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RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 02 2012 17:50 GMT
#701
EBWOP - Also mine included those*
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 02 2012 17:52 GMT
#703
Damn posting from phone ducks

EBWOP – I made those arguments first
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 03 2012 11:57 GMT
#749
@ Omni

Alsn was a pretty hot topic during D2, yet you don't add much to the discussion. It looks like you are distancing yourself from a possible Alsn lynch.

On October 02 2012 03:08 Omniscient4983 wrote:
Debears without a doubt. Djodref I see as leaning town and Alsn is still pretty null / slightly scum for me, even after previewing some cases against him.


Here for example. You say Alsn is still pretty null / slightly scum after previewing some cases against him. Why don't you bring those up and try to get more information out of Alsn. If he is a hot topic and a likely lynch candidate, shouldn't you be looking into that a bit more?

On October 02 2012 03:08 Omniscient4983 wrote:
Overall, my slightly-town reads are:

Djodref, Corrosion, BosoN, and of course, Darth

My best scum read is Debears, and a slight scum-read is on Alsn.

The rest (especially Lesrah!!! haha) Are fairly null.


Here you say you have a slight scum read on Alsn. You don't give any reasons. There has been almost no information out of you that has to do with Alsn. He is on the verge of being lynched, and you seem to distance yourself from him.

On October 02 2012 10:54 Omniscient4983 wrote:
I'll be reviewing the Alsn case tomorrow after my classes let out. I should be getting home just before lynch time, so I hope can get my thoughts in about Alsn. I'll consider changing my vote based upon these observations. Good night, gentlemen. See you at the gallows.


Lastly, you promise a case against Alsn, yet it never happens.

Conclusion - You are mafia distancing yourself from a possible Alsn lynch. You know he is going to flip town.
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 03 2012 11:57 GMT
#750
EBWOP - Going to work now, I'll be on my phone.
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 03 2012 15:52 GMT
#784
On October 01 2012 07:47 RemedySC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:56 Omniscient4983 wrote:

Thoughts on night actions:

On October 01 2012 05:14 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL. Seems scum really went for it. Nice medic save!


I'm guessing scum targeted Darth, and the medic saved him. He was the obvious candidate for NK, but the mafia tried to kill him anyway despite there being a high chance that a medic would be on him. This means that scum is desperate to get Darth out of the game. Why? Not only was he correct about Kush, but he gave his 3 top scum reads during the night in this order:

Debears
Djodref
Alsn


From my perspective: since scum targeted Darth, one of his three reads has a high likelihood of being correct. If he was headed in the wrong direction with these reads, scum would have taken out someone else and let him lead us astray. Attempting to NK Darth was a huge risk, but I believe it's one scum had to take because he was so on track, and having him alive would spell their doom in the end.

What does everyone else think?


Omni, you seem very sure of your prediction, and actually very detailed. Maybe a mafia trying to cover up after a bad night? At first you say you are guessing, but by your second paragraph you seem pretty sure of yourself.

I'm pointing this out because there are many more possibilities as to what happened, and I think speculating on this a waste of time. Also this could be a way of sidetracking the discussion.

As for what else could have happened -

1) Scum could have hit someone (DarthPunk or otherwise) and they were saved/jailed
2) A JK jailed the scum who took the shot.
3) Whoever got shot was a veteran
4) Scum didn't send in night actions (Not likely)


That's why I think your "thoughts" are more mafia motivated.

##FOS Omniscient4983


I just want to point out that this is what could have happened N1. We can really only speculate on what occurred to cause no one to die.

Lets just hope it happens again.


RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 03 2012 20:23 GMT
#799
Did anyone get role blocked?
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 04 2012 01:35 GMT
#818
On October 04 2012 08:22 Z-BosoN wrote:
GG Dp. I'll catch the last scum in your honor!

Also, Omni assumed corrosion townie, and actually made a half-assed case against RSC based on something RSC did not say. RSC didn't like corrosion's reason to vote for kush, not that he's attacking corrosion for voting kush, plus corrosion's weirdness regarding the lynch.

Of course, bad case != scum, but why the hell is he saying corrosion is town? If you look through corrosion's filter, he looks pretty damn scummy. RSC later pressured him because of this, and he felt pressured enough to make a full townie case on corrosion, that pretty much includes: "corrosion said nice case! scum don't like saying those things!".

I'm actually considering him for real as a day3 lynch.


Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 07:21 Omniscient4983 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
I've been reading through RemedySC's filter. I found his last post in particular a bit odd.

+ Show Spoiler +
On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Let me just state the reasons that my vote is on Kush right now:

I'm sorry, but I don't believe these are reasons a town would choose to make a vote.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
1) I think his explanation of the slip was poor. If he had given a good explanation, I might have believed him.



So the scum slip itself doesn't give you good reason to vote for him, but his poor defense does? A mafia making a scum slip could have the best explanation in the world. That doesn't exonerate them.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
2) I've been thinking about who would benefit if the result is a no-lynch. I'm thinking mafia is likely to benefit the most from a no-lynch.

So your second reason isn't even something that Kush has done. Wouldn't you also say that mafia would benefit from a mis-lynch more than from a no-lynch? Could you elaborate more on the bolded part, because you give no explanation as to how a mafia would benefit more from a no-lynch.

On September 29 2012 21:59 corrosion wrote:
Right now, I think that there's more than a 25 % chance that Kush is scum. Therefore, I'm voting for him. I'm not sure if any of these points are original. I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread, because I tend to get hanged up in details.

You would think a town would want to be more than 25% sure the person they are voting for is scum. You don't even have any cases made against kush. No questions asked. Very vague reasons given...


I find it odd that RSC was attacking Corrosion for voting Kush. At this point in the game, RSC had already cast his vote for Kush, and his best reason was:

On September 29 2012 12:14 RemedySC wrote:

You [Kush] are not creating an ideal atmosphere.


RSC doesn't really have much motivation for voting Kush, other than the fact that he's disruptive to the gameplay environment. Yet, he picks apart Corrosion for voting him. I don't understand why he'd attack Corrosion's "poor reasons" at all. Take a look at the bolded part of the spoiler. He condemns Corrosion for not having made any cases again Kush, yet RSC himself hasn't done anything of the sort. RSC hasn't posted anything in regards to Kush being scum besides the "creating a bad atmosphere" and "not posting in a pro-town manner" argument. RSC doesn't seem to be any more sure than Corrosion is about lynching Kush, yet he is condemning Corrosion for having bad reasoning. His post seems hypocritical to me.

@RemedySC
Why, if you had voted Kush with such little evidence, were you outing Corrosion for doing something similar? You almost seemed as if you were defending Kush for no reason in this post.

I'm curious, and would like to hear your opinion on things.



This is one thing that irked me about Omni, and i was going to look into it more, but Djo pretty much says he has town reads on everyone but Debears and Stutters. The only two other people still in the game, and Stutters in Darth's view is town.

On October 03 2012 03:36 Djodref wrote:
First let me say that I'm getting a very strong town read on Z-BosoN and I really like his posts and his cases. I might be too gullible for a newbie but he definitively has an influence on my thinking process while I read the thread. Like him, I'm pretty much sure that debears/Alsn is our scumteam but I spent much more thinking time into debears.


On October 03 2012 22:12 Djodref wrote:
Last time I've checked Omni's filter, I had a slight town-read on him. I think he is a newbie town sheeping onto cases. To be honest, I think the same of the late corrosion, Remedy and Omni. I guess my filter has a little of the same flavor. So I easily sympathize with them and don't try to look more into it..


On October 01 2012 01:29 Djodref wrote:
His filter makes more sense with the second option, especially when I look at his latest posts.
So I have a mild town-read on him. SDM and Darth are for me almost confirmed townies so I feel bad to have them both suspecting me.


I'm going to have to go through both of them and see what I can come up with though.
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 01:39 GMT
#875
I'm having second thoughts on Omni, and I don't want to speculate too much, but reading this post again I started to wonder...

On October 01 2012 05:56 Omniscient4983 wrote:

Thoughts on night actions:

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:14 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL. Seems scum really went for it. Nice medic save!


I'm guessing scum targeted Darth, and the medic saved him. He was the obvious candidate for NK, but the mafia tried to kill him anyway despite there being a high chance that a medic would be on him. This means that scum is desperate to get Darth out of the game. Why? Not only was he correct about Kush, but he gave his 3 top scum reads during the night in this order:

Debears
Djodref
Alsn


From my perspective: since scum targeted Darth, one of his three reads has a high likelihood of being correct. If he was headed in the wrong direction with these reads, scum would have taken out someone else and let him lead us astray. Attempting to NK Darth was a huge risk, but I believe it's one scum had to take because he was so on track, and having him alive would spell their doom in the end.

What does everyone else think?


This comment is pretty detailed. Now if he was mafia, could this be his thoughts on his attempted hit? Why would he write such a post as mafia? He seems pretty sure that mafia targeted Darth, and as mafia he would know...

I am thinking though, that he could maybe be the medic that saved darth night one. Totally speculating, but I don't want to mislynch again. Also think about, Omni hadn't posted since before N2 started. If he was mafia you would think he would at least come into the thread to say something during the night when he makes his target. If he was the medic though, it could explain the lack of a save since he has been absent since D2...

Does anyone have any other thoughts on this?
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 04:04 GMT
#877
No it doesn't explain his filter

I am also remembering reading somewhere, that if you think he could be the doctor, than he is most likely scum. Is that correct?

But I'll re-quote that post, because I believe there is some significance to it.

So again, why make this post as mafia? -

On October 01 2012 05:56 Omniscient4983 wrote:

Thoughts on night actions:

Show nested quote +
On October 01 2012 05:14 DarthPunk wrote:
LOL. Seems scum really went for it. Nice medic save!


I'm guessing scum targeted Darth, and the medic saved him. He was the obvious candidate for NK, but the mafia tried to kill him anyway despite there being a high chance that a medic would be on him. This means that scum is desperate to get Darth out of the game. Why? Not only was he correct about Kush, but he gave his 3 top scum reads during the night in this order:

Debears
Djodref
Alsn


From my perspective: since scum targeted Darth, one of his three reads has a high likelihood of being correct. If he was headed in the wrong direction with these reads, scum would have taken out someone else and let him lead us astray. Attempting to NK Darth was a huge risk, but I believe it's one scum had to take because he was so on track, and having him alive would spell their doom in the end.

What does everyone else think?


Why have such an out of the blue description of what could have happened? He seems to know a lot about what scum would have done in this situation.

For mafia motivation I can see him trying to lead us to three lynches, which we've already done one.
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 05:01 GMT
#884
That's why that post is bugging me. He seems to have a clear idea on the NK rationale of scum. I can really only think of two explanations. He is either scum or doctor.

I really dislike speculating also, but when he is our number one scum read, I would like to consider the possibilities.

So until he responds i'll throw my vote on him.

##vote Omniscient4983
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 05:40 GMT
#895
Be back in the am.

NIght!
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 17:12 GMT
#963
Will be home in about 45.

We will have to come to a consensus, all of us have to be voting on one person if stutters and omni don't show up to secure a lynch.
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 18:30 GMT
#1004
Interesting roleclaim, and I agree unless we have a counterclaim it is more than likely legit.

Home now, so i'll take my vote off omni for now.

##Unvote
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 19:16 GMT
#1025
Well Z-bo or Debears would probably give us the most information, since Omni is likely to be modkilled.

What do you think SDM?
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 19:37 GMT
#1033
My vote.

##Vote Omniscient4983
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 19:46 GMT
#1037
SDM still here?
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 19:49 GMT
#1040
I think if the mafia isn't Omni, it is debears or Boson.

Djo still around?
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 19:50 GMT
#1043
Omni is getting lynched, Boson and Debears I think would be a good choice. Shady is shady, but with your read if it is right, that leaves only those two.
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 19:51 GMT
#1045
Decisive as fuck also here! Damnit!
RemedySC
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada176 Posts
October 05 2012 19:52 GMT
#1047
Djo thoughts?
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