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After his wagon started, he responded to all accusations quickly and with long posts. First, it's really hard as scum to respond quickly and in detail to accusations, because it's so easy to slip up if you don't go back and think things through. Second, he does it without any obvious contradictions. The few contradictions can quite easily be explained by slightly weird phrasing or misunderstanding. Third, all his answers made logical sense. The only thing that left me confused was "the plan". I didn't figure it out for being what he now claims and I need to go back and think about this. I realize this isn't a strong indications, but for me it provided some counter weight to the existing case. | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:25 KillingTime wrote: Ok I only skimmed the last page and managed to miss that roleclaim bfore my last post. Obvious follow up question to Sharrant then -I assume you discussed this roleclaim idea with your mason partner? why did your partner not tell you to drop this dumb roleclaim idea and explain to you how the game worked, or did you confuse them too? This is a good question. Sharrant's mason claim hinges on the fact that not only was he unaware of the rules, but also his mason partner. It just seems unlikely. Respond to this, Sharrant. | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:44 Sharrant wrote: Welp, I guess I may as well. It'll save him in the long run, if enough of you had believed me about being Mason without confirming him, you probably would have killed him for lurking anyways. Actually, I've changed my mind about this. If I out him most likely only one of us dies tonight, a confirmed townie will survive, and best of all, it will possibly save a blue's life. So here's the part where you guys either instantly decide I'm guilty by assosciation, or whether I just am the mason with the shittiest luck ever. My mason buddy... is (drum roll please)... CUBU The current post count in our QT is 10, 8 posts by me, 2 by Marvel! Hooray! Well, that would explain why you didn't have anyone to explain the rules for you. And why you've for some weird reason left Cubu out of the "lynch lurkers" discussion. My take on this right now: This is either some super sofisticated level or he's being honest. I think one interesting thing to note is how he brought this up rather early. At a point where it seems like he could've gotten away by other means. Him setting up a super advanced level in and of itself seems unlikely. Him setting up a super advanced level way ahead of time just seems even more unlikely. I still need time to process this. | ||
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On September 20 2012 06:57 thrawn2112 wrote: So, I don't know if I should trust this mason claim or not, but what does everyone think about this plan: So maybe we should lynch cubu, and if cubu flips mason well then at least we have a confirmed town player (sharrant) and we haven't lost a useful poster. If Cubu doesn't flip mason then we atuo lynch sharrant D2. In the outcome that cubu is mason, then like others have said about him earlier we aren't losing a player who is willing to scumhunt or contribute or say anything at all. And yeah mafia will have a good target for their nightkills (sharrant) but if there's a medic or a jailkeeper, and I think it's likely that there will be at least one of those, then they can save sharrant from nk's at their own discretion. All that being said I still don't know if I believe the mason claim or not..... like how the hell am I supposed to get any kind of mason-with-sharrant read on cubu's filter? My instincts tell me that he's lying because of my past suspicions of him and the wtf-ness of the last few pages. Well, for the reasons I just mentioned I tend to believe him. This has to be some kind of super advanced elaborate plot. Like I said, he hasn't really mentioned Cubu in terms of lurker lynching. This is also something he would've had to think of ahead of in order to pull this off. A scum wouldn't blatantly leave out the biggest lurker from his suspect lurker list, unless it was for this specific purpose. The problem with keeping both of them alive is that if we get a mislynch tonight, what will happen tomorrow? | ||
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I've been looking at the meta of players in XXVI and compared it to this game. In XXVI he responded to accusations against based on his lack of posting by being very apologetic. This is not at all how he's been acting in this game wrt the exact same accusations. Now he's benig super defensive. That's a clear difference from his town meta. Then just a moment ago when he made his suspicious voting post it added to my suspicion. That post was a clear lie. He can't possibly have been reading up on the entire thread and claim not to have the tmie to post any reasoning. He just jumped the most convenient wagon and that's scummy. I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him. We need more players to chime in though. I don't even know how many are around and able to change their vote. | ||
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On September 20 2012 07:19 KillingTime wrote: I need to go to bed. I can't process this stuff properly right now. Back to basics = hunting scum - so I am going back to voting my strongest scumread before all this nonsense - which was debears. I think that puts him and cubu on 2 votes each. You guys who are awake get to decide who to lynch I guess. ##unvote ##vote debears Now this is being suspicious as well. Claiming having to leave when a very tough decision is being made is scummy. This is a spot where quick decisions needs to be made and it's easy to make mistakes as scum. Just not engaging in the discussion at all, putting out a random fucking vote and then leave is scummy as hell. Anyone who was active right before Sharrant's claim and then goes poof gets massive scum points from me. I've been around when shit hit the fan as scum before and my reaction was to pull the plug (this wasn't in XXVI). | ||
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On September 20 2012 07:28 drazak wrote: Hey SDM, voting without explanation, apparently that's scummy right? Care to give one? I mean, that's why you're voting for me right? I posted my reasoning like two minutes ago. + Show Spoiler + On September 20 2012 07:21 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: I guess this is a time where I can bring up something I noticed in the was drazak was posting. I didn't think it was worth mentioning before because it seemed way off topic and it's just a small thing I noted. I've been looking at the meta of players in XXVI and compared it to this game. In XXVI he responded to accusations against based on his lack of posting by being very apologetic. This is not at all how he's been acting in this game wrt the exact same accusations. Now he's benig super defensive. That's a clear difference from his town meta. Then just a moment ago when he made his suspicious voting post it added to my suspicion. That post was a clear lie. He can't possibly have been reading up on the entire thread and claim not to have the tmie to post any reasoning. He just jumped the most convenient wagon and that's scummy. I wouldn't be opposed to lynching him. We need more players to chime in though. I don't even know how many are around and able to change their vote. On September 20 2012 07:26 Sonic Death Monkey wrote: Now this is being suspicious as well. Claiming having to leave when a very tough decision is being made is scummy. This is a spot where quick decisions needs to be made and it's easy to make mistakes as scum. Just not engaging in the discussion at all, putting out a random fucking vote and then leave is scummy as hell. Anyone who was active right before Sharrant's claim and then goes poof gets massive scum points from me. I've been around when shit hit the fan as scum before and my reaction was to pull the plug (this wasn't in XXVI). | ||
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I'm also suspicious of debear. Particularly in the light of me thinking Sharrant not being scum. I think we're better off focusing on Killing and drazak though. | ||
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I think Killing is at least as suspect as drazak. Those are the two alternatives imo. Killing's reaction to Sharrant's claim is weird. I can't believe that a townie wouldn't be excited trying to solve this or at very least be willing to chime in. This is a very pressured situation for scum. At least drazak is here and he showed up before his wagon started. | ||
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Sorry for being all over the place with my posts. | ||
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On September 20 2012 07:59 thrawn2112 wrote: One thing that seems very very strange is how nobody has voted for killing this entire game, yet lots of people have said he's very scummy and he was even a proposed lynch candidate a few times. . There could possibly be some derailment going on everytime a killing lynch is mentioned. If you've got insight into the drazak/killing/cubu/sharrant choice now is the time to speak up. Fair point. From experience, creating such derailment is really hard though. What I think is possible however, is scum putting him as a lynch candidate without actually voting for him. I did this for the entire XXVI wrt Xatalos and imcasey/WeeTee. It's kind of a fake to create distance between yourself and your scum partner. | ||
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On September 20 2012 08:01 debears wrote: ##unvote ##Vote: KillingTime @Sharrant The mason claim makes sense with Cubu as your partner. In light of this, it wouldn't make sense as mafia for you to give up your partner openly. Thus, I will not vote for either of you. @everyone else I would like to be here for the last hour or two to contribute, but as a reminder I will be gone at practice. Right now, based on drazak pulling a KillingTime and voted without putting reason, it is hard for me to decide between the two. Since drazak is here to defend himself currently and has the most votes if I count right, I will put my vote on KillingTime. I had specified in an earlier post to Sharrant kt's scummy, unhelpful posting. Although you can say the same for Drazak. I feel like KillingTime, although he said he would not be awake during the lynch, would have stayed awake to sort out the aftermath of the mason claim rather than voting and leaving. Even if you can't process it 100%, you could at least wake up after an hour nap and be there to help out. Gotta go. See you all Late tonight This comes off as scummy. It looks like he's been observing the thread in order to take his time to figure out how to handle a pressured situation (I've done this several times as scum when shit hit the fan). Then you just leave one post, trying to look active, while actually not wanting to engage in any discussion. None of his reasonings are original, it's all been brought up before. The only original part is voting for Killing instead of drazak. I'm not going to analyze this right now though. | ||
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On September 20 2012 08:19 drazak wrote: Obviously, I have many many many hours to devote to things related to mafia, the posts say 1-2 hours a day, I give more like 3-4,and obviously if I had time to read through filters and be less circumspect I would. I have a family life and other things going on, so I can't before deadline. Therefore I'm left with one option which is to say I will post about it D2 morning. I'm willing to look at Killing if other people have stopped on the whole idea of killing a lurker to prove a town. TBH killing a lurker to prove a town is one of the best things that can happen D1, as we have a town to work with D2. That's just my thought on the matter, I haven't really looked at killingtime, and I don't know what his IRL situation is at the moment, so going to bed might be because he has to be up in 4 hours already, staying up another 2-3 would be crazy. It's not "killing a lurker to prove a town", it's killing a town to prove a town. We would be at d3 without both masons and with either 1 or 2 extra townies dead (depending on how successful our d2 lynch is). Best case scenario is d3 with one scum lynched, 2 masons dead and 1 VT night killed. That's bad. The worst case scenario is fucking horrible. | ||
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