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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 02 2012 05:45 GMT
#601
On October 02 2012 14:27 debears wrote:
ebwop - if you want me to bring up the posts on my defense against your meta/"soft defend of kush" and the "scumslip" then I will


It should be obvious from my case against you that I have read your filter in depth. Of course I don't believe a lot of what you are saying. I think you are scum.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 02 2012 05:47 GMT
#602
Also. To those whom I promised cookies.


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"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 02 2012 05:52 GMT
#603
Hold up. Not retarded. I wasn't going to dive too much into this because I feel a little bad using a possible mod-warning for arguments. Let's take a look at what happened.

@6:56 - kush begins going apeshit, throwing thoughtless posts
On September 29 2012 06:56 kushm4sta wrote:
wow only 2 votes. it seems like everyone wants to lynch me and I make imo the vest case and no one even cares because they want to lynch me so bad.

On September 29 2012 06:57 kushm4sta wrote:
it seems like I am.beyond helping myself. why would I want to help a town that is going to lynch me

On September 29 2012 07:08 kushm4sta wrote:
sorry guys I'm being stupid. moretryhard coming regardless of if you lynch me.
also zbosom your case sucks really bad lol.
everyone is thinking it. I'm not afraidbto hurt your feelings though.

On September 29 2012 07:32 kushm4sta wrote:
zboso I dead will be more valuableble than you alive...dat debears case


And finally:

On September 29 2012 07:44 kushm4sta wrote:
debears I saved you bro...scumteam 4 lyfe


50 minutes later...

@8:35: whole different tone. Apologetic, calm.

On September 29 2012 08:35 kushm4sta wrote:
OFC I can remedy. You are the remedy for my sadness.
What I meant is at the last second every consolidates on 1 afker because they can't decide on someone active to lynch.
It keeps pressure on scum because scum feel like they still have a chance of being lynched, rather than if you just say from the beginning "yeah we're gonna lynch an afk"

On September 29 2012 08:39 kushm4sta wrote:
It felt hopeless honestly. See my drive to do well is inherently connecting to self survival and when I think I'm going to die that drive goes away.
Everyone said they wanted to lynch me... it was either me or an afker and it was definitely going to be me.

On September 29 2012 08:58 kushm4sta wrote:
i apologize btw


@9:28: Then, he slowly regresses to his dumb desperate self, insulting my case and so forth.:

On September 29 2012 09:28 kushm4sta wrote:
darth is going to be so happy when he gets back

On September 29 2012 10:05 kushm4sta wrote:
all vote kush then you can afk until d2

On September 29 2012 11:33 kushm4sta wrote:
he thinks your base on debears is bad.. I know you try harded on it and I'm sorry dude. Just wait he's going to think it's bad.





It all came right after that post. I'm not going to go into details, won't use it as an argument, but it's not like I can just ignore it.

At a glance, Alsn's posting seem much scummier than yours. I'm almost certain one of you, if not both of you are scum at this point. It's just that, you being scum, it all fits, including some other thoughts of my own. Regardless of what you come out as, he's likely gonna come off lynched day 3, and I will see to that.

##Vote debears









Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 02 2012 05:55 GMT
#604
@DarthPunk

What do you mean by the bolded part? Can you please clarify?

Because. I stated very clearly that I would vote for whoever did the most scum hunting. You then proceed to tunnell alsn like a maniac. Who also happens to be your direct lynch opponent. And alsn does not seem to want to do things which he believes are anti town to fulfil some arbitrary objective I set. But you do. Just like what I said about lurker lynches. If you give scum a goal in order to be safe. They will set out to meet this goal. I gave you both a 'goal'. you compromised and backtracked on what you previously had stated was anit town. (Tunnelling hard) Alsn did not nearly as much.


Where did you state this?
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 02 2012 06:00 GMT
#605
On October 02 2012 14:55 Z-BosoN wrote:
@DarthPunk

What do you mean by the bolded part? Can you please clarify?

Show nested quote +
Because. I stated very clearly that I would vote for whoever did the most scum hunting. You then proceed to tunnell alsn like a maniac. Who also happens to be your direct lynch opponent. And alsn does not seem to want to do things which he believes are anti town to fulfil some arbitrary objective I set. But you do. Just like what I said about lurker lynches. If you give scum a goal in order to be safe. They will set out to meet this goal. I gave you both a 'goal'. you compromised and backtracked on what you previously had stated was anit town. (Tunnelling hard) Alsn did not nearly as much.


Where did you state this?



On October 01 2012 15:01 DarthPunk wrote:
Addendum:
So it is a race on who can make the best cases to see who gets my vote. DjoDref has done this. Alsn hasn't really made a scum read yet despite multiple very long posts. You have made a case on Alsn and corrosion. I would like to hear a succinct summary of your top scum reads from all of you.

But I guess it is only fair to vote for the one whom has contributed the least firm cases at this point.

##:Unvote

##Vote: Alsn

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 02 2012 06:03 GMT
#606
So you typoed?
The bolded part says that you would lynch whoever made the most scumhunting.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 02 2012 06:04 GMT
#607
On October 02 2012 15:03 Z-BosoN wrote:
So you typoed?
The bolded part says that you would lynch whoever made the most scumhunting.


Yeah typo. Sorry. Should be the least.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Djodref
Profile Joined September 2012
France3332 Posts
October 02 2012 06:04 GMT
#608
He sais he would vote for the guy who was going to do the less amount of scumhunting between Alsn, Debears and me.
Probably at the end of N1, iirc.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 02 2012 06:10 GMT
#609
Then why, if you had such enormous respect for him, would you call him a 'little bitch' in your very next post?
Because you were flip-flopping and you decided to bus and wanted to make it seem genuine.


The statement implied that, if he was town, he was that. It was an emotional statement regardless. I was angry at him.

So you had an epihony? yet later you state that Kush could flip town and that I may be scum leading town astray? that does not fit at all.


That statement was in reference to why I didn't hardcore chase kush with you early. Instead, early in the game, I told you to essentially chill out. Also, you are reading out of context. It was a response to Z-Bo's accusation on my early FOS on kush, which is consistent with my confusion about my meta read on you.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 30 2012 04:58 debears wrote:
@zbo

I'm gonna try to do this from my phone.

Show nested quote +
EXCEPT THAT YOU HAD A FOS ON HIM!!!! Do you know what it means to be suspicious of someone? You don't follow up a case you've made against someone with: "look for coaches", they help town a lot!! You didn't say explicitly that you thought him town, but you absolutely ignore your previous post on him only to never mention it again. This reeks of an empty case, you know, the ones that mafia are forced to make.


When did i have a FOS against djo? You put this under the section against djo.

Another thing i want to address is your assumption that early d1 posts and cases carry a lot of weight. They don't.my cases against you and djo were based on the suspiciousness of your posts. They weren't full on you're scum in depth cases. Besides, people change their minds a bit on d1.

The next thing i want to address is your assumption on the weight and meaning of a fos. To me, a fos is a heads up that Im suspicious of you qnd ill be watching. It doesnt necessarily mean I'm gonna make a huge case on you.

Finally, i want to address your assumptions of what townies do d1. As a townie, i have no idea who is what. Its confusing as hell. Why wouldnt i change my mind and explore more than kush d1. There are more than 1 scum.

How am i supposed to know whether darth himself is scum trying to push an easy target (i will expand more on this tonight when i am at my computer) or whether he is a townie truly overconfident in his belief about kush being scum. A good case doesnt necessarily mean someone is town. Look at my case against thrawn last game.

Finally, why does everyone seem so damn confident in their reads? Especially on day 1?



It is a stupid argument? you will have to do better than that. Because a.) it is not a stupid argument. And b.) I think you have trouble defending against it because it is damning.


So you think Z-Bo's modwarning assocation case is reasonable? Especially before kush even flipped? Wow. I would like to here some analysis from the coaches/mods on this post game.

Also, why wouldn't someone separate themselves from someone who is considered scum by the whole town? Eveyone had their vote on kush. A townie like me does the same shit as a mafia in case he actually does, which I was pretty convinced of atm.

Also, you honestly think I would have trouble defending myself from a stupid association case? Did you even see me as scum last game? When I was guilty of hardcore sheeping onto Thrawn all d1, I managed to fight my way out of that. Now, when I am innocent, why would I have any trouble now? This stupid case is way less damning than a early hardcore town read sheep case when the whole town is on my ass.

Because. I stated very clearly that I would vote for whoever did the most scum hunting. You then proceed to tunnell alsn like a maniac. Who also happens to be your direct lynch opponent. And alsn does not seem to want to do things which he believes are anti town to fulfil some arbitrary objective I set. But you do. Just like what I said about lurker lynches. If you give scum a goal in order to be safe. They will set out to meet this goal. I gave you both a 'goal'. you compromised and backtracked on what you previously had stated was anit town. (Tunnelling hard) Alsn did not nearly as much.


When did you state this vote thing? Also, you contradict yourself by saying it's an "objective you set" although you say you would vote for "whoever did the most scum hunting". Second, there's a reason he's a direct lynch opponent and I'm suspicious of him, it's because he is acting extremely scummy. And the Alsn doesn't want to do anti-town....what does that mean? How is him doing nothing pro town? Why is he avoiding doing any scumhunting and answering my case against him for example?

This whole "goal to be safe" for scum is WIFOM. Your an idiot. If you actually did set this "scumhunting standard", then you are a retard if you think it's a scum trap. Any actual townie would make extensive cases like I have. Now, you are damning me for what you did d1. Also, I wasn't just tunneling him early on. I had a scum read on corrosion. Unfortunately, he decided to stop posting and the mods said they were gonna release info about him soon, which they have not.

Your reasoning has blatant holes. Take off your confirmation bias goggles for a while and actually read through my filter looking at my explanations, motivations, etc from a townie and mafia perspective. Then, make a decision.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 02 2012 06:10 GMT
#610
ebwop see the most scumhunting part. the part about why a townie would do it still stands. It's what you would expect a townie to do anyways
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 02 2012 06:16 GMT
#611
On October 02 2012 14:45 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2012 14:27 debears wrote:
ebwop - if you want me to bring up the posts on my defense against your meta/"soft defend of kush" and the "scumslip" then I will


It should be obvious from my case against you that I have read your filter in depth. Of course I don't believe a lot of what you are saying. I think you are scum.


Ah sweet confirmation bias
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
October 02 2012 06:16 GMT
#612
k im off to bed. cya in the morn!
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
October 02 2012 06:31 GMT
#613
Hi guys, I just got told I'm subbing in for Lesrah. In brief, I've played a few rounds before and I'm looking forward to catching some scum with everyone else here.

I'll be off to bed soon and will probably be at work until late tomorrow. Sometime between now and then I'll check through Kushm4sta's filter to see what sort of associative tells I can get. Until then, glhf everyone.
Что?
thrawn2112
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6918 Posts
October 02 2012 06:32 GMT
#614
Shady Sands will be replacing corrosion as of now. Everyone say hi!
"People think they know all these things about other people, and if you ask them why they think they know that, it'd be hard for them to be convincing." ES
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 02 2012 06:33 GMT
#615
On October 02 2012 15:31 Shady Sands wrote:
Hi guys, I just got told I'm subbing in for Lesrah. In brief, I've played a few rounds before and I'm looking forward to catching some scum with everyone else here.

I'll be off to bed soon and will probably be at work until late tomorrow. Sometime between now and then I'll check through Kushm4sta's filter to see what sort of associative tells I can get. Until then, glhf everyone.


OMG!!! Hi shady <3
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Sonic Death Monkey
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden991 Posts
October 02 2012 06:33 GMT
#616
@Boson, could you explain what you're saying saying in your last case against Debears? Is it the mod warning case again? If so you don't have to explain.
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
October 02 2012 06:34 GMT
#617
ebwop Corrosion. omg i'm so sorry =(
Что?
Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
October 02 2012 06:34 GMT
#618
Hi Darth! <3
Что?
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
October 02 2012 06:41 GMT
#619
Hello shady! At least this game you won't be lynched day 1
Allright guys, I'm still torn on the lynch choice for today, big post incoming.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10854 Posts
October 02 2012 06:46 GMT
#620
On October 02 2012 15:41 Z-BosoN wrote:
Hello shady! At least this game you won't be lynched day 1
Allright guys, I'm still torn on the lynch choice for today, big post incoming.


Looking forward to it.

I am liking both Alsn and debears scum team. But that would be too easy right?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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