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then why wouldn't you vote him | ||
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That also goes for everyone else. We've been focusing too much on the mechanics and worrying too much about "well this guy is scummier than that guy" but we need to be discussing our top scumreads. Right now sandroba takes that spot for me so I plan on pushing hard for his lynch. | ||
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If they were separated I'd probably vote for both of them to advance. ON because he's the biggest lurker, and his voting antics have just been completely anti-town and he doesn't seem to know/care about it. For hopeless, I like the case djodref made against him. + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 18:06 Djodref wrote: As promised, I would like to present you my case against Hopeless. My main points against him are:
Lack of scumhunting + Show Spoiler + He admits it himself in this post in response to Kush On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Addressing more of this: /snip You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Please note also how he implies that we are going to mislynch (all the scum already out comment). This is not scummy but it is at least not good town mentality. On top of that he refuses to give his scumreads invoking bad excuses (what are the lynch mechanics doing here ?) and for this, I clearly don't see any town motivation. Suspicious unvotes at deadline + Show Spoiler + I don't know if you have noticed it but his unannounced unvote at round 1 deadline had a influence on the kush/prplhz match-up. He let Kush advanced over Prplhz. Look at the way he presents it On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: /snip I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. /snip I'm not accepting his excuse for this. Should I state that I'm going to be present for deadline tomorrow and happily reverse the result of a matchup ? Is this ok ? I don't like the way he presents it, stating that it almost exactly the same, when his actions led to an opposite results for one match-up. He has no choice but to admit it but the fact he has doing it passively (by unvoting) and shifting the focus on Hiro helped him to make Kush advance (or should I say eliminate prplhz from the competition?) quite unnoticed. At least, I didn't catch up at first. If you guys have all seen this then I'm sorry for bringing this up. What makes it even more suspicious is the global picture:
I would say that Hopeless doesn't really care about who is going to advance in this bracket. And the question I really would like him to answer is what he is planning to do with all the votes that he has carefully saved ? Contradicts himself + Show Spoiler + Firstly he did contradict himself while speaking about letting kush advance. I'm sorry but it not exactly the same when you reverse the issue of a matchup. And here is the second contradiction: I didn't understand why he was so obsessed with people present at deadline and I called him for it. Here is the post he gave me in response On October 11 2012 23:55 Hopeless1der wrote: There is usually a panic towards the end of a day to consolidate votes and have crazy things happen during the final hours. With this lynch mechanic, there isn't enough time to properly consolidate and I think knowing who is willing and able to be active during the deadline is very beneficial to town. Case in point, go look at the way I voted and my concern makes much more sense. I asked for people's deadline schedules again because 7 out of 11 players (not counting myself) posted without acknowledging the question. There seems to be a severe lack of reading comprehension going on in this thread. da0ud is evidently foreign enough that he gets a pass. The rest of you bastards, not so much. What I'm trying to achieve is using my votes in the most efficient way possible to maximize town's advantage this cycle. This, of course, assumes I'm town. I'll explain my reasoning later if necessary. Mementoss, I get that you're suspicious of people having all their votes, but can you look over how I (un)voted and tell me if you think I'm scummy because of it? OriginalName, you still havent addressed why you felt you needed two votes on djodref, ESPECIALLY when he was already leading his matchup. You were literally throwing away votes. What I understood from this answer is that knowing who is present at deadline prevents crazy things from happening. I think that the simplest way from preventing crazy thing to happen is to use your votes and sticking to them. Unvoting like you do results in more possibilities for outcome of MUs to change, something you want to prevent by asking everybody if they are going to be present at deadline or not. I think you want to give yourself some presence in the thread by asking everybody if they are here for deadline or not. In reality you just want to know if you can safely do you unvoting cuisine. With all this I'm pretty sure that Hopeless is scum. I'm going to go full force in him this round against him because I really want him to get lynched today and I may not be able to use my votes on the next round. I'm also interested to see who is going to vote for his concurrent, the Great Lurker, I named OriginalName. Please be aware that I'm not forgiving ON in any way with this post. Right now, I really find Hopeless to be the scummiest among us. Prplhz is also looking scummy in my eyes. I'll develop on this later but I would like first to have some feedback on this case, especially from Hopeless. Hopeless x6 | ||
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On October 12 2012 18:18 Djodref wrote: @Thrawn Could you sum me up what you have against sandroba ? I didn't take the time to look at his filter yet because he is my opponent for this round and I guessed he was going to be scrutinized enough. By the way, what do you think about my case ? Here was my original case against him: + Show Spoiler + On October 11 2012 17:35 thrawn2112 wrote: Gonna vote for sandroba over kush. I'm getting a pretty scummy read off of sandroba atm. The majority of his filter is fluff. Then there's this bit: So here he says that prplhz is his best scum read. Not only does sandroba not push to vote prplhz over kush during round 1, he doesn't even mention prplhz again. Why would any townie not want to at least throw 1 vote for their "top scumread?" Why would any townie have a "top scumread" that they never talk about? He also says: "Hunches" aren't good enough explanations for me. And this is the 2nd case where sandroba has a read but he's not willing to go the distance to push his votes. He says prplhz is his top scum read, never votes for him or mentions him again. He wants da0ud to go through based on a hunch, and he puts a lot of weight behind the validity of his hunches. Yet he doesn't put enough votes in to push da0ud through. So that's twice where his stated intentions don't match up with his actions. FOS sandroba Since that case he's barely made any posts and all he's done is defend himself and attack ON who is the easiest target in the game. | ||
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On October 13 2012 01:42 Hopeless1der wrote: I'll do this before I address his case. Djodref was tunneling me at the time and no one else was committed to lighting a fire under me. My play has been admittedly lackluster, and yet everyone is content to just brush me off as scum with little to no discussion. Djodref sums things up nicely in his predictions post (Thrawn good, Hopeless bad), but note the bolded part regarding Hiro-vs-ON + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 00:38 Djodref wrote: Day 1 Round 2 Preview Hopeless/Thrawn It's kind of night and day. Thrawn is active in the thread, gives good contributions and points out what is weird in other players posts. So far I have a slight town read on him. I would expect very good reasons for anyone wanting him to advance. Hopeless on the opposite has almost contributed nothing. He also seems strangely obsessed with people being around at deadline or not. Which is even stranger when you consider that it seems ok for him to unvote everything without warning just before the deadline. I'll develop later on Hopeless, hopefully with some insight from his side, but I would go as far as saying that he is my top scumread at the moment. Prediction: Hopeless advances to the Ro4 3-0 HiroPro/OriginalName At first glance this MU looks easy but it could be more interesting that it looks like. Once thing I have learned in my previous game is that obvious scum players are usually town (Kush being an exception of this rule^^). We could all agree that ON looks bad, like very very bad. Casting last minute panic votes (on me on top of that) after zero posts and not even properly explaining his motives is scummy as hell. But thinking about it, I cannot imagine any mafia player being this obvious. So I want to give him a second chance for today and see if he can make it up before the deadline. HiroPro hasn't posting that much and I didn't like his post encouraging people to share their thoughts and plans about the lynch mechanics. Right now, I would vote him over ON but I don't want to spend more than 3 votes on this (I didn't keep my 10 votes like, let's say, Hopeless). Prediction: ON advaces against my will to the Round 4 5-3 Basically, I'm too scummy to be scum. And yeah, that's a stretch, but read my filter for the level of evasiveness and unproductive behavior. I actively avoided discussion and existed in my own little world of deadlines and schedules, all of which came up in djodref's case against me. I wanted djodref to advance because I felt I'd have a better chance at getting this case made against me and seeing if anyone bites onto it. So far, the responses have not been too supportive of his case, despite the fact that it makes sense, doesn't misrepresent me or what I did, and has clear and well thought out reasons for his vote against me. Djodref has been very consistent and open in his read of me AND of his stance of ON's lurking not being that scummy. For this, I now think he's town. I voted him to advance because I wanted to ensure I could the case on me made (knowing I looked scummy as shit) to see how his reads would or would not change. I feel that if I had advanced ET, he would not have been pressured into making the case. In addition, it demonstrates that djodref can and does provide his reads to the town and is an asset worth having around. I'm confused.... You voted for djodref because he was tunneling you and you wanted to see if he would be consistent with his case against you? | ||
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On October 13 2012 02:28 EchelonTee wrote: I think he's saying that he did a gambit. Deliberately making himself scum to try and attract a case on him? The issue I have with this is that this says nothing about djodref's alignment. You say that because he say scumminess in you, he must be townie. Do you not understand that both town and scum want to make cases on scummy people? Towns people want to kill scum, while scum want to kill bad townies who make themselves look scummy. Like you. You basically ensured your demise to get >>1<< town read. You haven't thought this through. That's what I'm getting but I'm still trying to work through the logic of it...like I just don't see how it makes sense | ||
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On October 13 2012 03:28 Hopeless1der wrote: I Ninja Unvoted + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2012 03:56 Hopeless1der wrote: Addressing more of this: IF you make any statement towards being inactive at the deadline (like mementoss has) then if you do anything around the deadline you're instantly suspicious. You will be scrutinized and the town will have a greater ability to control the lynch because everyone will know that certain votes are completely locked in place and are not subject to change. I'm getting some flak for my ##Unvote All, part of which is I gave no notice that I was doing anything. However, I had already posted that I was going to be available during the deadline, which no one cared about, and the end result is almost exactly the same. The exception is that you, kush, advanced as a result, BUT Hiro was under the impression that you would have gone through without my 'assistance'. My activity during the deadline had a significant impact, which I would rather people be aware of so that no one is blindsided. You say I'm feigning activity. My activity is poor, and as close to trivial as it gets, but my actions have clear motive in terms of how people have advanced each round. You claim I'm not scumhunting. No, not in the conventional sense, I'm not. There are now 4 players completely out of the running for todays' lynch, but for all I know, all the scum are in those players. I have no flips and very limited information. I realize I'm not giving people much to work with, but I'll deal with that later. I'd rather not give scumreads because of both the short length of the game so far and the lynch mechanics. I will go through the matchups and give my thoughts on those. Hiro vs ON is already done. Explicitly NOT giving a proper read on kush in the spoilered post above, despite causing him to advance in his bracket. I basically gave a summary of what happened with my votes without giving any solid input concerning my reads. I also posted this in the spoiler: And my general insistence on deadlines and schedules earlier on in the game, instead of scumhunting or engaging in ANY productive discussion whatsoever. Working on my response to djodref's case. K it might be because I'm tri[[ing hard right now but that response didn't make sende in relation to the question I asked. Can you try again? Basically I'm just confused as to wtf you've exactly been doing this game. | ||
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So I want it to be sandroba vs ON, with sandroba getting lynched. | ||
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On October 13 2012 04:39 EchelonTee wrote: Having no night is weird. Don't have time to collect my thoughts on anything lol. How would sandroba be a policy lynch? He's been around. Lynching him would be an old-fashioned regular lynch. were you talking about my post? the policy lynch part referred to ON, not sandroba | ||
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You voted djodref in order to see how his read on you developed? Were you acting scummy on purpose, or was your scumminess something you realized after the fact and decided to take advantage of? Or in other words... when did it first occur to you to enact your plan? | ||
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