandel but I should get my revenge
Given your experience in this game, I doubt that you actually went for marv to ask your infamous question about the flavor, in the case where you are VT.
Stupid assumption.
On November 06 2012 20:46 Djodref wrote:
I think that you are blue or scum because a VT Clarity would have defended Cheese.
But I don t think that you can really be blue...
A VT could be completely confused at what to do, probably hold off on voting, push cheese to explain himself, be super disappointed when his case was the epitome of WIFOM.
On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.
Stupid terrible point that means nothing.
On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
Here is what I expect of VT Clarity
~ not sending a question to the host about the flavor in your own VT pm, which Clarity did
~ even with some doubts, recognize the genuiness of the other two VT going into a high five festival and join the festival, which Clarity did not do
Reasons against VT clarity sending a PM are all stupid assumptions and I can't believe you keep pushing them. VT clarity notices that his PM flavor isn't in the OP and PMs the host because he wants to know if this is useful information he could have. VT cheese thought the same, but didn't PM the host. VT cheese straight up believed this was a good option to secretly speak with the other VTs and he made a move on it. Different people can do different things from the same thought process and you thinking clarity is scum because he didn't do what you think he should have done is absolutely retarded.
Figuring out the genuineness of cheese and debears on the spot was extremely hard. I wasn't convinced on debears, even with his high five, until his sylver questions during the time he could be lynched. At that point, I was like shit, I think debears is probably town, but I think moreso of cheese, so I'll stick on debears since there's no better option and I had a scum read on him before. Also, debears tried to out blues, in hindsight an accident, but at the time hard to figure out. It was a very close call for me to change form cheese to debears because cheese started all the chaos, so i can see someone in my same position making the different choice of sticking to cheese.
Djo, all your damn arguments could be used against me if I had voted for cheese instead of debears in that situation, and all your arguments are WRONG. That's why I keep defending clarity, not because he's necessarily town, but because all your arguments and assumptions are WRONG.
Please sit back and truly consume this post I have just given you. Don't go ballistic and try to ask me 10000 questions without first thinking about it. Sit back and read the shit out of it until you understand what I'm trying to say.
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One more thing on this point:
On November 06 2012 21:01 Djodref wrote:
ok, we have now 2 VT dead. Both of them were at least as experienced on playing mafia on this forum if not more for debears. Both of them did not ask the host about the flavor or whatever.
Go back and read debears at the point he realized what cheese was talking about. He did not realize the PM flavor was not in the OP until cheese pointed it out. You can damn well bet that clarity read every bit of that OP after he got modkilled last game from not knowing the rules.
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Oh god, djo's still going at it even after my last post.
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I'll get to your questions when I get a chance. Keep in mind I'm working atm, so even if you can't sleep djo, I don't have time right now to fight with you. I spent time on my last post because it spelled shit out for you, but you ignored it, or maybe you just can't grasp it. If you want me to be on the clarity lynch train with you, you better come out with better arguments because I'm reading him as town. Maybe obzy will jump in and scum hunt clarity with a clear head since he's at least clearly not confirmation biased against him.
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On November 07 2012 02:52 Djodref wrote:Ok, I have big news for you guys You have all pissed me off seriously with all the "no blue hunting" comments and so on. I want Clarity to give us his role. Don't worry about outing the blues, I'm going to do this myseld: I claim Jail keeperYou can find the breadcrumb here Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 13:06 Djodref wrote:On November 03 2012 12:48 debears wrote:
Also answer my very important question to you @ debearsDid I answer your question ? I'm not sure which one you were talking about. I guessed it was the one about "why cheese and not me?" I need to go to attend a wedding at Souel Gardien Hoteal soon so I would like to know you have more questions. Gardien means keeper in French. Look it up. Add this to my act of bravado and all the stuff I've said about the roles and the blues and my jailkeeper post during N1 Show nested quote +On November 05 2012 16:07 Djodref wrote:@ daoudYou are right but this kind of reasoning could lead us into a WIFOM hell. In my honest opinion, Clarity is very likely to be scum, so a possible jailkeeper would have good chances to prevent him from killing. Maybe the mafia is going to listen to me as well and use the other member to carry the night kill, maybe they are going to use Clarity anyway, maybe I'm totally wrong and Clarity is town. I don't know and I don't even know if we have a jailkeeper but I would say that it's the best thing for him to do. Anyway, it's down to the jailkeeper decision (if he exists), he could also decide to jail me to give me protection. I wouldn't mind this  and I think you can understand my frustration about being called a blue-hunter. I have blocked Alsn N1 by the way because I thought he was scum with Clarity. But right now, I would say that Rad and Clarity is the scumteam !
Jailkeeper eh? I was sure you were cop and that you had a red read on clarity (and that there's a framer who framed him). That explained to me why you were so passionately hellbent on him being scum. Hrm.
Why block alsn over trying to save debears since you thought that was the obvious NK? Isn't it more of a shot in the dark that alsn a) is scum and b) will be the one to make the kill, than it would have been that debears (or me, tbh) was the target of the NK?
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