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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 00:39 marvellosity wrote: I'd like to point out that PMs from hosts may not be shared under any circumstances. Further, the notifications for mafia roleblocker, town roleblocker, and Jailkeeper would all say the same thing. I cant copy/paste the text or do you mean screenshots? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 00:36 Dandel Ion wrote: It would make zero sense for a town RB (RB doesn't protect from nighthits) to block thrawn of all people. unless they thought I was scum Also Dandel if rethos/you are town then obviously I can't expect you to be able to defend his actions but imo what he said was scummy enough for me to keep the vote on you unless you change my mind about that. So who do you propose lynching? On September 22 2012 00:16 Sharrant wrote: Hey, guys. I can 100% guarantee you that SDM was not the one who role blocked THrawn. Somebody else did that. Why am I so sure? Because I was roleblocked, and it had previously been discussed me being RB'ed by the jailor so that I wouldn't die. It makes no sense for anyone else to RB me, either we have a seperate town RB'er who is still very suspicious of me, or we have a very bad mafia RB'er who thought RB'ing a mason would actually do something. In my mind it's much more likely SDM RB'ed me, and a townie or mafia RB'ed Thrawn. Thrawn, I would like to know exactly how your RB text was written. EXACTLY. Please. Now here's where things get tricky. I assume SDM RB'ed me to save me. And there was another possible jailor, possible vanilla roleblock, or possible lie about a role block by Thrawn. (I do consider Thrawn fairly town so I'm not sure about him lying, it seems to be a big risk). So here's where the really big question comes in If someone is jailed and attacked, are they informed they survived an attack? Because if they are not informed, it's entirely possible that I was attacked, or Thrawn was attacked, but we don't know. Thus the SK possibility is just as high as it started. Hell, it's entirely possible that due to the flavour we're considering that a mafia attack, when it was an SK attack. He's said the fluff is just fluff, so we don't know what type of scum killed him. (For now I'm still considering it a mafia attack though, but it's a 70-30 thing because I think mafia would more likely go after me, and SK more likely SDM, but this is a newbie game so that's just speculation) If we are informed, then it's most likely there is no SK, unless they took a liking to my earlier post on how I would play an SK in this situation. Rethos' replacement is kind of out of the blue for me, I had a scum feeling about him before, I'm not sure how that will change with him suddenly having a new personality. Kush does stand out to me as a distinct possibility as mafia, but I do agree we should focus more on the lurkier players still. THere's a very good chance that the group of Dandel Ion, Remedy, Atreides, KillingTime contain at least one scum. Just spitballing here, but Remedy+KillingTime or Dandel Ion+Atreides make the most sense as teams in my head unless there's some attack-y stuff between them I'm not remembering. There's a good chance only one of those 4 is scum though, unfortunately it's hard to read while they're still lurking. At least with Dandel Ion we should hopefully be getting a more clear read today. Also, especially with the new players joining it's imperrative you check the spelling of people's names. Honestly, my name was misspelled ninety percent of the time on Day 1, it got a little annoying. And some of them were really funny on other people, like Atreides had his name bombed pretty hard. In answer to your question I'm not allowed to post specific wording but marv said that all roleblock notifications say the same thing. Not sure if you asked me to post to verify it against yours or if you are digging for information about where the roleblock would have come from. Your logic about roleblocking makes sense but I do not know what information it gives or if the 2nd roleblock can be verified to have come from either mafia or town so once again I don't put too much stock in that discussion right now. However I will give my thoughts on my roleblock. If it came from a town player it was because they thought I was scum, or they were a jk thinking I was town. If it came from mafia, I think they suspect me of being one of the more powerful blue roles and they were trying to stop me from performing an action based upon the reads I was making during N1. And all that is under the assumption that your mason confirmation is indeed accurate. I don't think it's possible that you could have faked those timestamps in 5 minutes and to me that is enough to assume your mason status is confirmed. That's all I have to say about that topic though because there's no way of knowing (except asking for a role claim which I don't think would be worth it for this situation) which option I should believe. I'd like to move on from the roleblocking discussion and on to lynch discussion. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 21 2012 21:55 kushm4sta wrote: in between class high as fuck so I'm gonna keep this short. mafia don't get bored.he might have lied about his reason for afking but I don't think he lied about being bored. all he did was turn this thread into scum paradise basically. Well obviously if he were mafia he lied about being bored. It'd be just another lie after the several he made in the span of like 10 minutes. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 01:06 kushm4sta wrote: Why would he leave the game if he wasn't bored? because I had just outed him as mafia. sounds like cheating to me but that is at the mod's discretion | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 01:25 kushm4sta wrote: So just that suspicion was enough to make him say oh fuck the only way out of this is to quit from the game and pretend im bored? That doesn't seem likely to me. He had just been caught lying a few times in a row on top of other things I said in a case about his posts. Even when he decided to say "sorry I was actually just bored" he admittined that he had been lying. Also he did not seem bored at all which makes me that that was also a lie. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 21 2012 22:57 Dandel Ion wrote: Reasoning: It was redundant for him to roleblock one of the masons. You all treat the masons as confirmed town, but they really are not. As long as none of them flip, there will remain some doubt. And it could possibly surface at a very bad time for town. It would be incredibly stupid for scum to shoot one mason, and leave the other in the game. During Night 1, that is. I'd say they're confirmed town. If you've got any reason otherwise please say so. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 01:39 Dandel Ion wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=367548¤tpage=35#683 My filter is not that big (yet).... Yeah in that post you talk about how you think they are masons because of the modkill possibility, but I want to know why you originally said they aren't confirmed in the earlier post. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 01:49 Dandel Ion wrote: But that's arguing semantics, for you 99% = confirmed, for me it is 100% = confirmed. As I said, I do believe them, and I do not think that they are scum. Ok I see why you said they are not confirmed now. I'll let you get back to filter reading | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 01:56 debears wrote: 3. His claim of being bored Someone pointed out his excitement in the pregame with the picture deal. So, lets say he was hoping he'd get the blue role or a mafia role. If he is townie, yeah he could be bored. However, why did he wait til his back was against the wall, arguably a time when he shouldn't be bored, to say he was bored and quit? If he was a blue role, I don't understand why he would be bored since he would be a key part of the town. If he was mafia, he wouldn't be bored since he has to think clearly and watch what he posts and try to sway people whom he knows are town against each other. To me, this gives strong evidence that the boredom claim was indeed a lie. The boredom claim was the nail in the coffin for me. I made these two posts after he claimed boredom. Also, are we just supposed to accept his new story about being bored after he went back and forth between his other lies as soon as they were exposed? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote: Mafia not leave games as a tactic. Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. In newbie xxv (I think) scum dandel ion offered to leave. This was because he felt he was too busy to properly defend himself as mafia, not because he thought it was the only escape from suspicion. So whether town or mafia I think rethos really was bored. He was not bored pregame when he drew a cat. He was not bored d1 when he was very active and made a vote count. That I agree with. He became bored, though, and that accounts for his long afk. If you accept that he was actually bored, the case against him falls apart. It makes sense that he lied about wanting to test lurker leniency, because he didn't want to admit to his boredom. Also it fit his point about not pressuring the lurkers enough. Here's what happened: First he lies about having a lurking plan: "Believe it or not I was actually making a test to see how much leniancy lurkers get in this game" (not a plan a townie with any sense would use) and then he lies about the lie: "To be clear my defense against lurking is not "hey I did it on purpose", it's "hey I will not be lurking anymore now"" (saying "I will not be lurking anymore" ..... how does that = boredom?) then he goes back to saying the first lie was true: "So basically there is a problem with this game (all newbie games? I don't know) that is that people are not pressuring lurkers at all. Mainly they are giving them little slaps on the hand like (hey you have not posted in a while). I wanted to actually attract attention to that. And I think I actually succedded." then he says all the previous lies actually were lies and that instead he's bored "Actually no.. I am sorry to all of you. But it really seems that playing mafia is really not for me. I got bored and did not want to post any more. Now I am trying to catch up and can't get bring myself to it. Yes I lied about having this weird plan of lurking intentionally. I lurked because I did not have motivation to do anything." How does that more sense than coming out and being truthful about being bored right off the bat? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote:Yes mafia leaves games, but they only do it when they have an actual reason, like they are busy (weetee) or they are bored. Mafia leaves games if they are bored? So you're saying that he is both bored and mafia? Are you still high or are you scum? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 03:35 kushm4sta wrote: Thrawn I'm saying that even if he was mafia, boredom was his reason for leaving. Are you? On September 22 2012 03:06 kushm4sta wrote:.If you accept that he was actually bored, the case against him falls apart. FOS Kush | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 03:39 Dandel Ion wrote:I would like for everyone to look at his filter and tell me what they think about this. Other than your predecessor he's my top scumread. Your posting is way way more townish than rethos was but rethos was so scummy that my vote remains. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 03:49 kushm4sta wrote: Ok its wrong to say "mafia don't get bored" because that is an absolute. I would rather say, in my current sober state, that it is much less likely for scum to get bored. Is there a chance he is scum? I doubt it but of course there is a chance. I'm saying that I think bored mafia is more likely than mafia that uses faked boredom into quitting the game as a scum strategy. Lol in my first mafia game as town I got really baked and then I lurked in the thread taking notes and making theories. I took a nap, woke up and proceeded to make the mother of all scummy-sounding posting sprees. So if you're town then my advice is: don't play this game high, don't even read the thread. So you believe the boredom claim no matter if he is town or scum right? Is there a reason for you doubting he's scum or is it just a gut feeling? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 04:16 kushm4sta wrote: Wtf I was actually quite proud of my reasoning and when I wad writting it I was thinking to myself damn this is going to convince everybody Just give your current sober read on the situation then.... and if you end up not thinking he shouldn't be lynched then who should be? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 03:15 RemedySC wrote: Also this was rethos's first game ever. Before playing mafia, he would be excited to try it out. Maybe he couldn't get into though. Is that the full extent of your read? | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 04:32 kushm4sta wrote: I am giving my current sober read. Why do I think he's not scum? because scum are less likely to.get bored. because being bored gives him a reason to lie about testing towns lurker leniency. Ok I definitely agree that scum are less likely to be bored. Which is why if he's scum then the boredom claim is yet another lie. It also looks like another lie because his D1 filter doesn't show signs of boredom, and coming into the thread and lying about lurking plans also doesn't show boredom. Since he already had shown how much he likes lying, I think the boredom claim is another lie and he asked to get replaced because he, or maybe his fellow scum, realized that he had just fucked up big time. And I don't see how being bored would give a town rethos motivation to lie and say he had a lurker policy testing plan. If he was really bored and he was town, why not just say sorry i've gotten bored and want to be replaced? Or even better why would he even jump back into the thread and make crazy sounding lies in as an excuse to not be lynched? He should've just pm'd a mod saying he wants out and not gone to extreme lengths (lying) to get people to stop accusing him of lurking. Bored-town-rethos doesn't make sense. Lying scum rethos makes more sense... especially after seeing how eager he was to lie and lie about lies and so on. | ||
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thrawn2112
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On September 22 2012 05:45 Dandel Ion wrote: Both of you are just repeating the same thing over and over now. This isn't constructive. Talk about something else pls. Like my Remedy case. I like my Remedy case. Who else likes my Remedy case? Who doesn't like my Remedy case? Pls include reasons. Also, Sharky lurking even harder than Cubu (#1 replacement (I'm only #2 cuz I wasn't insta"confirmed" town, so I'm automatically worse)), Stutters not posting and Kush & Thrawn repeating the same arguments over and over. This all and more in this episode of "Bitches in the Brothel" I've said pretty much all I have to say about remedy during N1. I started looking into his filter because of this post. Go and look at the craziness that went down in the last few hours of D1. Rethos wasn't around for the most crucial part but then he comes in 6 minutes after the lynch saying the the mislynch didn't go well. He later said he did that because he was lurking in the thread 30-40 minutes before the deadline but he didn't feel like he had anything useful to say. Then he made some (imo and apparently yours too) weak and poorly thought out accusations against me and this was right after kush had made a massive FOS on me. (btw kush that statement is not a suspicion of you it's a suspicion of remedy) Before the rethos thing happened he was my top scumread. Another weird thing happened with him since all that was is he came into the thread and made this post: On September 22 2012 03:15 RemedySC wrote: Also this was rethos's first game ever. Before playing mafia, he would be excited to try it out. Maybe he couldn't get into though. That's all he has to say about a topic that has caused votes for a player this early on in D1? | ||
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thrawn2112
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lol but that statement would be true for rethos as well | ||
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thrawn2112
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and kush. have you read any of the stuff I said about remedy during N1? it's not just about a lack of scumhunting | ||
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