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Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
December 31 2012 07:04 GMT
#361
For a 30 man setup you should have that 3 KP for the mafia.

Say you have 30 players, 6 mafia with 2 KP. If the town mislynches every day the mafia will win after night 6 (assuming no KP went to waste on veterans, medics, etc). That's a lot of mislynches you have to endure in order to win.

While not directly applicable, it should be noted that in real life mafia games (of which player size isn't usually over 12) the setups are designed so that the mafia wins if the town mislynches either 2 or 3 times. (Note: the 2 or 3 is a bit player dependent and mostly a personal preference. In 7-8 player games 2 mislynches is good for a setup; 3 mislynches is good if you got 11-12 players. Even still, players have differing views on how many mislynches should be required for the mafia to win).

When you design a setup, the mafia KP is not the first thing you figure out. Instead, you ask the question, "how many mislynches should the town receive before they lose?" Then you determine that number (again, personal preference factors in a lot) and base KP on how many blue roles you have that interfere with that number. In theory, for a 30 man game, you can have 2 mafia and give them 5 or 6KP a night. Town gets 5 or 4 lynches to hit one of them. In reality this is probably close to balanced, but obviously this game wouldn't be very fun if hosted (for one it would probably only last a week and a half or so).

So instead of thinking of just the direct effects of mafia KP ("zomg 3 KP is sooooo much!!") ask yourself the question, "how many mislynches should the town get before they lose?" or "how many lynches should the mafia survive to be victorious?" then see what works. 30 man setup with 3KP....Mafia will have to survive at least 5 lynches to win, and that's probably pretty good for 30 players. (Personally, I'm more of a fan of giving town less lynches to win, but again, personal preference).
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 31 2012 09:03 GMT
#362
Foolishness is probably town, that post is very correct, I can't see any reason mafia would spend time posting that or pay enough attention to realize this is the case.

I very much agree with the idea that most games should be balanced around having a similar number of mislynches required for town to lose, and correct lynches for town to win. It's always the first stat I look at when I balance games. This obviously becomes a lot more difficult to figure out when you add killing roles and even third parties, but for a baseline when designing setups it's usually good to figure out early "If this was vanllia townies vs mafia goons, what amount of KP and what number of mafia would be balanced".

I'm also a fan of kurumi's idea here to allow mafia to sacrifice KP for a role, because it reduces the swingyness of the setup. Although I haven't analysed if mafia should have more KP than they do because 6 goons with 3kp against a role-filled town may be kinda hard, but that needs analysis.
Computer says mafia
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
December 31 2012 09:08 GMT
#363
Palmar I hope you know the game hasn't started. I may have missed the joke with your first paragraph but we were just discussing setup.
Writer@WriterYamato
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6789 Posts
December 31 2012 09:29 GMT
#364
I see palmar rolled scum again...
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
December 31 2012 09:45 GMT
#365
On December 31 2012 18:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I see palmar rolled scum again...


Prove this or you're just starting shit for the sake of starting shit.
Computer says mafia
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
December 31 2012 10:45 GMT
#366
I decided I'll send role pms 1st or 2nd.
I work alone. // Visit TL Mafia subforum!
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 31 2012 13:11 GMT
#367
On December 31 2012 14:19 kushm4sta wrote:
mafia usually has 2 kps. now they have 3. That is huge. kp is the best role you could ever want.


what?

clearly you have never played games of this size lol
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
December 31 2012 13:43 GMT
#368
On December 31 2012 22:11 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 14:19 kushm4sta wrote:
mafia usually has 2 kps. now they have 3. That is huge. kp is the best role you could ever want.


what?

clearly you have never played games of this size lol

yeah no joke I have no idea what im talking about
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 31 2012 14:21 GMT
#369
On December 31 2012 18:45 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2012 18:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I see palmar rolled scum again...


Prove this or you're just starting shit for the sake of starting shit.


He made a funny joke, you're the one who's starting shit for the sake of starting shit
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 31 2012 14:23 GMT
#370
I wouldn't take Palmar too seriously, Sentinel ^^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 31 2012 14:25 GMT
#371
good advice, no matter if ingame or outgame.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
December 31 2012 14:26 GMT
#372
On December 31 2012 23:23 marvellosity wrote:
I wouldn't take Palmar too seriously, Sentinel ^^


But but but mafia is srs bznz
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 31 2012 15:58 GMT
#373
I always take Palmar seriously.
supersoft
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany3729 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 17:01:43
December 31 2012 16:54 GMT
#374
He's one of the few i always take seriously.

Ah Syllogism is missing, too! *Came into my mind, when i was talking about people i take seriously ^_^
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
December 31 2012 17:32 GMT
#375
On January 01 2013 00:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
I always take Palmar seriously.

That's why I kill him day 1
Life can only kill you once.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 31 2012 17:39 GMT
#376
On January 01 2013 01:54 supersoft wrote:
He's one of the few i always take seriously.

Ah Syllogism is missing, too! *Came into my mind, when i was talking about people i take seriously ^_^


Palmar is only #3 on my "always take seriously" list.

#1 is sinani.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 31 2012 18:10 GMT
#377
On January 01 2013 02:39 wherebugsgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 01:54 supersoft wrote:
He's one of the few i always take seriously.

Ah Syllogism is missing, too! *Came into my mind, when i was talking about people i take seriously ^_^


Palmar is only #3 on my "always take seriously" list.

#1 is sinani.


such a dick bugs, now you have to tell us #2! ^_^
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
December 31 2012 18:28 GMT
#378
well #4 is grush, I can tell you that
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 31 2012 18:30 GMT
#379
On January 01 2013 03:28 wherebugsgo wrote:
well #4 is grush, I can tell you that


he was my guess for #2, damnit
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
HiroPro
Profile Joined March 2012
United States2624 Posts
December 31 2012 18:31 GMT
#380
#2 must be chezinu.
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