EPTI hope we go for a lurker lynch. I'm not even confident enough to go after debears anymore, even with him kind of dissapearing.
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I hope we go for a lurker lynch. I'm not even confident enough to go after debears anymore, even with him kind of dissapearing. | ||
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And no, a few one line posts aren't enough content for me. I thought you read all of the posts up until you voted for me? You have an hour and a half, right? (am I wrong, I thought deadline was 8 pm) Surely it can't be that hard to type up your reason for voting me, or coming up with something, literally anything from what you read. | ||
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Kush (1) debears (1) Sharrant (2) Cubu (2) Drazak (4) Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, and I would also appreciate it if the mods did a vote count for accuracy. | ||
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KT is a good vote with him running away as things are getting interesting. Drazak still sticks out in my mind because of how immediately defensive he got and the whole "I'll have good reads tomorrow if I don't die tonight" seemed really scummy to me. I'm willing to vote KT, but my preferred is Drazak. | ||
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I'm glad to know where we stand. I know it's a tricky situation. I could be mafia hiding with the lurkiest lurker to ever lurk, or I am a mason and you have to kill one of us to find out. It's not the prettiest situation in the world. This sitatuation has given me a much clearer read on some people though, but unless you believe my alignment you can't make the same reads. I'm not sure what to say, Drazak. You've got me stuck here. Yeah, it sucks not having time for stuff. But I can't know that for sure. You admitted your vote was pure bandwagonning, no thought. You haven't really done anything during the day. I'm still worried about Killing being mafia. There's no reason that Drazak and Killing couldn't be mafia together though, although they don't have any strong links. Thinking about who to vote for is really getting my head to spin. | ||
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Also, town get to talk during the night? This is interesting. | ||
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I'm not sure about you, I just wanted you to know why it's not a moot point. @Kush Where is all Drazak's scumhunting then? | ||
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On September 20 2012 10:45 thrawn2112 wrote: both, thought it at the time and still think it now Here's why I think the mason claim is fabricated. Before he had revealed what the plan was, he had this to say about it: Plan successful according to his explanation of the plan = he baits mason claims out of scum debears and scum thrawn, and because he is a mason he will have caught us lying because his experience of masons are that if there are more than 2 then they all share the same qt. Soooo where does the 50/50 part come into this? When he first threw out the 50/50 line I was thinking something along the lines of him being a cop and worrying about framers or godfathers and such. My imagined notion of his plan didn't make much sense to me, and with that 50/50 part his given explanation of his plan doesn't seem consitent from before he explanaied the plan and after he explained the plan. Then in that same post where he talks about the 50/50 stuff he also says that now he thinks debears and I are way less scummy. That isn't consistent with his earlier reads either. How does his supposed plan being destroyed by information from a mod make him think we are less scummy? The whole purpose of the plan in the first place was to catch scum lying... so if the plan won't work that means he has to drop his scumreads on me/debears? His next read on debears and I is that we are masons, remember this is after he said he pm'd the mod. He doesn't directly come out and say this but it is implied. So a short history of his reads on us are: He think's we're both scum. He tries to bait us into claiming mason. That plan won't work because of game mechanics. Therefore debears and I are no longer scum and we're now masons? There are no specific confirmable lies per se, but I just see a bunch of inconsistencies in how he talks about the plan from the time he first mentioned it to the time he finally explained it, and there are illogical transitions between his reads. Also, the Cubu mason claim just looks way too convienient... all throughout the last half of D1 he is asking us to trust him abhout things we have no possible way of confirming and if he's mafia then cubu is the safest townie to lie about. At the point when he dropped the cubu claim I didn't think and I don't think anyone else thought that cubu was going to ever post again. Good morning, everyone! @Thrawn The part where the 50/50 comes in is because of the altered Mason mechanics. You could have claimed Mason, and I would've been liked "Fuck yeah, mafia" in the standard I'm used to (All Masons know each other). However, that post came out after I found out about the different Mason mechanics. So if you had claimed Mason all I could've done is gone "Fuck yeah, those guys actually could be Masons because they haven't really had a 3rd buddy, or they might be mafia together with a lurker" suddenly you claiming Mason was not the be all end all of catching you. So suddenly you guys seemed a lot less scummy because it was actually possible you were both masons. I said before, I still wasn't sure about both of you. The fact that neither of you took the easy claim could have left you both as mafia that didn't want to take an easy out, or that only one of you is mafia so the claim is stupid and unsafe, or that neither of you are and the claim is unneeded. Debears is still a slightly scummy read from me, last nights incident didn't really help my read on him. He wasn't particularly involved aside from in a swing in, swing out post. SDM, and Thrawn I have very strong reads on from that, you both easily could have pushed a bandwagon on me very hard, and it likely would have stuck. So neither of you strike me as red because you had the perfect opportunity to lynch a fairly active person claiming mason, and both dumped it. Kush's read is less stable at this point. The same read applies to him, he quickly jumped in to help me out after I claimed, however he seems much more certain as to my actual alignment. I'm chalking this up solely to the fact that he doesn't think I'm dumb enough to try and pull this off from a scum perspective, rather than him being mafia and knowing my alignment. His posts immediately into the night phase were shaky though, that's given me pause in my read. I'll have to think more about it. Mason chat away Our topic was "to make out together baby" Marvellosity- "This is masonQT for Newbie XXVII. Good luck!" Sharrant- "Hey! So I guess this is our little "behind the bleachers" place, eh? There've been lots of accusations of you not posting much, I'm not putting too much faith into them. Post when you can, I'll defend you when I need to, and let's figure out this shit. I already posted my case on Kush, my reads beyond that are weak. And even that one is fairly weak, but at least it's something to start with. " Sharrant- "Hey, buddy, you've gotta get posting. You're being fixed up for a lynch, and I'd like to hear your insight on the playing field right now." Sharrant- "I may as well post it here, I'm hoping only obs can see. The whole point of my decision to force a claim on debears is due to how buddy buddy he is with Thrawn. They're so on each other so hard that I assume they're mafia. But I've been dropping the hint for them to claim mason, so I want to force debears up on the hopes that he claims mason and we get two mafia out of it. They most likely won't and it will be a failed attempt, but it has at least helped me clarify reads on a few people. My biggest town reads right now are Sonic and Jacob. Biggest scum reads are Thrawn and debears." Sharrant- "Bad news, apparently mason pairs cannot talk to other mason pairs like I am used to. So there is a chance they actually are masons. I'm dropping from them right now. You better post or else you're going to end up getting lynched. I can't keep ignoring you as a potential target without opening myself up to more suspicion." Marvellosity- "FYI, only hosts can see this QT." Sharrant- "Neat! I wasn't sure how it was set up. Thank you for the clarification. :-)" Sharrant- "So, I've got a whole forum to myself. Whatever will I do with it." Sharrant- "Honestly, any time you want to come into the game, that'd be cool. If you don't seem, I'm going to start walking around naked in this QT." Sharrant- "Oops, I said seem when I meant soon." Sharrant- "I'm literally wiping my balls on the submit message button right now. Touch it if you dare." Sharrant- "If Cubu lives and gets replaced, I'm so sorry to the new mason. You didn't deserve the ballsweat on the message button." I'm tempted not to post this part to preserve Marvellosity's honour, but what the hell. Marvellosity- "I'm enjoying this tremendously. *especially* the ball sweat." Sharrant- "Then just you wait, if I'm trapped in here by myself for a few days there's going to be a lot more than just ball sweat on that button. You can bet on that, baby." Sharrant- "What? I have to share my fortress with someone else too? I only want you!" Marvellosity- "New player incoming  "No, that isn't a novel about my budding romance with Marvellosity due to stockholm syndrome after being captured and put in the Mason QT, that is everything I've said in there up until now. And everything Cubu has said. If you've got anything more you want answered after that, I'll be happy to. But make it quick, there's the potential that you only have 10 hours to ask. I'm going to do a more thorough read on everything that happened while I was away, a post will be up on that shortly. | ||
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You became suspicious in my eyes when you refused to acknowledge debears buddying up to you as scummy in the slightest, and became scummy in my eyes when you seemed upset when people went after him. It was mainly the change in your posting style that suggested a link between you two. The reason I was happy to write that off as Mason afterwards is once that possibility was introduced, you going on the attack for him being accused makes a lot of sense. You can't rely on having 3 votes, you have to convince people, and you weren't particularly defensive about the accusations, just visibly upset. Later you claimed Non-Mason, but by this point I had a much more town read of you which only increased as we got closer to the deadline for the reason I posted before, dismantling the easy bandwagon on a claimed green. Maybe that was a gamble on your part, he's green, let's go after an unknown quantity and hope he's blue, but that's very doubtful in my eyes. | ||
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M-8:14PM 17th S-10:56AM 18th S-11:17 PM S-11:22 AM 19th S-11:50 AM M-12:14 PM S-1:01 PM S-5:09 PM S-5:20 PM S-5:28 PM S-5:46 PM S-6:42 PM M-7:37 PM S-7:50 PM S-8:05 PM M-8:07 AM Yeah, I probably should've posted my plan into my mason box earlier, but I was waiting for him to say literally anything first. | ||
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Time stamps are all in EDT @SDM After I learned the mason mechanics, I think it's covered in my other post. It became apparent they could both actually be Masons, thus if they claimed Mason, it was not possible to immediately act on it because there's a distinct possibility of it being true. @Thrawn Yes, at that point you weren't for sure scum in my eyes, I just had you as suspicious, and debears as scum. But since both of you seemed to be buddied it seemed to be worth the risk. | ||
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Yes, it's not that it's 50/50, it's just that it makes his claim possible, which means even if they had claimed Mason after that, it was no longer guaranteed they were mafia, so we would potentially go "You're not a mason!" -> debears dies and is revealed Mason "No, you're not a mason!" Sharrant dies and is revealed mason -> we just wasted two lynches due to a misunderstanding I caused. @Thrawn Okay, so, the times for stuff you wanted, Thrawn. At the beginning of the game you lobbed out the real softball question "Do we lynch the last lurker into the thread"? Then debears comes and hits a home run, and answers it perfectly, but then also says that it's his first game, but Thrawn is "my man crush". He comes in and defends you later about the softball question, saying he has a town read on you at this point based solely on the fact that you lobbed a softball question out there, and a mafia would never do that. He then makes a case on you being town, and then says he agrees with all of your points on everyone up to that point. He continues defending you, and then goes after SDM based on a joke about Kush's post. You then also go after SDM, over the same post, but also keep up with several other players (Kush's lack of scum hunting, Killing's vote on debears which links back to you and debears again). Now, the KillingTime/debears thing, is that KT seemed scummy as all hell for that vote, but I did agree with his target AND he won town points with me for actually voting. It was way too early, way too uncoordinated, and had no logic behind bussing debears. So it's scummy player versus scummy player fairly early on with a vote already placed. But with debears defense of you, and the links you two had shared up until that point, I decided that you were the bigger target. More risk, but more reward. If I went after KillingTime, and we had gotten a lynch on him based on that evidence, then we would've possibly gotten one unconnected mafia that gave us no leads on who his buddies might be. Going after you was a bigger risk/reward. Possibility of two mafia, but it would also take a pretty aggressive approach on my part, but you guys have already been very buddy buddy, and at that time I was sure there could only be one group of masons. So I put started putting the pressure on, and you started getting visibly frustrated in your posts. At least that's how it seemed to me, I'm not sure what your posting style is, but you had cooler responses, and you seemed more emotional in the ones related to me, or people going after debears. Eventually we get to the point where debears is actually ahead in the vote count, exactly where I wanted him earlier, when I realized, hm, I'm not sure about that mechanic exactly, I should PM Marvel. So I PM'ed him, got the answer, and tried to immediately call off the bandwagon that had started on debears because I had made a critical error earlier in not asking. At this point I figured it was pretty obvious I was a mason but didn't want to reveal my plan entirely because that involves going "hey, I'm a mason". So because of that I ended up being the one with all of the votes. At this point I still had a big tool, revealing I'm a mason and having Cubu back me up. That's why I was so calm through everyone's accusations (well, I'm generally pretty clam, but having a trump card made it easier). Eventually I am forced to reveal, but I don't want to give up my mason buddy because I consider that bad play. My plan at that point was to try and convince you guys to not lynch me, or if I was sure of being lynched I would leave a message hidden in a post that Cubu could refer back to and prove he actually was my partner. People still wanted to lynch either me or Cubu though, so I thought it through, imagined every scenario that could come of this, and decided revealing us both was better. We potentially take up a night kill that could kill a jailkeeper or a cop, if one of us ever dies the other is automatically confirmed, and I stop two 100% sure mislynches in trade for one possible good lynch. Then Thrawn brought up the point about killing Cubu to confirm me, I didn't like that plan, but it has merit. Unfortunately it would leave town down 2 members with no mafia killed guaranteed. So that's still an option if you guys don't find all my answers satisfactory, or if Sharky also ends up lurking this game. | ||
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I guess I didn't need to post the wall of text after that, but I felt it would help to explain my motives on you and debears to the fullest. I think that will be the last I have to say about being a mason, still, if there are questions I'll happily answer. For now I'd like to move back onto scum hunting rather than having to prove my role. Up on my radar right now is (in no particular order) debears, Atreides, and kush. I need to read through JAcob's most recent posts again before I have a more solid idea on him. Kush right now is up there mainly for his points immediately after Drazak's death. He says he was just bandwaggoning, got caught up writing a post so he missed the deadline, but he also never thought Drazak was lurking and the biggest slip up in my eyes. He thought Drazak was doing great things scumhunting. I can't find a post by Drazak where he's scumhunting. Also his latest posts were one lined little bits saying almost nothing. Atreides pops up because he sort of appears every now and again, says a few things and pops off. Doesn't really seem to hunt for people, but had something to say after Drazak died nonetheless. debears is up there for everything that happened earlier, but I'm still trying to process how the last half of day 1 changed my opinion of him. He's had good and bad posts since then which I'll need to take a closer look at. | ||
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Atreides, I'd like your reads on all of the people involved with my bandwagon, the Drazak bandwagon, and on Killing. What made you decide that Cubu, Killing, Drazak, and Stutters were not good lynch candidates? @Kush Can you please show where Drazak's scum hunting was, I would like an explanation on this point specifically On September 20 2012 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: I didn't even think drazak is scummy. I just voted for him now because of the last minute omg we need to vote for someone confusion. 1 he is not that scummy. a lot of scumhunting and nothing that strikes me as a huge scumslip 2 he's not even a lurker. I thought he was more of a lurker but I just went through his filter and I would not consider him a lurker. He had a few posts on day 1 that made him seem active, but they said very little. Then he promises more posts after he sleeps. His next post is a vote with a single line of text. And then he only really shows up when he's being put up on the vote, and they don't offer any scumhunting. The only time it gets close is when he called out SDM because he posted his reasoning in the post before he voted. | ||
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When Atreides said "mafia obviously had a big hand" in the bandwagon switching over, that is not just a stupid statement, that is a scummy statement. You can't deny that. It's taking a big opportunity (the flipping of a green) to then paint ALL of the most active players as mafia. If he's mafia, that's absolutely a reason to say it. That's motive. Not sure if he's mafia, but if he were I would expect him and Kush to be mafia together. THe Atreides/Kush team is definitely a stretch, but that's the feeling I have at this point. They've both come and left at awkward times, both had something to say immediately after Drazak flipped green, and their explanations were both questionable. Thrawn being mafia is possible, on one hand he stopped a bandwagon on someone he would have then known for sure was not lying about being the mason. On the other he was pushing to lynch Cubu to verify my claim (which most likely would have ended in my night death). I'm still giving him the benefit of the doubt on this one. SDM is relatively good in my books, at this point I'm thinking of him as town. Remedy is still an unknown quantity in my eyes. I'm especially not following his little bit on Thrawn and Drazak there, Thrawn attacked Drazak, not defended. Jacob seems like town for the most part, but he's a weak read for me. If I'm alive in 10 minutes I'll be going through his filter very thoroughly. KillingTime is still suspicious. Did Atreides or Kush ever go after him? I think Kush mentioned he would've gone for him, but still went with Drazak, so that makes it less likely, but I'm not sure. Stutters is worrying, I'd look into him as he starts to post more. But I really don't know, there's been too little from him to get a really good read. Rethos has always given me a scum feeling, but I've never had real strong evidence to be able to back up that feeling. Debears was scummy early, seemed pretty townie during the last bit of day 1. I'm more interested in how his case against Thrawn will hold up across Day 2, that's where I think the most earnest read of him will come from. Remember, there could be an SK even if there are no kills, at this point as SK that would be my plan because you guys aren't used to playing with a serial killer. It's very different from the mafia in the way it has to be played. Hopefully more from me on D2, otherwise good bye, and good luck! | ||
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Why am I so sure? Because I was roleblocked, and it had previously been discussed me being RB'ed by the jailor so that I wouldn't die. It makes no sense for anyone else to RB me, either we have a seperate town RB'er who is still very suspicious of me, or we have a very bad mafia RB'er who thought RB'ing a mason would actually do something. In my mind it's much more likely SDM RB'ed me, and a townie or mafia RB'ed Thrawn. Thrawn, I would like to know exactly how your RB text was written. EXACTLY. Please. Now here's where things get tricky. I assume SDM RB'ed me to save me. And there was another possible jailor, possible vanilla roleblock, or possible lie about a role block by Thrawn. (I do consider Thrawn fairly town so I'm not sure about him lying, it seems to be a big risk). So here's where the really big question comes in If someone is jailed and attacked, are they informed they survived an attack? Because if they are not informed, it's entirely possible that I was attacked, or Thrawn was attacked, but we don't know. Thus the SK possibility is just as high as it started. Hell, it's entirely possible that due to the flavour we're considering that a mafia attack, when it was an SK attack. He's said the fluff is just fluff, so we don't know what type of scum killed him. (For now I'm still considering it a mafia attack though, but it's a 70-30 thing because I think mafia would more likely go after me, and SK more likely SDM, but this is a newbie game so that's just speculation) If we are informed, then it's most likely there is no SK, unless they took a liking to my earlier post on how I would play an SK in this situation. Rethos' replacement is kind of out of the blue for me, I had a scum feeling about him before, I'm not sure how that will change with him suddenly having a new personality. Kush does stand out to me as a distinct possibility as mafia, but I do agree we should focus more on the lurkier players still. THere's a very good chance that the group of Dandel Ion, Remedy, Atreides, KillingTime contain at least one scum. Just spitballing here, but Remedy+KillingTime or Dandel Ion+Atreides make the most sense as teams in my head unless there's some attack-y stuff between them I'm not remembering. There's a good chance only one of those 4 is scum though, unfortunately it's hard to read while they're still lurking. At least with Dandel Ion we should hopefully be getting a more clear read today. Also, especially with the new players joining it's imperrative you check the spelling of people's names. Honestly, my name was misspelled ninety percent of the time on Day 1, it got a little annoying. And some of them were really funny on other people, like Atreides had his name bombed pretty hard. | ||
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I really like Dandel's post. If nothing else it makes me think of him as much more likely being town. Rethos totally fucked him over in that regards though. His weird little freakout/lying spree/wah wah I quit really painted him as scummy. Dandel, you're still really suspicious to me, but you haven't really had time to make a case either way. I've mentioned even before Rethos freaked out that I was pretty sure he was scum, just based on a feeling. And then he gives me evidence as powerful as that. There seems to be a growing movement against Thrawn, but I'm suspicious of the people who it comes from. It's a possibility I've kept in mind, primarily from the times he has started posting very aggresively, but unless something big comes out, I don't think I'm on board with trying to bandwagon him. I'd rather wait for him to slip up later. On a Kush/Thrawn/Stutters team Stutters was someone that Thrawn avoided in his lurker lynch policy, when I still considered him a strong lurker (but less so than Drazak after his bandwagon vote on me, and than Killing post his earlier scumminess). If I'm wrong, please show me where, but I believe Thrawn has avoided Stutters for the most part. He's shown a lot of bluster when dealing with Kush, they've picked fights, but they've never actually gone after each other for the most part. There's a possible bus set up by Kush, but I dunno, that'd be a rather convenient team. Now where that falls apart somewhat is with Thrawn's current case against Stutters. He's either setting up a possible bus because of Stutters lack of posting, or he's a legitimate town thinking that Stutters hasn't been posting and was part of the mislynch bandwagon. Problems I have with this: He's bussing when there's a really strong bandwagon on Dandel? Unlikely. But I also have a problem with the set up, it's rather weak on its dependence on the premise that at least 1 mafia was involved in the lynching. I keep hearing a lot about how Kush is off his game, I can't attest to that, I can however say he does seem to ignore possibilities entirely at several points. Not seeing the scum motivation in casting all the voters on the Drazak bandwagon as scum, immediately considering myself and (then Cubu, now) Sharky confirmed town. Yes it would be dumb to be playing a WIFOM game that's so easy to confirm two scum, but it's still a possibility until myself or Sharky dies. So I'm still undecided on Kush as well, fact is he's a fairly regular poster and that also gives him so points in my book. Right now my #1 is Stutters, until I hear more from him, or someone can bring up something I missed that changed my mind. ##vote Stutters695 Remedy is also up there, he's just been lurking hard, and has played slightly scummy. Unfortunately my read hasn't really changed on him because not much has been said by him (again, if I'm missing something please let me know). Dandel is a possible for me. Rethos was scummy as shit by the end, but I'd personally feel bad killing Dandel for that without giving himself a chance to extricate himself from Rethos' bad play. That might be a mistake, I'm not sure. If it comes down to it, I will vote for him. Kush, man, you're still while I may be undecided on you, you're still knee deep in shit just for saying Drazak did a lot of scum hunting. The post you quoted was his only post of any contribution, and it was so weak I don't even know what to say. Maybe it really, really, really did convince you, and I'm just missing the spectacular things hidden inside of that post, but maybe you're trying to buy yourself some town cred. I'm really not sure, you are hard to read at times. | ||
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