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sigh.... I am having doubts about my kush town read. Go read his D1 filter paying special attention to when he talks about hopeless, ON, and sand. His biggest reaction to anything that happened was when people started voting for ON... like he just completely freaks out about it. basically everything he says about ON during d1 is some kind of defense. Also, he layed down those 6 votes for hopeless in the ON vs hopeless MU. I know everyone is giving him lots of town points for being the person who basically hammered (not correct use of the word but you know what I mean) ON...... but scum kush LOVES to buss. It is literally his favorite fucking thing to do as scum. Go look at newbie xxvii where he spent basically the entire last half of the game bussing jacob.
Kush also didn't do jack shit during D2. He just made a post every now and then letting us know the game was won and we should lynch prplhz/da0.
My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush.
I know it's a shitty time to bring up a kush case but I have the feeling that a lot of people (including me) haven't actually read kush's filter because they've just written him off as town because of meta reasons.
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On October 18 2012 23:43 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 22:37 thrawn2112 wrote:
Austin what are your thoughts about the possibility of a mementoss/hiro scumteam? When I look at the final brackets and color in who I am sure of as town, after looking at it those are just the two names that jump out at me. I'm kind of confused about this here. These are two names that jump out at you? There are legitimate reasons you could connect them. VE defends mementoss hard when popping into thread VE likes mementoss's case on djoref And probably other things you could find if you went deeper, that's just the last couple pages. But you're proposing them as a scumteam because they jump out at you? What exactly does that mean?
sorry but i'm saving that thought for later. can't really elaborate on it too much unless certain flips happen that would confirm/deny some of my assumptions
On October 18 2012 23:44 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2012 23:40 thrawn2112 wrote:
sigh.... I am having doubts about my kush town read. Go read his D1 filter paying special attention to when he talks about hopeless, ON, and sand. His biggest reaction to anything that happened was when people started voting for ON... like he just completely freaks out about it. basically everything he says about ON during d1 is some kind of defense. Also, he layed down those 6 votes for hopeless in the ON vs hopeless MU. I know everyone is giving him lots of town points for being the person who basically hammered (not correct use of the word but you know what I mean) ON...... but scum kush LOVES to buss. It is literally his favorite fucking thing to do as scum. Go look at newbie xxvii where he spent basically the entire last half of the game bussing jacob.
Kush also didn't do jack shit during D2. He just made a post every now and then letting us know the game was won and we should lynch prplhz/da0.
My read of him in D3 is that he is being dumber than what I expect from him and he's being more of an asshole which are both qualities of scum kush.
I know it's a shitty time to bring up a kush case but I have the feeling that a lot of people (including me) haven't actually read kush's filter because they've just written him off as town because of meta reasons. I already mentioned this. But then I thought as scum why would he change his mind about me after re-read and defend me and then take up a case on you without any support. Also, I can't wrap my mind around that d0ad list. It looks so ass backwards. While reading this post I kinda got the feeling you wanna lynch into kush/djo for the hopeless ro3 shenanigans?
it kinda brings me back to this post:
On October 17 2012 21:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok right now I consider the following 100% true, I don't see any loopholes. One of the following statements MUST BE TRUE.
A) there is scum among kush/djo
B) town hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference
C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON
To tell the truth I haven't actually ever tried to read through kush's filter until just a few moments ago. I've assumed he was town all game because of meta reasons and the last time I did that he ended up being scum. Right now I'm not of the opinion that I want to lynch him but that he's not as townie as I thought so I'm going to go through his filter and I suggest everyone do the same, especially if they've, like me, been putting it off all game because of town meta reads.
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I like flopping, I don't care if it makes me look bad, I'll point out anything that looks suspicious regardless of how many people I end up talking about and I'll take a hard stance once I'm convinced I'm right. Is it the most townie way to play? No but I care less about how townie I look and more about figuring out who's scum.
D1 was pretty stupid because all we learned was that ON is scum and hopeless is prob town, and D2 was spent going "lolz prp/da0 are last two scum." So we haven't exactly had the most pro-town atmosphere in which to make solid reads.
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Lynching ON and him flipping scum was pretty much a happy accident... I don't think that anyone except sandroba REALLY thought he was scum.
lol as a side note, in a previous game I made a similar logic case in which I listed 4 options, determined which was most likely to be true, ending up with the conclusion that kush was scum. I ignored/forgot about that case and guess what kush ended up being scum
@mem OK time to really look at that stuff logically:
On October 17 2012 21:18 thrawn2112 wrote:
Ok right now I consider the following 100% true, I don't see any loopholes. One of the following statements MUST BE TRUE.
A) there is scum among kush/djo
B) town hopeless took the lead against ON on accident without scum interference
C) if hopeless is scum then for some reason scum decided they'd rather have hopeless in the finals instead on ON
I think option C is the dumbest option out of all of them. I'd even go so far as to say it's near impossible. So it comes down to option B or option A. This is somewhat of a subjective call but I'd hesitatingly say that option B isn't likely. Other than the final MU, hope vs ON had the highest total vote count and to me that suggests scummy shit going on especially knowing that ON is scum. Which leaves me with A as most likely.
Does everyone agree?
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On October 19 2012 00:01 Djodref wrote:
I'm going to bed, I'll be here for the deadline.
I'm quite sure that ON has been bussed. Please have a look at Hiro's filter and imagine him with the intent of bussing ON. You guys are putting too much importance on the matchup Hopeless/ON. It could have just been a town/town fight for all we know.
I strongly disagree with this and therefore I am suspicious of your motives behind making this post....
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I don't know if there's any merit in the sandroba nk speculation with regards to people who are aware of his ability being likely scum... his veteran status was something that was brought up over and over again during D1 so everyone in the gamewould be aware of it.
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austin why is djo #1? I get that you are wanting to lynch one of the people who voted for hopeless in hopeless vs ON, but why djo over kush? is it mostly because of that nk speculation?
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On October 19 2012 02:02 kushm4sta wrote:
What the fuck is this shit I'm reading?? I have a lot of things to address.
First: Thrawn you were scum in LC right? It's over now.
? wtf no I wasn't what does that have to do with anything
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On October 19 2012 02:04 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 01:47 thrawn2112 wrote:
austin why is djo #1? I get that you are wanting to lynch one of the people who voted for hopeless in hopeless vs ON, but why djo over kush? is it mostly because of that nk speculation? I want to lynch one of those two. There were scummy things in Djo's filter (Hiro and I were concerned with part of his opening post, + more recent stuff), but for some reason I had a gut feeling he was town. As in, there were more scummy things in Djo's filter than kush's filter, as I read them, but I just wasn't reading Djo as scum despite the scummy bits. The NK stuff is enough, however, to push me over the top on Djo and not go with gut here. So it's ... not MOST of the reason Djo is scummy, but it's this trigger that moves me from "done some scummy stuff but town" to "okay, maybe scummy stuff = scum when you factor in this other thing." Again, looking at kush's play this game a little closer, and will check to see whether he's so bus-happy (actually, he and someone "bussed" more or less on the next-to-last day of GSL Open 2 iirc). I know his response to my offering votes was not as robust as yours, and was a little silly/dumb, but apart from that I haven't been watching him closely.
I mentioned it earlier, kush will bus like a mo-fo. Check his filter in xxvii. He and jacob were scum that game and they did nothing but bus each other for like half the game.
But would kush bus to the point of being the one whose votes causes the lynch? I'm not sure about that because I've never seen him have the opportunity to do it.
Also I'm not buying your reasoning behind the nk stuff. Nk speculation is just such a weak thing to base a case off of. 1 because you don't actually know why mafia does stuff and 2 mafia often does stuff just to confuse you. Also you say that sandroba's alignment was still in question after the D1 lynch... I don't agree with that at all basically everyone thought he was town after that.
So if you want to make a convincing case on djo.... leave the nk stuff out of it.
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kush you have absolutely no idea what the argument is about the day 1 votes. it's not even about round 4
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On October 19 2012 02:19 Mementoss wrote:
I dont understand what the NK speculation is against Djo:
If anything its against da0d because both that died said lynch da0d.
Or against me because as austin mentioned they said I was slightly scummy to them.
Austin is saying this:
Sandroba was still suspicious after D1, and was therefore killed for a reason that isn't being confirmed town. So the reason is that he was killed because scum is scared of his abilities. So Austin is referring to a post djo made where djo said he went and read some of sand's other games.... and that means that djo is the scum that was scarred of sand.
I think it's a pretty dumb idea for a couple reasons.
A) The vibe I was getting from the thread was that sand was pretty close to confirmed town, if not the closest thing we had to that. B) The fact that sand is a vet was something that was made known to everyone in the thread because people talked about it constantly when we were debating whether to lynch sand or not. So EVERYONE that was reading the thread would have known that sand is supposed to be really good.
Not sure if town austin is making a very bad point or if scum austin is engineering a point out of nothing.
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On October 19 2012 02:31 kushm4sta wrote:
Tell me the argument because I think i know it.
Either djo or me had to be scum because we were both defending ON and pissed when ET pushed him through?
Other than the finals, ON vs Hopeless was the most contested matchup in D1. Up until the confirmed town pushed ON through, hopeless was set to advance. Hopeless can't be scum because out of the two, it makes more sense for mafia to buss ON than to bus hopeless. All those things strongly suggest that mafia was trying to push hopeless into the finals instead of ON.
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On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2012 02:34 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 19 2012 02:31 kushm4sta wrote:
Tell me the argument because I think i know it.
Either djo or me had to be scum because we were both defending ON and pissed when ET pushed him through? Other than the finals, ON vs Hopeless was the most contested matchup in D1. Up until the confirmed town pushed ON through, hopeless was set to advance. Hopeless can't be scum because out of the two, it makes more sense for mafia to buss ON than to bus hopeless. All those things strongly suggest that mafia was trying to push hopeless into the finals instead of ON. Thrawn I don't want to be the victim of more of your ad hominem attacks, and I'm not trying to level any at you when I say this. But that reasoning up there is absolutely, 100% retarded. There was town motivation for voting for 1der over ON. Maybe scum didn't have to vote 1der because town was already doing it. If djo drops a bunch of votes down, then I say that I'm gonna vote bomb 1der through, why would scum risk also voting for 1der?
This is probably the weakest part of that argument, but I still think it makes sense because of how the matchup had the most votes out of all the MU's other than the finals. And yes... hopeless did some stuff that looked scummy. But I felt that by the end of the round it was clear that ON should have passed instead of hopeless.... like how could anyone not want to put a guy with no posts (ON) into the finals when hopeless had a reasonable town explanation for his actions?
On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
It makes more sense to bus 1der than ON? No I don't think so. ON was totally afk. Why wouldn't scum want to bus him? If he's going to get modkilled from inactivity, a bus is win-win.
Yes that's what I'm saying. You misread. It makes more sense to bus ON, thus hopeless being in the lead until the ET votebomb wouldn't make sense if hopeless is scum
On October 19 2012 02:44 kushm4sta wrote:
I think you are scum because this seriously sounds like some bullshit made up reasoning that you are endorsing.
Do you forget that YOU voted for sandroba in the beginning of the day. Austin voted for no one and was going to give his votes to you are me, (two people that wanted to vote sandroba, hmm). You switched off sandroba mid day, but it was essentially a bus with no consequence because 1) he was afk and 2) he still had enough votes to get lynched at that time.
Kush go read my posts during r4. Does that look like someone who is bussing or like someone who slowly loses confidence in their vote and is willing to talk to anyone to figure it out?
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And really how bullshit is it to try and make reads off of the results form the voting system used in D1? Right now we have this huge clusterfuck where so many people have accused so many people that by now it's basically guaranteed that one or more mafia is bussing. D1 we learned basically nothing.... the people that voted for ON did so because they were scared of losing a potential town sandroba. D2 was the shittiest excuse for town play I've ever seen thanks to the prp/da0 bullheadedness and the assbackwards potatoe mechanic. And now we're minus 7 hours till D3 lynch and the top vote candidate is probably something absolutely retarded like do0 and people are changing their top scumreads every time there's a new post in the thread. So why exactly, after all that, is it so dumb to try and use D1 evidence to make reads?
/rant
real sleep time now
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On October 19 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
thrawn it looks scum trying to be convincing about changing his mind.
I see Austin is your top vote. Why aren't you helping me get him lynched? You are barely even talking about him.
bleh read my above post those are my thoughts about this game right now. I'm going to sleep and I'll be back a couple hours before lynch.
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On October 19 2012 03:01 kushm4sta wrote:
thrawn it looks scum trying to be convincing about changing his mind.
I see Austin is your top vote. Why aren't you helping me get him lynched? You are barely even talking about him.
wow I see you responded to that question in like 4 minutes did you really go and read my filter in that time?
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where's palmer's random lynch site when you need it
anyone game? you no scare I no scare
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austin I think some of the formatting is messed up in the quotes beneath the "kush continues to be concerned with ON and cases on ON" line
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On October 19 2012 04:48 austinmcc wrote:
VE, if you're around let me/us know. Dunno if you're still busy, but I need to both change your mind if you haven't changed it and then pick your brain.
so this means you have a really strong town read on him right?
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