EPTThen let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn.
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slOosh
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Then let's talk about the list. I think kush is town based on his demeanor (throwing up thoughts onto thread without the scummy tendency to double check / review). Your turn. | ||
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On October 04 2012 11:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Er? Its scummy thing to recheck / review? I don't do that ever unless I am town making some epic post by post analysis. I think he could easily be mafia given his interactions with people, his odd post that he just made This may just be the living up in a household with a mother who is an english major, but using the word "so" as he did seems weird to me. However throwing ones thoughts into the thread mean near jackshit when you look at the last three pages of his filter have been basically none useful. I don't see solid reasoning for reads, I see summarizing of other peoples shit, spam, and the same. I honestly believe if someone is active like he has been this game there should be real content in his filter, and honestly I am not seeing it. It's a general heuristic that town post more freely than scum, who have inherent guilt and are scared of making scumslips etc. That's how you caught goodkarma last game no? I agree that there isn't much substance in his filter, but it's feels different from the typical trying-to-blend-in-with-town lack of substance. Worth a vig shot, not a lynch kinda thing. Thoughts on Sharrant's more recent posts? | ||
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On October 04 2012 13:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I will keep a better eye on kush to see if my view of him is off but hes still suspect to me. Sharrant needs to post more. Looks too much like feigned activity and given that he hasn't even posted once since the day post went up I will keep him on my possible scum list. What is your view on him? Yea I'd go further and put him at probable scum given his latest post. His comments on players are more summaries and recaps of thread sentiments, he shies away from making any concrete stances, and does a good job spreading suspicions over a large pool even on his not-scum reads. He hasn't bothered to comment / vote on marv so it shows that he isn't actually reading the thread, but wants to make sure he is seen with contribution, probably in light his name being brought up for discussion by us. | ||
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On October 02 2012 12:33 slOosh wrote: Guh didn't realize how much time I actually take to read. Between Node and Shady Sands I'm leaning Shady. With a total lack of follow through after his troll antics, he has disrupted early day discussion and dropped off. Not lynching him today on the basis of a potential modkill is stupid - he could easily trade his life for hurting day 2 discussion as well and he might not even be lynched. The nature of the Node lynch is really strange. Reason enough to lean the former. ##Vote: Shady Sands | ||
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ToutEstChaos you seem smart - if kush were no more would he be your #1 lynch pick? | ||
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Cool let's talk about something more substantive. Out of the pool of "vets" who is most scummy? | ||
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So you don't think this means anything? On October 06 2012 03:44 ToutEstChaos wrote: Well, I'd have believed it better if you'd divulged these reads immediately rather than waiting 20 minutes (enough time to, say, make up for not reading the thread), but this is infinitely better than before. I recognize that I've been somewhat strident with you. Thank you. Or his read on DP means anything? | ||
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On October 06 2012 07:00 Promethelax wrote: hey SloOsh what are your reads on anyone? You seem to think Kush is town and that is all i can find in your filter. I also see a call out of my previous incarnation, still think I'm scum? If not who is? My initial Mattchew case still stands - he hasn't properly addressed it and is compounded by his continuous inactivity / contribution-less posting. Furthermore the only times he pops into the thread is when his name is mentioned. Along those lines I'm kind of wary of BC. I engaged in his 3 of 1 must be scum idea to get better reads off the people and him, but he dropped off and hasn't really followed up on the thought, which suggests that what I initially thought of the post: On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote: Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. might be the correct interpretation. But this might just be wariness of a feared scum player, if he posted follow up my suspicions would probably subside. I had a slight townread on kush, as one of those (unintentionally) disruptive town players. The gut feel is still there. You just started posting so I'll have a better idea soon enough. | ||
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On October 06 2012 06:54 VisceraEyes wrote: *raises hand* Err ... do you want to talk about the people going against you? | ||
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On October 07 2012 03:34 VisceraEyes wrote: Coagulation My main issue with coag's play hasn't been his inactivity. It's the fact that when asked for his scumreads, he invariably chooses people for reasons he himself is guilty of. Most recently he threw out myself and BC as scumreads, citing activity. Ok that's a flat out misinterpretation. On October 06 2012 05:58 Coagulation wrote: Ve is scummy cause of his activity levels in comparison to other games and he gives up after his butt buddy marv gets lynched is very telling. BC is scummy because he basically has no problem ignoring anything outside of the town spotlight. very un BC like. Coag cites two reasons for VE and one for BC. For VE it is a meta-activity read, and giving up. For BC it is where his attention is directed (also meta-enforced read). At most 1 of three are activity based, and that itself means nothing because he is comparing town VE's activity to this game's VE. For it to be hypocrisy is for town Coag's activity to vary from this game's Coag. Additionally VE chooses to focus on the could-be scumslip instead of fleshing out his main issue, Coag's supposed hypocrisy. Inactivity is a coin-toss for alignment. Direct misinterpretation is not. Also, ##Vote Hapahauli | ||
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On October 07 2012 06:07 Promethelax wrote: I believe it is very scummy, but my reads on VE tend to be less reliable than those on other players (cf. my day 1 case against him in LIII, where he flipped jailkeeper), so I'm taking this one slowly.slOosh, just so I can be sure: you think that VE is scum based on his case on Coag. Is this true? Yes or no? Do you agree with my analysis / have input on VE himself? | ||
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To all concerned that I'm not playing like I usually do - you are all using meta terribly. My playstyle is reactive. I poke and prod and gather information and then bust out a case. If people are lurking and give 1 line responses I can't do my thing. Now that we finally have an open lynch tomorrow and people are actually posting you can expect my "regular" play. Excusing BC because the benefits of an SK is ridiculous - we don't know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game. BC is the best lynch for tomorrow. We have mementoss' claim, and you can see even how he reacted to the claim by discrediting him ("horribly bad townie or mafia") instead of trying to come to mutual understanding. | ||
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##Vote BloodyC0bbler | ||
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It's pointless speculation as to what his name or his role function is. All we know is that if mementoss is telling the truth then scum goon node alone visited BC on N1 and he didn't die. | ||
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On October 09 2012 13:28 Keirathi wrote: I already said I think that there is just as likely a chance that BC is vet as there is that he's third party. Neither option makes more sense than the other. You have no problem with the fact that his initial response to the accusation is to cast doubt on mementoss and discredit him even if he were town? | ||
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On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Lets look at your first post of the game mr Sloosh Now lets really look at the bolded part there. He clearly says if you think someone is scum you should be backing it up. This is important as it shows he really cares about analysis and wants to avoid miss lynches. Its also something a townie sloosh would be doing all game. This is pure fluff plain and simple. Is it an accusation? How is this relevant to the case? If you read this objectively you can see that all it does is set up this figure of a "townie sloosh", something vague and subjective, and because I'm not playing like "townie sloosh" would, I must be scum. On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Note these two posts. A townie sloosh would have discussed his personal views of node originally rather than having to be pushed for them. On top of that given that we know node flipped red, and that shady and austin (who pushed the node case first) were both town. Whats worse is sloosh also discredits the "case" in a sense against node by saying austin just threw out some names and node was latched onto. If there had been no case no one would have taken it, so obviously the case had to be compelling. It is a very subtle defense of node. The only connection to the previous quote is the figure of a "townie sloosh". The first quote talks about my desire that players back up their lynch with analysis. Which I did. I wanted to lynch Shady Sands and I gave my reasoning. There is no contradiction here, but BC is making it look like there is. The context of D1 was that it wasn't really clear where the lynch was going to, the main lynch candidates were afk most of the time and that it was marv who lead the lynch onto Node. It is not "obvious that the case had to be compelling" but BC is twisting the nature of D1 to make it look like this. Furthermore, BC is criticizing me for finding strange someone he himself found weird / suspicious. On October 02 2012 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Austin did what I think is insanely weird play and jumped out at me as scummy whereas annul has only done things that leap out and scream annul. He is one of the few people I find extremely hard to read and always have. On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Now, these posts from day 2 are almost all in order. I skipped one as it was quoted in a response of a response he had to me that I had quoted his post. He starts off by asking for opinions on me. Now, remember the first post of his, and his first post of the game I have up at the top of this post? It comes off as odd as before he shares his own view, he opts to wait until he gets a response. He then tosses up a post that shows why he finds me suspicious yet openly states with the words "I don't understand how he picked the pool" yet then in the next sentence states "I agree with his read on mattchew and can understand the players he picked objectively" He OPENLY STATES HE DOESNT UNDERSTAND. Then states that he does? and that he agrees with one of those reads? He casts doubt via 1 post while agreeing with it and being contradictory in his own post. This is not something someone who was honestly suspicious of me being scum would do. If he believed I was scum for this he would not be this contradictory. Town Sloosh is very careful with his posting, and this is incredibly poor for a post. Don't worry, he then backed off when I explained how I did so, then asked why I thought kush was scum, and when I give a general reason he instantly defends him. Keep in mind this is sloosh' best read to this point. He is damn near certain mattchew is scum, and that kush is town. Again, BC is making out contradictions that don't exist. It is clear that my problem is not in the people themselves (I didn't have town reads on them) but the way he picked them. I'll quote myself to make it clear. On October 04 2012 10:58 slOosh wrote: Yea I know what you mean. Like, a post that scares me is Like, I don't understand how he picked the pool (people marv was fine with lynching and defended from lynching seems to cover the whole pool) and saying that at least 1 is scum seems so prone to a string of mislynches (lynch A, flips town, oh B and C must be more likely to be scum). I'm agreeing with the mattchew read though and can understand the players he picked objectively, but yea it's scary. It's clear my problem is how he picked the pool and how it is "prone to a string of mislynches". If you look at my line of questioning with BC, not only is it to get a read of the three players but it's also to see if he believes what he writes. I ask about kush, then sharrant (replaced by Prom). If he really believes this then his focus should be centered around risk / kush, which it isn't. Even when he throws out his multiple scum reads, he doesn't mention marv at all when talking about risk. Which shows that he doesn't actually believe it but did it to set up strings of mislynches. The latter part again shows this "townie sloosh" and what he would and would not do. Look carefully what he is doing. He isn't calling me scum. He is calling me not "townie sloosh". This is basically a case of meta, but in a way that people won't check for themselves. He is making unsubstantiated claims and trying to get me lynched off a figure that he made up. On October 09 2012 22:41 BloodyC0bbler wrote: His final case that is him justifying his vote on me. Note the lack of case. He wants to lynch me because we as a town "dont know the nature of the 3rd party role, and people are forgetting that it has some higher order win condition that ends the game." He doesn't make a case as to why I am third party, he makes a case that the third party role could end the game. He then states mementoss' claim (which I already responded to) is justification along with how I reacted. Given that mementoss was on my scum read list, given that scum have been trying to get me shanked all game, it is pretty obvious I would be wary of said player. However this is all he has. He hasn't made a single case since day 1 and just seeds doubt. He doesn't state through example posts why he believes he is right, or even attempt to solidly push me, he instead opts to do a 1 post with 0 analysis and seed doubt. A townie sloosh builds cases. The only case sloosh has made this entire game is This has not changed in anything he has said for his strongest scumread. He isn't pushing his scum read. Instead he is pushing a player he has not analyzed and has been seeding doubt on for days for being third party. You know who currently is more scared of me being third party? Scum. Sloosh has done absolutely nothing to help this town, and has sat back in the sidelines. He has stated as a reason for not contributing solid reads is that he is a reactive player, yet he was able to get enough information to build a case day 1 on mattchew (one he never pushed forward to have him lynched btw but was fine defending scum node and killing shady) and has not even touched on him since aside to say "i still think hes scum". Vote sloosh More misinterpretation and lies. The context is clear why I voted BC yet he making out a side point that I'm addressing as the main reason of my vote. He is victimizing himself saying that scum have been trying to kill him all game. I never seeded doubt for days for him being third party. The whole third party thing was only recently brought up with mementoss' claim, which shows that he has inherent guilt - people suspected him as scum but he interprets it as suspect for third party. BloodyC0bbler is backed off into a corner because of mementoss' claim, makes the convenient claim, and then decides to forgo his three main scum reads to deflect the lynch onto someone who has some suspicions pointed toward him, while accusing me of what he is culpable of. There is misinterpretation and lies throughout his case, and it is clear he has a guilty mindset of a third party. Lynch BloodyC0bbler | ||
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On October 09 2012 23:29 kushm4sta wrote: I don't want to lynch BC tomorrow. He is either 3rd party or vet but I haven't seen compelling evidence favoring one or the other. BC's sloosh case - I think a lot of the points BC brings up can be explained by sloosh's afking/disinterest. Basically not reading the thread, which I can't blame him for. I am still undecided whether or not I could bring myself to vote for sloosh. @sloosh how are you so sure that BC is 3rd party and not vet? I'm pretty damn sure. | ||
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On October 09 2012 23:49 risk.nuke wrote: Sloosh, why do you want to lynch into third party rather then scum? My third party read is much much stronger than my scum reads. | ||
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