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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#361
Why does it matter? Do you think I'm scum? If you do, vote for me.

I'm not going to defend myself against talismania's post because there's nothing there. I've contributed as much as I feel I can.

I find it interesting that he's going after me with an "activity tell"....as his first post in the game. Food for thought.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
October 01 2012 20:19 GMT
#362
Lol Marv said this was his normal meta? He should know better than that. This is VE after all. I'm more curious what VE himself says. "Interesting" is not what I expected.

Austin so why'd you make it then? Do you see how it looks like you were basically looking for an excuse to hop on a wagon?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
October 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#363
And I done got ninja'd

My turn to say "interesting". hmm
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
October 01 2012 20:23 GMT
#364
On October 02 2012 05:16 kushm4sta wrote:
So people are expressing displeasure over the kj vote.
What else do you suggest? Realistically.

You say it's a lazy bandwagon but you are too lazy to push another.


The bandwagon isn't lazy itself the way Austin joined it was.

Plenty of people have voiced suspicions of ve. I think there's a possibility there still.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 01 2012 20:27 GMT
#365
@VE
I hadn't seen your reply to my post, so I thought you basically had taken the same path as coag.
I'm fine with your explanations, I just found it weird how you started the thread off by attacking annul.

After reading the last two pages, I'm definitely more inclined for a KJ vote now, especially in light of his reactions after he's getting close to being lynched.

His case against Mementoss is the laziest one I've seen yet. ("he doesn't care about town win condition"). Ironically, dismisses austin's vote as silly, when his own doesn't have a "real reason".
He posted some lame excuse (aka resistance forum) for not being around.
And finally, instead of commenting on the current cases and actually to scumhunt before he dies he spends his time tallying up a vote count. Classic fluff.

So, after proper reading I've had a change of heart.
##Unvote
##Vote kingjames01
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
October 01 2012 20:27 GMT
#366
On October 02 2012 05:19 talismania wrote:
Lol Marv said this was his normal meta? He should know better than that. This is VE after all. I'm more curious what VE himself says. "Interesting" is not what I expected.

Austin so why'd you make it then? Do you see how it looks like you were basically looking for an excuse to hop on a wagon?

I made it because he wrote the word SPIES. That word doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this game.

Same as...q-bertz or whoever writing the word "mole" in bureaucracy. If you know something about a role that nobody knows EXISTS yet, then you're not town.

Spies doesn't exist, he mentions spy reads, therefore he's not town. Turns out spies exist in some similar game, as a normal thing that people know about.
Fe fi fo fum.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 01 2012 20:32 GMT
#367
On October 02 2012 01:33 Risen wrote:
Oh, and if Z-Boson was just trying to get a reaction he would have rode the shit out of Shady like I rode prplhz. It's fine to be telling people how they can post more towny, because in the end scum is going to have to contradict themselves somewhere and their scumhunting is going to get called out, but just dropping the pressure you started and saying "oh hey game can start woo!

That's just so scummy to me.

I don't see that as scummy. Like I said before, my vote was more of a STFU rather than a "I want to lynch Shady Sands because I think he's scum because trolling is anti-town"

However, at the moment I'm becoming more suspicious on Shady Sands due to his lack of follow-up. When he feels pressured he posts a lot more, right now he's just gone AWOL. He's promised cases and disappeared with them. Very odd.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
October 01 2012 20:35 GMT
#368
talis stfu about my "activity tell" and tell me what you think of the content of my posts please. You haven't commented on anything I've said - only said you don't like how much I've said. I know how you work bro, take that tinfoil had off and think for a minute.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Coagulation
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States9633 Posts
October 01 2012 20:37 GMT
#369
On October 02 2012 05:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 01:33 Risen wrote:
Oh, and if Z-Boson was just trying to get a reaction he would have rode the shit out of Shady like I rode prplhz. It's fine to be telling people how they can post more towny, because in the end scum is going to have to contradict themselves somewhere and their scumhunting is going to get called out, but just dropping the pressure you started and saying "oh hey game can start woo!

That's just so scummy to me.

I don't see that as scummy. Like I said before, my vote was more of a STFU rather than a "I want to lynch Shady Sands because I think he's scum because trolling is anti-town"

However, at the moment I'm becoming more suspicious on Shady Sands due to his lack of follow-up. When he feels pressured he posts a lot more, right now he's just gone AWOL. He's promised cases and disappeared with them. Very odd.


Looks like you better throw him back under the buss before its too late. Gotta get that town cred amiright?
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
October 01 2012 20:40 GMT
#370
I did comment on your content in that post w two points. One I thought you might have been baiting annul a bit with your tortured argument for how calling someone a bitch is different than saying someone is acting like a bitch. Second that you were only commenting on low hanging fruit discussion-wise. I like that you asked Marv what he thought about annul for instance but then where did it go? I'm just used to you being more coversational. I don't know you as town to sit back and make medium sized posts every now and then. As scum though, you do do that.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 01 2012 20:40 GMT
#371
On October 02 2012 05:27 austinmcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 05:19 talismania wrote:
Lol Marv said this was his normal meta? He should know better than that. This is VE after all. I'm more curious what VE himself says. "Interesting" is not what I expected.

Austin so why'd you make it then? Do you see how it looks like you were basically looking for an excuse to hop on a wagon?

I made it because he wrote the word SPIES. That word doesn't appear ANYWHERE in this game.

Same as...q-bertz or whoever writing the word "mole" in bureaucracy. If you know something about a role that nobody knows EXISTS yet, then you're not town.

Spies doesn't exist, he mentions spy reads, therefore he's not town. Turns out spies exist in some similar game, as a normal thing that people know about.



-_- if you read the OP you would clearly see above the roles that all in the game are included but details of them are not known.

If their was a role with the name of spy everyone would know about it just not what it does.

You jumping on him for something that is obviously not a role and wanting to lynch screams to me "i found a powerrole, lets lynch it"

You have a horrible reason for jumping on KJ and it screams desperate for a reason to lynch him.

As for everyone else currently voting. What exactly did he do that he hasn't done as town before? I am serious, KJ has behaved near identical in wtfness in games as town before, been lynched for it and we all groan and sigh. Again as a reader I have seen near no backlash to said lynch which means it seems people don't give a shit about it. Any lynch with such a passive case with near no push against it suggests mafia are fine with said lynch.

I am going to sort through the thread now in more detail but seriously this is retarded. Killing an active player day 1 on the case built so far is appalling. People are being allowed to get by with 0 posting (I am at fault currently for not posting) and random shit isn't being called out for shitty behaviour.

Going to read and analyze currently, hopefully I can find something salvagable in this day.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 01 2012 20:41 GMT
#372
On October 02 2012 05:37 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 05:32 Z-BosoN wrote:
On October 02 2012 01:33 Risen wrote:
Oh, and if Z-Boson was just trying to get a reaction he would have rode the shit out of Shady like I rode prplhz. It's fine to be telling people how they can post more towny, because in the end scum is going to have to contradict themselves somewhere and their scumhunting is going to get called out, but just dropping the pressure you started and saying "oh hey game can start woo!

That's just so scummy to me.

I don't see that as scummy. Like I said before, my vote was more of a STFU rather than a "I want to lynch Shady Sands because I think he's scum because trolling is anti-town"

However, at the moment I'm becoming more suspicious on Shady Sands due to his lack of follow-up. When he feels pressured he posts a lot more, right now he's just gone AWOL. He's promised cases and disappeared with them. Very odd.


Looks like you better throw him back under the buss before its too late. Gotta get that town cred amiright?

Yea, I also did that with kingjames. Look how townie I look now!!
Please wait while I give an explanation for these! Oh wait, I already did, nvm.
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
October 01 2012 20:45 GMT
#373
I'm getting an I don't give a fuck tell from shady, not a scumtell.

That's why he's not here.

I played with him when he was scum and he posted a lot under pressure. in newb 25
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
October 01 2012 20:46 GMT
#374
On October 02 2012 05:45 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm getting an I don't give a fuck tell from shady, not a scumtell.

That's why he's not here.

I played with him when he was scum and he posted a lot under pressure. in newb 25


Except he's not under pressure at all..... so what you're saying just isn't true....
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Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
October 01 2012 20:57 GMT
#375
On October 02 2012 05:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again as a reader I have seen near no backlash to said lynch which means it seems people don't give a shit about it. Any lynch with such a passive case with near no push against it suggests mafia are fine with said lynch.

That is another reason Im starting to feel a bit bad about him. Him moving on from extremely general advice to the whole thread about "we need to play like this guys" to taking light jabs at a lurker or two (who admittedly didnt contribute much) also follows what I could see being a inexperienced player trying to get out of trouble.

That said I still dont really feel comfortable voting Kush either. He is very hard to read but as marv pointed out this might be town-kush playing and not mafia-kush.

Too bad the deadline is pretty much the worst ever for me (at about 2h before I get up for work) so I wont be able to change my vote should anything come up the last 4-5h. Im still leaning towards KJ because its seemingly much less of a loss mislynching him than someone more active though. I'll try to make up my mind in the next 2h or so and present my vote.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 01 2012 21:03 GMT
#376
On October 01 2012 19:13 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 17:25 Kreb wrote:
On October 01 2012 16:53 risk.nuke wrote:
##Vote Shady
On the KingJames situation. You guys sure can take some grass and call it a forest. Or misrepresenting and lying as the factual terms are. I dislike defending people unless I'm heavily certain they are town but I mean spouting bullshit on how he's been fake-contributing day1 while half the thread have barely said a word strikes me as heavily weird. More suspicious still the people praising it as legit case. You can't all be scum so are you deliberately ignorant?

Yes, because fake-contributing is more scummy than not contributing at all. It should be quite common to have both town and scum hiding among the low post count and little contribution posters. But there is no reason for a town to fake contribute ever (even though new town players probably often feel that way). There are motives for both town and scum to lurk, but there are no (good) motives for town to fake-contribute.

Not only do you seem unaware/ignorant of this, your post also raises other questions/concerns:
1) Point me towards the "spouting bullshit" parts. You make it sound like you're disagreeing he is fake-contributing. Is that correct? Whats your take on his posting in that case, if you dont see it as fake-contributing?
2) You vote person A and spend time writing why you didnt vote person B. You havent said a word to back up your Shady vote, and the only thing your filter contains is a suggested Kush-vote. So why did you vote Shady?
3) Are you sitll in favor of a Kush-vote? If so, why?

Fist things first. Now you don't have the first clue about what fake-contribution is which makes it difficult to discuss the subject. A person fake-contributing is someone floating around, have proven to be active + Show Spoiler +
otherwise they must fall into the lurker category untill they reach a certain amount of posts which has nothing whatsoever do to with their posts/day ratio) Meaning they can be both lurkers and fake-contributers but not for a couple of days.
and at a first glance looks too be blending in but taking a closer looks you see the majority of this persons contributions belong for instance and example in the following categorys. Setup-speculation, answering general and setup related questions or alignment speculation and other things but scumhunting. I like to define the categorys as posts scum can make without advancing the thread in any way and extend it to answering questions that if they don't answer or post it someone else very likely will. Note: this can include important and even great posts if they fall in the category someone else was bound to post it sooner or later.

As for most fake-contributing posts they are not some sort of evil posts in disguise only visible to your lens of truth. They are simply general posts and most often helpful to a lesser degree. Most importantly what you don't grasp is both townies and scum do them and are because of this null-tells. I have absolutely no idea what you mean when you say townies have absolutely no purpose fake-contributing. It's purified dumb.

1 Having now explained the term fake-contributor I can answer your post. It's bullshit to call someone a fake-contributor day 1 almost without exception because it's in generally to early to tell the persons agenda.
2 I voted for shady because it's down to him versus KingJames. Additionally I agreed and considered Shady being scummy even as I suggested the kush lynch. Which was done because I didn't want to sheep others the first thing I did (because there is little value in that) and because I wanted to discuss other candidates then shady (which was shutdown asap by marv, but nevertheless told me something about marv) As for why I choose kush the filters weren't implied so I picked the first suspicious filter I found.
3 A kush lynch i don't see happening and a voteswitch to kush now I'd disagree with because my suspicion against a successful late bandwagon switch would be greater then my suspicion against kush. (Node. you're late to the party.) If you rephrase the question. Am I still suspicious against kush I will tell you I think kush is scummier now then I did at the time I suggested the vote on him.



This is by far one of the scummiest posts I have read in this game so far. First off if you notice the bolded section I made nice for you guys by his second point to his "answer" to kreb you will notice him directly lying. He never once said he found shady scummy while suggesting a new lynch. His only posts before attempting to "push" a new choice was his in post, saying how epic drH games were, then saying we should vote for kush.

You know what he didnt do? Tell people why he thinks we should kill kush, why he thinks kush is even a valid lynch choice. Pushing a lynch or attempting to push a lynch usually means justification is needed. He doesn't even give a reason except hes suspicious. Yet has stated that he finds the person he wanted to lynch scummier now then he originally did. WHY IS HE NOT PUSHING THIS. A townie should not in any circumstance be fine with killing someone else without at least attempting to push their own read if they are more certain of it.

The following posts risk have made since this one have all been fluff and actually follow through on his entire "fake contribution" non sense. He states you cannot determine someones agenda day 1 but you can easily do so if a person is being so obvious about it.

I am going to continue reading through the thread more but this is post screams red to me as it as well as every post he has done since has screamed "fake contribution" and not actually caring about the game.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 01 2012 21:06 GMT
#377
On October 02 2012 05:57 Kreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 05:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Again as a reader I have seen near no backlash to said lynch which means it seems people don't give a shit about it. Any lynch with such a passive case with near no push against it suggests mafia are fine with said lynch.

That is another reason Im starting to feel a bit bad about him. Him moving on from extremely general advice to the whole thread about "we need to play like this guys" to taking light jabs at a lurker or two (who admittedly didnt contribute much) also follows what I could see being a inexperienced player trying to get out of trouble.

That said I still dont really feel comfortable voting Kush either. He is very hard to read but as marv pointed out this might be town-kush playing and not mafia-kush.

Too bad the deadline is pretty much the worst ever for me (at about 2h before I get up for work) so I wont be able to change my vote should anything come up the last 4-5h. Im still leaning towards KJ because its seemingly much less of a loss mislynching him than someone more active though. I'll try to make up my mind in the next 2h or so and present my vote.


As someone who is familiar with KJ as a player. When he gets going, he is one of the most active players you can see in a game. If he fails to keep up said activity once it starts, or is pushing insanely mafia aligned moves then it is likely he is scum, however I have yet to personally see anything from him that isn't part of his normal meta. Also, given that near no one is contributing in meaningful ways at the moment having shitty posts from people is going to happen. Attempting to force discussion is fucking hard and near no one does it without looking bad.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BlackMamba24
Profile Joined August 2012
United States277 Posts
October 01 2012 21:21 GMT
#378
Day 1 Vote Count

Shady Sands (3): Marvellosity, Coagulation, kushm4sta, Risen, iamperfection

kingjames01 (7): keirathi, mkfuba07, kreb, marvellosity, VisceraEyes, Mattchew, kushm4sta, austinmcc, Z-Boson

kushm4sta (3): Node, Mementoss, annul

VisceraEyes (1): Talismania, Z-Boson

Mementoss (1): kingjames01

The following players have not voted: AdmiralAardvark, BloodyC0bbler, ShiaoPi, austinmcc, risk.nuke, Sharrant, SlOosh, Kreb, Shady Sands, BroodKingEXE.

Friendly reminder to use the Voting Thread to have your vote counted.
If there are any mistakes PM me and let me know.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
October 01 2012 21:35 GMT
#379
Looking through the thread the only people who stand out as people I would want to lynch today are austin, risk, and mattchew.


Given the play I have witnessed, I feel austin and risk have a higher chance at striking red compared to mattchew given that its day 1.

I am unsure as of which I will vote for. One has what I think is the worst post in the thread given following behaviour, the other appears to be rolefishing/attempting to lynch someone with obvious fucked logic/trying to lynch a potential blue claim.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
October 01 2012 21:39 GMT
#380
BC shows up and posts a great amount of shit.
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