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@Kush
... You're asking me why I'm focusing on things that you said that make you scummy? What game am I playing again? You're really hard to read, because you don't seem to think things through. So that means pretty much every slip you make is covered by you just saying the first thing that pops into your head. But that also applies to every case you make. You're essentially a permanent null read.
Anyways, I did read your case on Jacob, and it is a very valid case. I'm going to go back and read through his filter. Unfortunately Stutters is still riding high on my list, and hasn't been very active to do much about that.
Whoa. So I had more I was going to write, I took a break, made some food, came back. And Dandel you just gave me everything I needed. You tell everyone how they should scum hunt, then just sheep onto Stutters. With just one sentence, no real justification, and still more than 7 hours to the deadline. So, now my vote is on you until I hear some reads. Your play is now seeming just as scummy as Rethos. Maybe it's because you were put in a shitty position, but you have my vote until you explain yourself better. You have seven and a half hours, your time starts now. Go.
##unvote
##vote Dandel Ion
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Wait. So, someone you think is scum called you scum, so you're not going to do anything? Am I clear on that?
Someone you called scum, called you scum, so you don't want to make any more cases in case someone calls you scum, you're just going to wait until deadline and be lynched? I can't tell if you're gambling on sympathy to not get voted up, or if you're sincere and really hurt by debears saying you're scum. The latter means you're the thinnest skinned individual in the world, and that's a one in six billion chance.
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Yes. That is directed towards you.
On September 23 2012 02:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
But I understand that nobody will latch onto any of my wagons currently.
Last time I pushed a case of mine, debears called me scum for it.
Now now, I DO think that debears is scum, but I don't see a better fate for any of my cases as long as I live.
My plan right now is to set it up so that you will look back at my cases after I flip green and go all "oh he was green maybe I should actually read what he writes instead of jumping to stupid conclusions first"
So I currently hope that you won't just ignore my posts after I get lynched, and look at the people I make cases on. That's kind of a far-fetched assuption, given that town doesn't seem to give a shit about winning, but I care about meeting my wincon, so I'm going to do my best to meet my wincon.
"You" meaning all of town, not thrawn specifically.
What the fuck is that? Honestly. I was going to bold the important parts, but it's all so... what the fuck?
You pushed a case. Debears called you scum. You think debears is scum. But "I don't see a better fate for any of my cases as long as I live". So what? I told you to convince me that you're town, Rethos left you in a hole and you're digging it deeper. You say you're trying to meet your win condition. How exactly? Let's say you're town, you're willfully getting lynched. You're not trying to convince anyone, you've apparently given up on scumhunting in the hopes that your reads are then taken more seriously when you die. So you want the town to be down another town member on the second day, and then another at night. So you're perfectly fine with 4 town deaths in a row. How is that trying to meet your win condition unless you're not town.
Let's say you're mafia. You're pretty sure you're found out, but you don't want to give out any potential information on your scumbuddies so you clam up, so that you go down without revealing anyone else.
One of those sounds a lot more likely with everything you've said. You're not doing yourself any favours. Trying to make yourself a martyr as town ISN'T GOING TO HELP. So make some cases, and then you might not be the one lynched, and you might actually get that scum kill you were looking for.
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##unvote
Consider me convinced for now. I still think you're scummy, but you get a pass until tomorrow. You seemed honestly exasperated, I don't see the harm in keeping you around at least for another day while we go after someone with more of a filter.
I'm hesitant to place a vote on Remedy or Stutters just yet. It seems a little odd that Killing dissapeared off the radar a second time though. But I do agree that Remedy or Stutters seem like the better votes at this point.
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Happy Birthday, Jacob! I'm sorry I forgot to mention it earlier.
I think what I find most interesting right now, is that Dandel and Remedy are both voting for Stutters. Despite the fact that he will most likely get mod killed or replaced, or at the very least that it's a possibility. I also point this out because Remedy was Dandel's supposed biggest scum read, but they're voting together.
They don't have a particularly strong assosciative case, but I find it very peculiar that they would both end up voting for the same person, an almost non-entity who will likely be replaced or killed, even though they have both at least somewhat considered each other scum. Dandel having Remedy as his BIGGEST scum read, and Remedy mentioning Dandel a few times in a more neutral but scummy tone (although defending Rethos' boredom claim).
None of those things are particularly conclusive, but I think if Remedy flips scum then Dandel would be a good spot to start tomorrow.
##vote RemedySC
Dandel's vote changed before I actually managed to post this, not sure if he's bussing since one of them was dying regardless. Though Jacob saying he needs another argument is a bit of a slip. That is interesting.
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Kush, you've stated that both Stutters AND Remedy are both full of null tells, and are BOTH crapshoots. Why Stutters over Remedy?
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That is a good reason, but it's still only an assumption. At this point Remedy is the one who tried to band wagon. the person who wasn't his top scum read, and gave almost no information on it.
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Hey, guys.
At this point the players we have left are as follows:
Kush
Sharrant
Dandel
Atreides
Debears
Sharky
Thrawn
Jacob
KillingTime
A third of those people are scum, and up to 6 of them are townies. These numbers might be off slightly if, say, SK replaces a mafia member. Then we would be at 6-2-1 but I really don't know. It seems doubtful that there's an SK in the game at this point, but in our situation it could be useful.
Most likely a townie will die tonight, leaving us at 5 v 3. This is still a strong position for us. There are a bunch of good things that can happen in this night phase though. We know there is still a role blocker, hopefully a town player. We could come out of night phase at 6 v 3 even. Their best strategy is to take out a confirmed town, that way they spread more confusion. Now it's very unlikely that there's an SK in this game, but they need to know their stakes too. The less town there are, the less people you have to hide in amongst. Your best bet (if you exist) is to kill a mafia member either tonight or tomorrow night. At this point if SK has good suspicions he's almost an ally, we have the same short term goal.
That's the end of me mentioning SK until we actually see evidence of one, but at this point I'm almost hoping they're in the game.
Okay, onto the meat and potatoes.
At this point, I'm fairly certain of Kush being town. When he wanted the bandwagon switched onto STutters, I thought he had just thrown the game for the mafia, but with Stutters and Remedy both flipping town, that pretty much clears him in my books. It is entirely possible for that to just be a calculated risk, as scum he would know both are town, but I don't see him playing it that way.
Thrawn is someone I'm waffling about now. He makes the same case for Kush that I do though, which is a big plus at this point. He also took the time to confirm at least two time stamps, which does also add townie points. Both of those things a mafia could do just as easily, but there's less motivation. He did push for a Cubu lynch, based on a solid premise but faulty logic. So that's neither here no there. There's a really big question that I don't know if I can ask though, that's been killing me. You already posted in quotes what your roleblock PM said, before Marvel said that was against the rules. I just want to know, was there a period at the end of the sentence or not? Marvel, if he's not allowed to answer that, please say right away. Sorry if that question is against the rules.
Moving on from Thrawn. Debears made a very good point against Atreides "How do you know how many mafia there are?" It's entirely possible we have a 6-3 set up, a 5-2-1 set up, or even just a 7-2 set up. It seems likely that there are only 3 (in fact that's the assumption I've been going off of) but to be able to say without a doubt there are 3 is not possible for me. He's made some silly posts at odd times, which has bumped him up to be a good suspect in my eyes. He is also a possessor of that same strange trait that causes him to lurk, be suspicious, but not to ever have any real pressure put on him.
An odd thing to note, is that while there have been a number of clear 2 way assosciative cases possible, I have yet to see a three way case, which does make it seem there may not be a third mafia member.
Dandel is a big mystery right now. Rethos was scummy as all hell the way he left, but most of the things I find scummy about Dandel are things that also have a town motivation. I see a series of things he brings up in his post, that is either a brilliantly laid scum plan, or just plain skepticism from a townie. I also don't particularly like his post about holding off on his reads until tomorrow. He is right though, as town or mafia it would be plenty unlikely that he dies.
Killing: He says some scummy things, never seems to quite get everyone's attention, and then slinks back away until someone brings him up again. The thread is 52 pages long and he has not quite filled 2 pages worth of posts. I'd go after him as a lurker if we still had that luxury. I'm not convinced he's scum, but there aren't many options left at this point.
Jacob: Kush mentioned that he's posting mroe all of a sudden, and how that may be a possible self defence mechanism, that seems like a bit of a stretch to me. I've thought he was town before, and his posts seem good, but they only really cover 3 people.
At this point I don't think Killing is a good call. He's scummy, he's lurky, but apparently that was his meta last game, and we need to be 100% sure the person we're lynching is mafia, otherwise that most likely ends the game right there.
Unless something unexpected happens, I believe we could no lynch tomorrow and end up 4 v 3 if we don't have a good case, it would at least give us another 72 hours to figure out who is the scum. This is a very strong position supposing that Sharky and I survive up to that point. If we make it there, we have a strong chance of finding scum just by a random vote. That makes me suspect that either Sharky or I will die tonight, though I don't really see a reason for them killing Sharky at this point.
I should have one more post before the deadline in me.
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Err... Guess I should've put more in there, I've been reading it on and off today. Is there something specific you'd like me to read, or that you'd like an opinion on?
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Yup. I'm right here. Shoot and I'll answer.
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Everything that's been said since then? Or everything everything?
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09-20-2012
10:10 AM ET (US) Sharrant "Let's make sure this is EDT"
09-20-2012
11:05 AM ET (US) Sharky "why did you reveal to them that you and cubu are masons?"
09-20-2012
11:08 AM ET (US) Sharrant "At that point either I was dead, or Cubu was dead. No two ways about it."
09-20-2012
11:17 AM ET (US) Sharrant "This way at least one of us survives until tomorrow to be a confirmed townie."
09-22-2012
06:59 AM ET (US) Marvel "so quiet. Let's at least have some sexy-talk."
09-22-2012
08:11 AM ET (US) Sharrant "You did send him the link, right? Because at this point the only one I have to sexy-talk is you. But that's not a bad thing. I kinda like it this way. I think the thing I like most about this place though, is the freedom to post about how you're not wearing pants and then not having to worry about whether not wearing pants is a scum slip or something."
09-22-2012
12:36 PM ET (US) Sharrant "So, there's around 27 hours until I die if the mafia is dumb, longer if they're smart and want to use us as suspects. Any questions you want me to answer? Maybe make out a little while I'm still alive? I mean, you can still make out with me once I'm dead, but people might think it's weird or something."
09-22-2012
12:53 PM ET (US) Sharrant "No, Sharrant, we don't have 20 hour days, they're 24 hour days. 31 hours replaces 27 hours, up until 4 hours from now."
09-22-2012
01:14 PM ET (US) Sharky "Sorry, i was busy. Who should i vote for?"
09-22-2012
01:46 PM ET (US) Sharrant "Dandel isn't a bad vote, but he's one that needs to be flexible, he might just be dumb, not mafia. I'd like to hear your reads at some point. JAcob and debears and Kush are all in my sights as mafia, but they don't strike me as a team. Thrawn is suspicious but I think he's town."
There's two recent posts that I had to cut off, I won't be saying anything about them for about an hour and 10 minutes.
(Yes, I was talking to myself in that one post)
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EBWOP, and yes, Sharky hasn't been posting a huge amount. But he did find his way there! Unlike Cubu.
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Haha, yup. I felt pretty dumb after I asked that. But he had only posted once, and Marv wanted some sexy talk, so I actually forgot Sharky had posted.
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Nope. That's the right order. I honestly forgot Sharky was there. He made one forgettable post in the QT, and maybe one or two in the thread so I actually wasn't sure had gotten the link. And then I realized I was an idiot when I saw his post.
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Hm. I guess it was as a question, but you're still starting from a point that only potentially 3 people have actual knowledge of. It's not as damning as saying it, but it's still an odd question to me.
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Hey, guys, this will hopefully be my last post. This is a bit of a gamble, and I wasn't sure of any way to throw it out earlier without directly telling the scum as well. I was hoping to get myself night killed, unfortunately I apparently deleted the most important part of one of my posts which really fucking sucks balls. Why would I do this you're wondering? A few reasons, starting with: I think Dandel is scum. And I think he is smart.
He's either a skeptical town player, or a very smart scum player. What am I referring to? He has subtly made reference to, or openly brought up myself and Sharky's mason claim several times. If I don't die tonight, and Sharky doesn't die tonight, then I believe that Dandel is scum.
He seems to be trying to put doubt into my claim of mason without bringing any actual evidence up about it, or trying to dispute the evidence I've shown as my mason claim. I think he's planting the seeds of doubt so that tomorrow, when another townie is revealed as dead, but the two almost confirmed town are alive, he can start in on us. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I'm launching the first salvo on this. Unfortunately I hurt my chances of being NK'ed when I posted the Mason QT. I thought I had only mentioned this in my most recent posts, but I completely forget my mention to it being stupid for mafia to kill myself and Sharky earlier. If I'm still alive Dandel is a big target for me.
If I die however, it would lessen my suspicion on Dandel, but that will be up to you guys. Hopefully my post about how strong masons are in a 4 v 3 will get Sharky or myself killed. (no offense sharky, but I kinda hope it's you. I like being alive)
At this point a single mislynch will cost town the game, a no lynch day postpones the countdown, and a mafia lynch puts us in a great spot. (correct me if I'm wrong, and I may well be wrong due to whatever happens in the night post)
I fear that my mason claim is going to be used by the mafia to stall out the town, and to get a mislynch. So hopefully one of the two of us is dead.
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