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Well, fuck. I'm sorry, everyone. I had to PM the mod, and the mechanics in this game are similar but not quite the same to what I am used to. Enough to the point that were my plan successful the information would still be 50/50 on proving mafia.
Debears, your play has struck me as scummy, but I wasn't playing with full knowledge of the situation. You and Thrawn both stand a much better chance of being town in my eyes than you did 5 minutes ago.
So, I'm going with the lurkers now. Remedy, that vote randomly popping up on Kush is pretty suspicious to me, but I'm still more suspicious of stutters. So that's where my vote is going for now, but depending on Stutters next post, it could end up on Remedy very easily.
##unvote debears
##vote stutters695
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On September 20 2012 00:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
fish are assholes. apparently worms are no longer a viable part of the fish diet. only managed to catch 1.
sharrant:
Please give me at least one possible example where "forcing" someone to roleclaim under threat of a lynch will end up being good. I don't see it.
Also, you keep talking about this crazy plan you have that you won't divulge to us..... we're just supposed to accept on faith that it's a good plan and therefore you're town?
kush you have been asked this several times by different people but I still don't like your explanation of why you prefer debears over sharrant. I think you said that both of their play is bad but that debears play is bad scum wheras sharrant is bad town. So what you're saying is that dickriding a player looks scummier than asking for roleclaims, voting for people you have no intentions of lynching, being obssesed with blue and sk roles, and saying "guys dont lynch me I have a secret plan"? I can see why people would think that debears is scummy but I can't see how they see him scummier than sharrant unless they're going off of half-baked association cases.
@Thrawn
You keep bringing up the blues in response to me, I don't know why. I mentioned Kush fitting the SK role with his style of play, because it was scummy but independently scummy. Blue roles came just because they were an off thing of what I was expecting, it's a possibility that anyone is a blue.
At this point I think I have you and debears pinned down pretty specifically to a role, and it's not mafia. If you're the role I think you are, you should be able to figure out what I am from my posts today.
Also, you misread that, I was displaying the situation from a mafia perspective, thus "going 1:1 with town is dumb". It's very good to do that from a town perspective.
@Kush
Yes, this is my first game of forum mafia. I'm used to playing with similar but different roles, so that's why my plan was so awful in this version of mafia.
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@Thrawn
The mod never made mention of either of you, the question did not have anything to do with either of you. It was a question of mechanics which made both of you appear less scummy to me. Make of that what you will, I think you should be able to figure it out with what I was saying earlier.
@SDM
1. Werewolf, MafiaSC2, and just regular Mafia. All of those have had some form of independent killer. Werewolf having lonewolf/witch, Mafia SC2 having MM/Arson/SK, and regular mafia having SK as well.
This is not my first rodeo.
2. No, I haven't read through any of the games on this forum in detail. I've read through a number of games at mafiascum though.
3. At that point both of them had struck me as scummy players. Killing for going after easy reads, debears for parroting. Killing had made some mention of debears being mafia and went as far as to vote for him. I saw this as an issue that would end up being a distraction when it's two scummy players against each other, so I wanted to focus it on the one I found more scummy and see more of how thrawn and debears both reacted.
4. Yes, you are right about that, I was meaning when I posted to vote him. I had a slight town read on both of them before the fact that debears was just reposting what thrawn had written crept more into my mind. So I put in my vote, based on the fact that at that point they were both scummy to me, with debears being slightly ahead. I figured only one would be mafia, I could be wrong and it could be Killing that is. At this point, I am not interested in Thrawn or debears as a lynch until I see more of what they say. When I looked at what they said, I had an incorrect grasp of the roles, their abilities, and their possibilities in this game, looking at it with new information it strikes me as very possible that they are both town.
5. My read on him as SK was also always backed up by the fact that it could also always be explained by just poor townie play. I picked up on him as SK or "town that just blurts things out" because he was so afraid of NKs, and the few sort of slips he did have were not real mafia slips. They looked scummy to me, but not what I would expect from a mafia, rather what I've seen from other SKs. His last few posts have made me sure he's not mafia. THere's still a small chance he could be SK, but for now I view him as town until there's proof of an SK. To me the "please don't kill me"s seemed genuine enough that I didn't believe he was mafia, but the slips also pushed me in a scummy direction. Thus that was the only step that could take.
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@SDM
My plan is null because of things I did not know about the roles. Yes, getting lynched is on my mind. But if I have to I'll reveal, and it should be fairly apparent that I'm town. If I told you what I asked, it would tell you my role. If you combine those two facts, it should be fairly obvious to figure out what my role is, assuming you believe that I'm telling the truth about either of them.
The fact that I'm calm comes from being put up fairly often. I'm used to trial and lynch games, where votes are much freer. You put someone up to 50%+1 and then a trial begins where they give their final defense, and then people vote innocent or guilty. I'm also used to games where a double nomination begins a trial. I'm not particularly used to 50%+1 is a kill, so I intended to use L-1 as a trial stand similar to how I do in other games.
In that style of voting you often end up being called out and role claiming is quite often on the first day (again though, I'm used to D1 being post night phase) so there is often a jailor/investigative role of some kind/doc that can confirm them in some way shape or form.
@SDM
Yes, I have used reads from other games in this game. THey are games I played in. They were rendered moot by the information I found out. It was a question I should have asked at the start of the game, because it was not mentioned in the roles, but I had just assumed it.
@Thrawn
Yes, there was the slimmest chance I thought he was a blue. I thought it was more likely he was SK, or loud town, then the very teeny possibility he was just the world's most obvious blue.
When you questioned my vote it was also after several more posts of yours, and the way your posting changed when you called me out on that. You stopped being cool, you started being aggressive. Why the change in demeanor from me going after the guy that's buddying up to you? It wasn't OMGUS that had he ready to go after you, it was how you reacted to debears, and how he reacted to you.
After that I realized how many lurkers we still had, and decided I was less comfortable with my read on you two because of your posting (not because of debears, he's more scummy than you at this point in my mind). So I figured you two are still going to post the same amount the next day, let's get someone who has just been hiding all day.
Yes, I decided I shouldn't go after you guys anymore based on information I had been previously unaware of, that would explain the way you two were acting based upon my role. I can't get much more obvious without spelling it out.
So I settled on Stutters for scummiest lurker, and was waiting for his post before I decided whether I was more comfortable going after Remedy instead.
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@Thrawn
The Mason set up I'm used to has all masons being able to talk to each other, as opposed to pairs of masons that speak only to their partner.
With that information in mind, rethink about what plans I might have had, and I think you'll see what I was bread crumbing for you and debears to do if you were both mafia.
For now, Thrawn, I'm ready to concede that you're town. There are still things that don't add up in my eyes, and those are the things involving debears.
@debears
Killing came back into my sights a few pages ago. I dropped him again after his post mentioning Atreides that you quoted. You're right though, I thought he would have made more posts since I came back.
@SDM, @debears
I'm going to have to agree with you two at this point. At this point my vote is going to be going to killer, Stutters' recent posts have put him on good footing, and Cubu is still just an unkown quantity.
unvote Stutter695
vote KillingTime
@Rethos you have missed things. Thrawn picked up on it, but he's unsure whether or not he believes me.
Since this is piling up so much, I guess I'll be the one that has to claim today, although it's already pretty obvious.
I'm Mason, I was trying to bread crumb debears and Thrawn into claiming Mason under the assumption that all masons are aware and can talk, rather than just pairs. That's why I brought up the fact that they could be masons several times either directly our roundabout, to give them an easy way out of looking scummy that matches what they had already done. If we had voted debears up and he had claimed mason, we would have immediately had two mafia members. But this was before I knew that Masons were pairs and that there could be multiple pairs.
@Drazak
... You honestly had time to got hrough every single post and then voted me with a single sentence completely lacking any justification AND you did it in such a way that you look like you're only suggesting that you might be voting for me. AND you commited the cardinal sin of putting someone at L-1 without giving them warning.
You just reached my number one spot.
##unvote KillingTime
##vote Drazak
You're scum, and you just had the most obvious bandwagonning in the world.
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So yeah, everyone should be aware at this point.
I AM AT L-1. The next vote will kill me.
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Fuck, EBWOP, I used the wrong format on my first set of votes, I guess I'll just leave out the middle man in this one
##unvote Stutters695
##vote Drazak
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@Drazak
The fact that you don't even acknowledge that voting for someone with not even a word of explanation, and putting them at L-1 without declaring it is scummy, is even more scummy.
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Okay, so lynches only ever occur at the end of the day, there's no auto lynch once you hit 50%+1? Because I didn't actually see the style of voting mentioned in the OP. So I just assumed the person with the majority of votes at the end of the day is lynched, or if someone has a majority of the votes on them they are lynched.
Then I take back the part about L-1, question why no one else said anything about it earlier when I brought up L-1, and apologize to Drazak about it.
But still, Drazak, do you not see why posting a vote with aboslutely no reasoning is scummy?
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@Stutters
Every single time I said they could have been Masons was me trying to get them to claim it, or consider it as a claim.
And really, after the town was so hugely against a role claim, you want me to out another player before it's confirmed whether or not I'll be lynched?
Then what, I die to a town lynch, and then my partner dies to mafia or possibly SK over night?
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No, Kush, I am mason. I was trying to get debears to claim it so I would catch him and Thrawn lying, but the fact that there can be multiple mason pairs made that a moot tell, and I dropped it as soon as I found that out.
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Yes. Ending up going 2 for 2 with mafia provided you claimed mason, and if you claimed VT, I would've moved back onto Killing, or found the next scummiest outside of you and debears.
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It is provable. But I have to out my partner to do so. And then you have to decide whether I'm stupid enough as mafia to end up outting another mafia to die with me, or whether I'm stupid enough as a mason to kill my fellow mason. At this point I am very close to calling him out though.
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Welp, I guess I may as well. It'll save him in the long run, if enough of you had believed me about being Mason without confirming him, you probably would have killed him for lurking anyways.
Actually, I've changed my mind about this. If I out him most likely only one of us dies tonight, a confirmed townie will survive, and best of all, it will possibly save a blue's life.
So here's the part where you guys either instantly decide I'm guilty by assosciation, or whether I just am the mason with the shittiest luck ever.
My mason buddy... is (drum roll please)... CUBU
The current post count in our QT is 10, 8 posts by me, 2 by Marvel! Hooray!
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I honestly wish I was trolling. I know, I know. Atreides defended me earlier, would've been great to have as a mason buddy. SDM? Would've been great as a mason buddy, he seems to know his shit and I think he's town. Thrawn? That'd be baller too.
You'll notice how the only time I ever acknowledged Cubu about lurking is once when I said "We should go after the scummy lurker instead of the afk lurker" That's because Cubu is my partner. And has not said a single thing to me yet. Hopefully he shows up in this thread to confirm me. More like he will show up in this thread at 7:55 and I'll die because no one will be there to notice.
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@Thrawn
There is no possibility of a medic. There is a possibility of a jail keeper.
I'm somewhat willing to go through with this. I really, really, really, really don't like it. It involves killing the only person I can confirm as town. And it means one of the scummier players also gets to D2 unhindered. But it would confirm me as town if I can live through the night (I'm a bit happier with that part). And it's not like Cubu has really contributed much.
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@SDM
I see your point, we mislynch tonight, and we're back in the same situation on Day 2 if mafia doesn't kill either Cubu or me. We'll still be unconfirmed unless Cubu wakes up and makes a post, and even then it will still look scummy so we will most likely end up having to kill either me or Cubu to confirm that me and Cubu are both town.
But lynching Cubu is (and only is for me) knowledge that we're killing a town. I don't like that, even though he hasn't contributed anything. It might be the more reasonable answer at this point though.
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SDM, my vote is fluid, and I trust you. My suspicion is still strongest on Drazak for that swing in, vote with no explanation, swing out. But I don't know who we can really go after at this point. I don't even know if we should switch off of Cubu.
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Everyone take 15 and read and reread everything Killing and Drazak have said and then we figure things out from there?
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My biggest lurker lynch candidate is Drazak, by far.
HE has 6 total posts. 2 of them one liners, one of them a one liner with a vote. He voted me without mentioning anything, just the vote. He also put it inside another sentence to make it less obvious he actually was voting for me.
He has posted 0, and I repeat 0 attempts at scumhunting. Not even a bad attempt, not even an attempt at parroting. Just nothing. Only defensive posts. Killing is up there for me still, but Drazak is my #1.
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