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I think we've pretty much reached the limit of discussion on lurker strategy. Pressure them when possible, but scum hunt as best as we can, and only lynch the scummiest lurker when there are no better options. Yes, a lurker does hurt the town, but lynching based just off the fact that they're lurking (especially in a newbie game) strikes me that we're more likely to kill a townie scared of being accused. That's just a numbers game, and somewhat based on the fact that new players are probably not going to play their role to the best of their ability. @Drazak I somewhat agree with Thrawn's read on this situation. While that definitely is a scummy trait, I'm willing to chalk that up to a busy schedule, a lack of sleep, and the fact that before he's even posted he was getting trashed about a previous game. I might be a little upset by that too. That being said, it only really covers the first paragraph, the second one is well, just strange. I personally don't think there's too much to be gleamed from a one off post like that until there's more to compare it to. @Kush I'm honestly tempted to vote you just because of what you said about flaming and OMGUS'ing. I'd hate being called scum too, but that's just not the way to deal with it. It just doesn't help the town (though really it shouldn't help the mafia unless the town is gullible). And no, there is a problem in a lynch all lurkers strategy, it's like giving the mafia two kills per night unless we're lucky enough to be able to catch a mafia lurking. Yes, we get information from the scumhunting during the day, but I don't think that makes up for it. Killing lurkers should be the last resort of the day, not the go to strategy. All that being said, no one is particularly scummy yet. I'm waiting for 1 or 2 more people to post before I starting slinging my vote around carelessly. | ||
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On September 18 2012 15:22 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Maffia XXVII survey (not filling it in will make you look scummy): 1. Will you be around for lynch time? 2. How active do you plan on being? 3. How many games have you obsed? 4. Is this your first game playing? 5. If not, how many games have you played? 6. Is this your first time playing as scum? 1. I plan to be, but shit happens so I can't guarantee. More than likely at any rate. 2. As much as I feel the need to. I certainly won't be inactive, but neither will I be filling the thread with junk posts. 3. None. 4. On Team Liquid. 5. This space intentionally left blank 6. Funny man, I like you already. | ||
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On September 18 2012 10:48 kushm4sta wrote: I am so fucking sick of lurkers from last game. #1 They make the game shittier regardless of if they are scum. #2 They are 100% null reads all game long. You ask them a question and of course they aren't going to responsd because they post like 1 thing a day and dont even read the thread. #3 It gives scum safe people to accuse. Most of the time they aren't mafia but in the 2 games I played both of them had semi-lurker mafia. Lurker Policy: LYNCH ALL LURKERS, semilurkers at the top of the lynch list if we don't have a very strong scumread to bandwagon. This seems like reasonable logic. They do generally cause null reads on themselves. However, with point #3, we're making it so the mafia don't have to accuse them. We're already killing them for the mafia (provided lurkers are not mafia, but that's iffy either way). This is not a scummy post in my opinion, but this does help mafia and the SK provided they are active. On September 18 2012 11:31 kushm4sta wrote: Sup guys I am kushmasta IRL name jake. I live in maine and go to college for chemical engineering. (think all that random shit you learned in chemistry applied to real world situations). No fluff zone: posting habits I probably will post a lot because I have no life. I work but my work is basically a study hall so I will be posting on my phone at work. That is why sometimes my spelling and formatting will be ass. experience I have 2 games played and I have won both games and never killed. So far I am unkilled and undefeated and I want to continue my streak so I will be tryharding this game, but not tryharding enough so I'm the best town and mafia kills me. Call it selfish but I dont want to die... @thrawn I know you have 3 games undefeated but you got killed by scum therefore you aren't as cool as me. I am looking to step up my play this game. Last game was quite humbling for me. I made a lot of bad calls, and d1 caused a mislynch >< IM SORRY CUBU So I'm going to try to be more careful and have better analysis this game. Lynch time I will be around on my phone at least. I think deciding on a lynch at the last minute is a really powerful tool for town beacuse it makes scum panic and do stupid things. However that's really not possible with this mess of time zones we got going on here. Self preservation isn't necessarily scummy, blues require some amount of it to. Maybe it's something akin to ladder anxiety (my record is perfect, it must stay perfect!), or maybe he's giving himself a way out of not posting good reads. If you get killed by the mafia, you get killed by the mafia, you should be trying to contribute in the best way possible before that. In some cases that just be by trying to survive until you have information, and in others that might be putting out your best effort for scum hunting and just hoping they don't kill you. A numbers game says the latter is more likely. Underlined part seems sincere to me, makes me suspect townie. On September 18 2012 12:00 kushm4sta wrote: If you write 1 post a day but it's a brilliant epic post then that's cool with me. I can be realistic about people's busy schedules. And that is WAY better than a few little posts with no content. .. and I'm looking at you STUTTERS, DRAZAK, and ESPECIALLY CUBU who were all town last game but pretty trash town. And I like to attention whore esp day 1. and If you accuse me of being scum I will omgus and start a flame war with you just because im really sensitive and hate being called scum. drazak knows what I'm talking about. Im trying to play better this game though so f u thrawn. Reverses his stance on 1 post per day, first post was about how set he was to lynch anyone who single posts per day. Then suddenly goes after Stutters/Draz/Cubu. The "especially Cubu" makes his previous apology (the one that gave me a bit of a town read) smack of insincerity. Follow this up with the whole "OMGUS+flamewar", I'd generally just chalk it down to bad play (apparently he did this as town twice) but with everything else it makes me think scummy. On September 18 2012 20:27 kushm4sta wrote: @stutters I want to improve my play because last game I sucked quite hard. anyone can attest to that lol. I also don't want to be the best town because getting nk sucks imo. I like being around for the end of the game. I'm just being honest. but thanks for accusing me because it makes it less likely that ill be nk, since scum usually kill the towniest person. what I said about flame wars.. that is what I did in the last two previous games. for instance drazak accused me really hard and I basically just called him a bad player again and again. I am trying to avoid that this game though. I really hate waking up to people fosing me...feels bad Keeps on about NKs, and how badly he doesn't want to be NKed. It just rubs me the wrong way. Like he's trying his best to make it sound like town, but has no idea what a town player would talk about. On September 18 2012 20:56 kushm4sta wrote: In regards to thrawn's attack on sonic for his survey: @Sonic: Yeah that was based on mine, but I dont think to make a list and say "answer these or you're scum" is very productive. What I put up was just some suggestions for newer players to have something to talk about. I notice newbies never really know what to say d1. @Thrawn: I don't think sonic's survey is particularly scummy. He did the same thing last game. He was scum last game, sure, but I think it's just his MO for day one, scum or town. Also here is why I think sonic is town. I'm putting my reasoning in spoilers because admittedly it's pretty dumb: He was scum for the last 2 games. Do you really think marv would make him scum 3rd game in a row? It's possible but just feels unlikely to me. It's just as likely as anyone else being scum assuming the roles were determined off of random chance. That's such a weak thing to say that I wonder why you even included it. I think it's far too early to have a really good read on the situation, but the way he's played so far screams scum to me, but not mafia. Right now, my main read is on Kush, and it's that he's not mafia, and he's not town. I feel he is, in fact, the serial killer. If I were going to be really specific, I'd wager a serial killer that took detection immunity, and thus is the reason he's so worried about being NK'ed. So since we've had a few FoS's but no votes, allow me to cast the first vote ##Vote:kushm4sta Other reads I have right now aren't too strong, I have a weak idea that Thrawn and debears are town, and I'm bouncing back and forth between weak town and weak scum on SDM. I'd like to think he's town because so far he's amused me. Drazak is still undecided in my mind until he posts more. | ||
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On September 19 2012 02:09 kushm4sta wrote: Defense of Sharrant's case against me Good...scumhunting...dude.. there I didn't flame. 1 You call me insincere because at first I say sorry cubu for bandwagoning him last game, then I call him out for lurking? I am not going to make a case against him for lurking, but I think a COUPLE words saying so and so are lurking we still need a post is fine. And yeah I will say cubu played really really bad last game. I wont apologize for saying that. I'm still sorry for lynching him. I was not trying to start a flame war for with cubu, I was just trying to get him to post. I think encouraging lurkers to post by calling them out or asking them questions is productive. Making cases against lurkers is not productive. It was just a couple of words, but it is all in the wording. It was the whole underlined, bolded, italicized call out of him. I agree that lurkers need a kick in the pants to start posting more. I'd like to see more posts from Cubu, Stutters, and Killing Time specifically. You've taken a few steps on the road to seeming town to me, but it's a long journey for you, I'm still sticking with my first call. 2 I "keep on about NKs" only because people are calling me out for that statement and I want to defend myself. I will stop talking about NK if you stop. But since you brought it up again let me talk more about my stance on nks: + Show Spoiler + I'm pretty sure last game sonic said it's honorable to be nked, I disagree with this statement because you significantly depreciate your value as town if you do not preserve that value till the end of the game. I think getting NKed indicates bad play for town, because you are making yourself a target. Why did I even bring it up? Bad idea probably judging by the reaction, but I wanted to give you guys some insight into my personal strategy, And if you're afraid to make yourself a target, then you don't put up as much as you can. NKs provide can provide just as much information as lynches can. On the first read through of your post, I was more convinced of your townieness. But your "I only talk about NKs because you guys talk about! But I'm going to talk about it again, and then say how it was a bad idea to talk about it in the first place." that's put me in an odd spot. It sends real mixed signals to me. 3 I never reversed my stance on anything. 1 post a day is not lurking if its a long post. Lynch lurkers, yes, but 1 post a day does not make you a lurker. @sharron Is there anything else you want me to address or is that it? Also please give more effort to organize your posts better. Singling out the different arguments made against me was quite hard. I'll take this one as a misinterpretation of your wording earlier. You have the benefit of the doubt there, I retract that point from before. I think my post was more than adequately formatted, every point I called you on was bolded, every town read you gave was underlined, each point was addressed immediately afterwards, and was followed by a concise conclusion. If you have a suggestion on how to better format my posts, do tell. You've gained some leniency, in that I know have more of a doubt that you might just be a townie who just sort of blurts out whatever they're thinking, but my vote stays on you for now until you post your own scum reads. But I appreciate that you are remaining civil, I think it helps the town out more. KillingTime, you're starting to come up on my radar more and more. You seem to be riding coat tails, and posting a recap, rather than analysis of events, and then you come out swinging at debears based off of very, very little. People I would like to hear more from: debears, KillingTime, Rethos, Jacob You're all up there because I would like to get a better read on you, or I'd like to know more about your opinions. People I need to hear more from: Atreides, Cubu, Drazak, Remedy, Stutters And you're all up here because you're either suspicious, or lurking. My current suspicions are Kush (SK, possibly blue or self important green), KillingTime/debears (One of these two is mafia I think, more likely KT), Stutters (Maf, low content, low posts) We need to operate under the impression that among ourselves is not just the mafia, but a serial killer. It changes reads on people by an incredible amount. There's too many strategies open to an idependant killer if we don't also try to address them in our scum hunting. | ||
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This whole KillingTime versus debears is interesting though. I believe at most one of them is mafia. I'm really split on this one though. On the one hand, KillingTime is a little here nor there in my mind. I had been leaning towards him as scum, up until I realized he was the only other person who had voted, and in fact was the only one who advocated votes over FoSing on day one. Both of which I think are strong town moves. FoSing is really the equivalent of doing sweet fuck all. You may as well just say someone is suspicious, but that you can't be bothered to vote for them. Voting has power, and you don't necessarily vote to lynch, you can vote just to pressure. At the same time, debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me, his defense of Thrawn could be scummy, or it might not be. It was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion. However, there is getting to be a large web of people involved with debears either way. ##unvote Kushm4sta ##vote debears I do however think that it will be a distraction until it is resolved. THere's a good chance he flips scum, and that would reflect poorly on Thrawn, who up until this point I've been relatively sure he was town. I'm not convinced he's mafia, but I'm suspicious enough of him I'd like to get to the point where we can force a claim. | ||
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On September 19 2012 05:26 thrawn2112 wrote: Well that bolded part is just a straight up lie. I don't see how drazak fits into your theory... I was the first one to call drazak out on his unreasonably defensive post and I've never defended him. So once again, is the only reason you think I'm scum because of your debears association case? Ok Sharrant that is a ridiculous vote. You start out saying "debears isn't really the most suspicious person to me" and say his defense of me "was weird, but not a strong tell either way in my opinion." Then you vote for him and say "there's a good chance he flips scum" and you're "not convinced he's mafia" after saying his defense of me was a null read. So, what exactly is your read on him and if you don't have a read then why are you voting for him? All I see is a bunch of "he may be scum" and "he is a null read." That's a ridiculous vote? You pick choice words out to discredit what I said, and try to make it personal. I'm fairly convinced the two of you are mafia after that. You know who I think is most suspicious, that hasn't been a secret. This has been mentioned in every post that Kush is my number one target, but that's not going anywhere. I think you should re-read my post. Several times even. Yes, his defense of you wasn't particularly strong either way in and of itself, that's what I said. That's one moment of his play, and you jumped all over that. This is exactly why I voted debears. He was scummier to me than KillingTime, and the situation between those two had to be resolved. And look, here you come in and jump all over it. I never said he was a null read, not once yet you claim I did. I said I'm not convinced he's mafia, but I'm suspcious enough of him to the point where I'd like to force him to claim. Do you see how different those things are? Of course you do, because you're not dumb, you're trying to buy yourself and him some room. I said he was suspicious because he's suspicious, I said I'm not convinced because I wouldn't bet my life savings that he's mafia. But I'm absolutely willing to vote for him. Voting for him did not mean I was ready to lynch him, as it stands I'd now be ready to lynch both of you. I was pretty sure he would flip mafia before, now I'm much more certain. You tried to bully me out of voting, because you didn't agree, yet have cast no votes yourself. In fact everyone has been pretty much sitting on their hands in that regard, townies shouldn't be so scared to use their tools to hunt mafia. Maybe I'm wrong and you and debears aren't mafia, but that "ridiculous vote" just got a pretty big scum slip in my eyes from you. | ||
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I also have said several times now, that I consider him suspicious. The fact that you keep ignoring this is baffling. | ||
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On September 19 2012 06:23 thrawn2112 wrote: Claim what? His role? Why would you possibly want someone to roleclaim D1? I'm not even sure if roleclaiming is what you're talking about. You say you find him suspicious but you say that while also talking about his defense of me was a null read.... which is the main reason people are suspicious of him in the first place. So what about him is suspicious and what is this "claim" you're trying to get him to make? Yes, I want him to claim. That's why I voted. That's why I said my intent was to force him to role claim, ie put him at L-1. You said before how you wanted information and discussion, yet here you're entirely balking, and freaking out about trying to get information and discussion to flow. Now, why debears? Let's see. Randomly calling you out as town, not particularly helpful to the town, but could earn mafia some town credit to people not paying attention. It's not out of the question he does it as town, but there's nothing that really helps the town that comes out of it. If I call a mafia member a townie, he's not going to dispute it, if I call a townie a mafia member discussion will come from it and hopefully clear his name and shed more light on the situation. His defense of you wasn't a null read, in a vacuum it absolutely is, and it was when there was a low post count. On its own, it is weird, an oddity and nothing more. It could just be bad play. Your defense of him is starting to make it seem more suspicious though. And then when you add in the little tidbit that the closest he's got to scum hunting is that one point he said that Rethos' posts were devoid of content. That's it. End of story. No suspicions, no votes. He did FoS SDM at one point, just based on he did exactly what you did AND called you out for it. So he thinks that when SDM did it, it was suspicious, but not you. I still wouldn't bet my life on either of you being mafia. But Kush is no longer my #1 scum read. The way you've reacted has put you to number 2, and debears is sitting at the number one spot now. The only reason I'm not going after you is that I had a decent town read from you earlier. When there's more evidence, you may replace debears as my vote. | ||
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On September 19 2012 06:37 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Sharrant, I've been suspicious of you for a while and I'm only getting increasingly suspicious as you continue to post. At first it was just a "feel read", but I feel there's a full case to be made now. You make a case against Kush, a very easy and obvious target Stutters had been attacking before. This is not necessarily scummy, but it's certainly not very townie. The arguments against Kush are mainly: 1) Flip-flopping on whether posting one post per day is good enough. 2) Insincere wrt his apology to Cubu. 3) Skeptic about his rationale for wanting to avoid being NKd. 1) Kush's "one post per day is good enough" was silly, but it had been attacked before. It thus becomes an easy target for scum and it's and doesn't require original thinking (original thinking as scum, when you know who's town and not, is suprisingly difficult). 2) It's possible his apology was insincere, but how does that make him scum? 3) Again, this was a silly statement by Kush, but it had already been attacked by Stutters and is an easy target. What really came off as weird though, was how he not only implied Kush was scum, but that he even was SK. Seriously, that read is so specific it's ridiculous. To be claiming reads on SK this early, a 1 in 13 shot assuming there's even one in the game, is really weird. Spotting a SK hasn't even been in my range of thinking this early into d1. It's interesting though, because the players likely to be thinking about a SK this early in the game is scum. Just consider the information they've got. They know all townies and all maffia, figuring out if there's a SK is their only "black box" aside from blue roles (which he also mentions in his post). It's not at all weird for scum to think about SK at this point, but I do find it weird for townies. Ask yourselves, before his post, had any of you guys even been you guys been even considering a SK read? Now to what I find to be the strongest part of the case, thrawn just pointed out a classic scum slip: voting for someone you don't think is the most likely scum. He thinks lynching him to resolve "a distraction" and for information on thrawns allignment. Other than that his read has been that he's town and no additional reasoning is given. I'll admit, while playing XXVI I didn't really know this was a scum slip. Kush did it and I just found it weird. However, after I had gotten lynched, I was having a conversation with one of the coaches (Hapahauli). He said he was 99% sure Kush was the final scum because of those scum slips. He was absolutely amazed that he was not. It's documented in the Obs QT and I could quote some PMs as well, but I'm not sure I'm allowed. Anyway, the Obs QT is here and the main post I'm referencing is post #46. In it, two of the reasons given for a Kush being scum is because he: 1) Saying "cubu is probably town" and voting him anyway. 2) Wanting to lynch Cubu to determine Thrawn's allignment. Sounds familiar? I know Kush turned out to be town, but a coach considering this to be such a strong read and coupled with my other suspicions, I think it's a good case. I'm willing to hear you out, but for now my I'm going with... ##vote Sharrant I'm glad to see another person is voting. The reason I went immediately to SK, is because that's a powerful role and I'm used to playing with it. It can sow a lot of confusion, and I'm not used to games where they can have immunity to detection. But it's much more than that, my scum read on Kush was not a scum read. It was an SK read. I said it several times, I don't think he's mafia. I think he is either town or SK. His play did not have slips that would really benefit the mafia as much as it would benefit an independent killing role. I find it very unlikely that he would be mafia, but he was scummy. Some claimed that's just the way he plays, and it could be. So the tells he gave, and the way he played in general made me think he was SK. Onto your point against me, it's still early in the day, and it was obvious no one else agreed strongly enough with my read on Kush to push it, that's just how it goes. Rather than sit there and waste my vote I decided I would put it to use, and try and sort out the Killing versus debears mess. I'm not afraid to throw my vote around, it's the power I have, and I'll use it. From this we've gained a lot of discussion, and we've had two more people vote. I'll admit, I'm not the happiest that both of those votes are on me, but that's life. We're actually getting shit done now. Everyone keeps saying I had no read on debears, and I'm not sure why. I hope that my last post cleared that up, but if you look back you'll see that I made no mention of him being town. I only made mentions of slight or medium scum tells, or reads that are up in the air when they're on their own. | ||
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On September 19 2012 07:21 debears wrote: So I'm not the most suspicious, yet I"m the one you vote for. And, not only that, you are going after me. Funny how you agree with kush, the person you most suspect for mafia, on that. And another thing that raised my eyebrows was how quickly you gave up on attacking kush although you still think he is sk: You basically stated that you are leaving kush alone. Yet you hide it in a mass of text about formatting. The rest of the post is you telling people who need to post. I liked the kush SK notion, but your current activity isn't making much sense. I've stated several times that I think Kush is SK, or town. Not mafia. My read was either that he was a townie who just wrote everything that came to mind, or he was the SK. The way he played did not strike me as mafia, it was too independent and too loud. I haven't given up on Kush being the SK. But with his lack of posting, and there being no concrete evidence of an SK yet, it's not worth pursuing in my eyes. It's still there, but it's obvious that it isn't happening right now. If I keep harping on about him being SK, then all people get from me is "that guy is SK based off of a few things he said day 1, and a feeling!" that's not strong. My vote isn't static, if I see an opportunity to bring Kush back up to the top of everyone's list because of a really strong slip he makes before the end of day 1, there's a good chance my vote is going right back to him. Kush not posting means I haven't had anything to go on about it, it would be silly to let myself get tied down by that. You and KillingTime posed an opportunity. I didn't think that two of you would be town, nor that two of you were mafia. So I put my vote in on the one of you that hasn't been using their only town power, the vote. And look what happened. Things have now happened, Thrawn gave up what I believe were some strong slips linking you, but he could just be very sure of you being a townie. I think that's very early for such a strong stance. Part of what gets me, is how solidly you think of the vote. You guys seem to use it like a weapon, and not a tool. Post some reads, that was one of my main criticisms of you for being scummy. I'll gladly drop my vote if you convince me. Right now this little kerfuffle has pushed you to the top of my list. @Kush Don't worry, I don't get pissy, it doesn't help anyone in this game. Obviously no one is going to role claim as mafia, so he'll claim something from town (either blue or green). You say getting him to roleclaim as a blue is scummy, why do you assume he's a blue? Hell, if he's a blue, he should lie and claim VT. I think he's a mafia, thus I want him to claim, because if he is mafia HE HAS TO CLAIM A TOWN ROLE. Yes, he may be a townie that's entirely true. But more likely in my mind at this point is that he's a mafia. Making his claim early means that he'll be somewhat stuck on roles, can't claim blue or he'll most likely get outted as mafia, and claiming town will eventually show a discrepency. I'll gladly answer any questions about my reads if you have any. | ||
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I wanted you to roleclaim, because of the little stint you and Thrawn had there. That struck me as scummy, so rather than wanting to lynch you, I wanted to get you to claim, and then depending on whether your claim was refuted or not, just drop it and possibly find someone that had revealed themselves as scummy while you were on the front of everyone's minds. I don't know why you guys think it's scummy to be thinking about the SK. It's as powerful as the mafia, except that they aren't going to get outted by their teammates mistakes, and they don't have to try and look after anyone. It's true, it might not be in the game, but you guys are playing entirely without considering that it's in the game. And that's just a bad move. Do you know why? Because if I were the SK, I'd have taken the non-detection, and I wouldn't kill anyone. And all of you would think there was no SK, and that'd be an easy win. So here I am trying to get you guys to think about it, and I'm getting voted up based on that, and something I never said, and a few things I did say. debears, either you just screwed the pooch big time, and outted yourself as a blue, or you're just making things up. Because I never asked a blue to role claim. I said I wanted to vote you up so you had to role claim. @Kush Yes, everyone would most likely do that. But this is an open game, so it's entirely possible for mafia to go into risk versus reward mode, and claim blue hoping that no one disputes them because we don't have that role. Even if he claims green, it's still information and discussion. If he claims VT, we put him in the maybe box and then go from there. | ||
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Hell, we could even get lucky enough that two reds would claim to be the masons, and be lucky enough to have masons to refute that. I'm not sure why a role claim on one person that was noted by a few people as scummy, is so scummy. A mass role claim on day one would be instalynch scummy, but this is my alternative to trying for a lynch on him day 1. Just to put some pressure and see what comes of it. Anwyays, I too am wondering where Killing's post is. I came into this little debate because of him and debears, but now Killing has mysteriously vanished. It's possible that I came in a little too hot on debears, when I should've been going after Killing. I'm waiting for Kush and Killing's posts now. Hopefully we can get some more people talking again, this really ended up coming down to 4 people. Just by the numbers it's actually somewhat likely that no mafia are involved in our little dispute. @Jacob You misread that slightly. That was not "he is in fact the serial killer" it was "I feel he is, in fact, the serial killer". The difference is that it was not "He is the serial killer" it was "I feel he is". And pease, people, read carefully. This is the third or fourth time that someone has said I didn't find debears suspicious before I voted, when I clearly stated that I was suspicious of him he was just not my number 1 suspicion. You're still a player I would like to hear more from, Jacob, but at this point you're not a suspect to me. I'm obviously not the happiest to be up here, but I think it's helping my reads on people. I'm still not sure about Thrawn taking debears under his wing, that still strikes me as scummy, but aside from a few misreadings, his posts have generally been quality and it's felt like he was going after me rather than trying to start a bandwagon on me. I even get the same feeling from debears, which is killing me. I guess a possibility I hadn't thought of, is that the two of them could be the masons. That would actually make sense in my mind, and give reason as to why they protected each other off the bat. I don't want to take my vote off of debears just yet, but that may change come Kush's and Killing's posts. | ||
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That was me that mentioned the possibility of them both being masons. @Kush I agree with you about lurkers at this time. I'm ready to bury the hatchet on both debears and thrawn in order to get rid of one of our hard lurkers. The way I'm looking at it right now, is everyone has done things that are varying degrees of scummy. But we're all actively posting. I don't like the Thrawn/debears dynamic, it really strikes me as scum, but I'm starting to lean more towards the lurkers. In particular, I think there's one candidate that would clear up most of this. Most of the reason for me voting for debears in the first place was because of KillingTime. He's promise some posts, but hasn't delivered. Unless he makes a large contribution tomorrow, I expect that is where my vote will end up. I ended up going with debears when I thought one of them was scum, but debears has at least been somewhat active. So it goes on a few ifs, but the lurker that I'm most comfortable going after in this situation is KillingTime. If we lynch him, and if he flips mafia, that's the end of any case of mine against debears and Thrawn. | ||
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Yes, SDM, I like staying calm. It doesn't really help if I suddenly flip off the handles at being accused. I stay calm because I know I'm town, and I want to win. If you can't stay calm, and think cooly, you can't set traps for scum. I was happy that you voted for me, just because everyone in this game sits on their hands when it comes to voting, I said before, it's a tool not a weapon. I wasn't happy being under that much pressure right away, I'm still not happy about the amount of pressure I'm under. But it brought more activity and has made people use their votes more. I know I'm innocent, so I know I'll be fine. I'm used to mafia games where I have more information about the set up of the game, and in those situations using a logical analysis makes for very easy wins. Now here is where I run into a problem. We're 2 votes away from the point I set out to get debears to. I still want to force a claim on him, no matter how scummy you think that is, it just doesn't make sense from a mafia perspective. Nor an SK perspective. But I have a plan, and I am sticking to that plan. I won't say it's the best plan ever, in fact there's a huge chance that it fails. Here is how it stands for me. In order of most to least scummiest: debears, Thrawn, KillingTime/Stutters, Kush, everyone else, SDM. Scummiest lurkers to me are: KillingTime, and Stutters. My ideal situation is: push debears up to L-1, get him to roleclaim, then if I am satisfied with his answer, vote up either KillingTime or Stutters. I still feel there's a decent chance of debears and Thrawn ending up being Mason, and that would just mean I've been on the wrong track the whole time, but their buddy-buddyness is making me think mafia. But then I come back to the fact that they're still posting, and that's better than the lurkers. So you now all of you know exactly what I want to do, and you know exactly how scummy it is in plain English. I want to put him up to L-1, hear what he has to say, and then move onto one of the people we're not getting information from. | ||
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This is my alternative to lynching him day 1. My plan at the start was just pressure, now I do sort of want to lynch him, but I'd rather just pressure and go after a lurker for day 1. | ||
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So if I'm mafia, my plan is akin to gamethrowing. I'd be killing two mafia to kill a single person that 3 other people agree is suspicious enough to warrant a vote. THAT MAKES NO SENSE. I'll gladly tell you after my plan fails or succeeds what it was. Hell, at this point it's almost worth dropping just because it's going to get me lynched at this pace. | ||
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On September 20 2012 00:25 kushm4sta wrote: ANTECEDENTS PEOPLE....... What is "that"? No idea what this sentence means. No idea what your "plan" is (all I know is it's stupid) No idea who you are saying would be lynched or who would be mafia. Sounds like a bunch of wifom speculation. I was referring to your post, if I put debears up to L-1 and someone came in from lurking and quick hammered him, that'd be suicide. You'd instantly lynch that person for a single town kill. Mafia going 1:1 with town is dumb. THere's no two ways about it. So if my plan is from a mafia perspective, it's just plain dumb. Because that would get me lynched too. So assuming I'm mafia and that's my plan, the mafia would be trading two people for a single townsperson. If I were SK that plan would never work either for much the same reason, except I'd be relying on a random quickhammer. So obviously I have a different plan than either of those things. | ||
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On September 20 2012 00:30 KillingTime wrote: I am here at the moment (around for a half hour or so) - if you want to ask me anything then you can. Other than the fact I was away last night (and therefore "lurky" to you) - why else do you think I am scum? Hm. I had missed a post of yours before. That's why. Your Filter thing on the front page isn't working properly, so I had to scan through everything, and I missed at least one post. My apologies. I still think you came off a little scummy when you first entered the game, but I hadn't thought about Atreides posts before that. I'm now less suspicious of you, and a little more of Atreides, but not enough that you two are my preffered lurker lynch. That spot now goes solely to Stutters. | ||
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