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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:23 GMT
#349
Seriously guys. Discussing Palmar's WIFOM is going to get us nowhere because people can chew on WIFOM all day without putting their necks on the line and offering reads.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:24 GMT
#350
On September 01 2012 08:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:19 Risen wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:18 BlackMamba24 wrote:
lol @ people voting for palmar


You wanna actually say something useful?

Oh just hopping on the Palmar is Palmar is Palmar lets give him a wash so he can bullshit every game he's in.

You're voting for Palmar because you dislike him, not because you think he's scum. This doesn't even warrant a discussion. It's just noise.

Are you BMB?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:25 GMT
#352
On September 01 2012 08:23 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
what the one against you? how am i pretending it doesnt exist


You said that you're getting voted because you're criticizing the lurker-policy lynch. Oh whoops wait no ppl are voting for you 'cause of your shitty case.

Misrespresentation at its finest. Can we invoke lynch all liars here?

Hapa can you read my ghost case? Please?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:27 GMT
#357
On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV


Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows?

He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment.


I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays.


Hiro, now that I've done what you asked me to and responded to MT, what is your read on Ghost?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:29 GMT
#359
On September 01 2012 08:28 Risen wrote:
Ok I'm done. Nothing ever changes in these games because you all just let shitty play happeen. Meta shift from Risen inc. I'm going to start trolling and then once in a while I'll post an awesome case so I get supported by anecdote.

Noooooooooooooooo quit flaming people and read my case, stay rational. I fucking hate trolls too, but leaning on them D1 usually only gives scum cover for a mislynch
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:30 GMT
#360
On September 01 2012 08:19 Mementoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV


Lol I forgot that game, he clearly has me red on his map from day 1.

The difference between this game and that game is huge though. That game, he probably wanted to act useless so he didn't get killed night 1 by scum, and than come into the thread with some good reads when more information is available. There is no excuse this game though because its controlled completely by lynches with no night phase. So it's really confusing to me why he would join the game and play useless.


MMT: you posted a little bit about how bad the cases on you were. I used what you posted and expanded it on Ghost. Can you please read that case?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:31 GMT
#362
On September 01 2012 08:27 MrZentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:20 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:18 Risen wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:15 HiroPro wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:14 strongandbig wrote:
On September 01 2012 08:03 Palmar wrote:
##vote mementoss


##vote palmar

Like, the number of times people have told me that "being lazy" is palmar's scum meta...

I can't really accept missing the whole first day and then jumping back in with the most random freaking unreasoned explicit sheep vote I've ever seen.

I'm not really concerned at the moment with "viable candidates". I don't think any of the main cases are stronger than my gut reaction to what palmar just did.

If this is "a trap" palmar, then consider yourself successful, you caught me. By playing as scummy as possible, you trapped me and convinced me that you are scum. Huzzah.

Now, I'm going to bed. See you guys tomorrow if I live.


town Palmar.....

LIV


Hiro read what I just posted. Scum Palmar would want you to think just that. Then again, maybe it's town Palmar being town Palmar. Who knows?

He's doing it because he can, because in the past he's been able to get away with bad play like this. People like you enable him to have free reign in games, regardless of alignment.


I am not lynching the best scumhunter in this game because he likes to troll d1. We lynch him later if he doesn't find scum, not because we don't like the way he plays.


No.

If somebody acts like mafia, they get lynched.

I'm not going to delay the lynching of a mafia, just because you're afraid of lynching a veteran.

Zentor, where have you been all day? Post a case or else I'm going to push for a vigi hit/D2 lynch on you.

Also read my case on Ghost. Everyone get moving and read that case.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:32 GMT
#364
On September 01 2012 08:31 Risen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 08:27 Hapahauli wrote:
And can we cut out the shit about Palmar? Exactly what does this do to catch scum? Grow a pair and vote him or don't.


Oh whoops.

##unvote
##vote: Palmar


Actively lurking. Trolling. Thinking he's better than us. Screws off if you're town I'm tunneling the shit out of you every game I play with you until you change.

Risen: if Palmar flips town, and everyone votes him, exactly what do we learn from that lynch?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
August 31 2012 23:38 GMT
#371
DrH can you please use one account while posting? Makes digging through your filter unnecessarily difficult when you swtich back and forth between your alt and your main acct
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:16 GMT
#404
On September 01 2012 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm going to keep my vote on Palmar for a bit. As it stands, there are a couple of people I want to hear more from before I decide what to do with my vote - namely those that haven't voted yet. I'll give em an hour.

Relooking at some filters, I'm growing a bit wary of HiroPro, and his actions seem to follow a scum thought-process.

  • He enters the thread and builds a "case" on MMtoss. This "case" is a re-hash of most of what I pointed out earlier in the post.
  • What seems scummy to me is how quickly he dropped his case. You'd think that a townie would have a bit more confirmation bias? But he drops it the second MMtoss posts his defense to HiroPro for his MrZentor/Hapa scumteam. That seems like a really weak reason to drop your main scumread.
  • He spends the next few hours making one-liners and trying to contribute, when really not. Take a look at his filter.


Thoughts?


I'm actually in substantial agreement here. After rereading the voting rules (first-to-plurality) I had a strong scumread on the three wagoners of MMToss--Mkfuba, Ghost, and Hiro, and I dug through their three filters and found the scummiest one to post on.

This has been reconfirmed by the fact that Hiro and Mkfuba have all rescinded their reads.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:20 GMT
#409
On September 01 2012 09:19 Node wrote:
I'm going to vote for BlackMamba. Here's why:

Show nested quote +
One scum almost always takes it upon themselves to make large posts early on and establish themselves as very very "pro-town". They love buzzwords like "anti-town" and other stupid things like that. I just can't see any reason for a townie to spend that much time, early in the game, establishing their townieness unless there is a mayoral election or something like that.


This is such an incredibly wrong and scummy statement that it's unbelievable. Think about what it means for just a second. Mamba is saying that going out of your way to establish your townieness is unnecessary -- even scummy. It's even one of the first rules in Ver's guide: establish your own innocence in order to create a good atmospere and make it easier to find scum. (forgive me for not citing it directly at this moment; my resources are limited)

Now, why would he want to enforce this? Only scum could possibly want to establish an atmosphere where showing your innocence is a bad thing.

There's also the insinuation that claiming self-aware miller is a poor choice, the questionable case against Hapa (dismissed with an "I wasn't-really-trying" excuse), and the statement that voting for someone doing as little as Palmar would actually be a bad idea. All of this comes together to show somebody that isn't trying to establish a pro-town atmosphere, is pushing the wrong targets, and is definitely scum.

##vote BlackMamba24


Where the fuck where you today?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:20 GMT
#410
On September 01 2012 09:20 Hapahauli wrote:
Interesting... I post suspicions against Hiro, then two posters throw down two votes against two different players. Coincidence?

It's getting close to deadline, everything's going to be cramped.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:21 GMT
#411
So at this point I'm think Ghost is trying to push MMToss as a long-term mislynch. MMToss has been forced to vote Palmar, Palmar flips town, then Ghost jumps all over MMToss for the second mislynch.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:22 GMT
#413
Seriously, Ghost, Hiropro, and Mkfuba are probably the scumteam. You heard it here first.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:23 GMT
#417
On September 01 2012 09:22 Hapahauli wrote:
Up for swinging a vote against HP Shady?

Sure.

## Unvote
## Vote Hiropro
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:25 GMT
#422
On September 01 2012 09:17 Mementoss wrote:
Alright I gotta go for the night

##Unvote: ShadySands
##Vote: Palmar


I know I'm town, and me not dieing gives a hell of a lot better chances of actually killing scum, rather than killing someone actually generating discussion towards finding scum.

@hapa, Apparently Hiro usually posts one-liners all the time, but your first 2 bullets are good.

If I die, kill ghost or blackmamba.


MM Vote Hiro, let's this wagon going.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:25 GMT
#423
ebwop let's get this wagon going.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:32 GMT
#427
On September 01 2012 09:26 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 09:25 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:24 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:17 Hapahauli wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:16 BlackMamba24 wrote:
On September 01 2012 09:13 Hapahauli wrote:
I'm going to keep my vote on Palmar for a bit. As it stands, there are a couple of people I want to hear more from before I decide what to do with my vote - namely those that haven't voted yet. I'll give em an hour.

Relooking at some filters, I'm growing a bit wary of HiroPro, and his actions seem to follow a scum thought-process.

  • He enters the thread and builds a "case" on MMtoss. This "case" is a re-hash of most of what I pointed out earlier in the post.
  • What seems scummy to me is how quickly he dropped his case. You'd think that a townie would have a bit more confirmation bias? But he drops it the second MMtoss posts his defense to HiroPro for his MrZentor/Hapa scumteam. That seems like a really weak reason to drop your main scumread.
  • He spends the next few hours making one-liners and trying to contribute, when really not. Take a look at his filter.


Thoughts?


That's a bit misleading. He was not convinced at all by MMtoss' first defense and only unvoted after MMtoss cleared it up further. If he was looking for a reason to drop his case, he would have done it sooner than that. MMtoss later addresses HiroPro's main suspicion and the answer satisfied him.


That's the interesting part - he tunnels MMtoss until I explicitly point out his "first defense" (the longer post I take it?) to HiroPro. Then HiroPro posts that he's waiting for MMtoss to respond to him. Then he immediately drops his read after MMtoss responds.


That's not suspicious. He was saying MMtoss' defense wasn't adequate because he didn't address the point. Then when MMtoss addressed the point, he was satisfied. What's scummy about that? We can't have another bandwagon switch right now, the vote is close and there's not a lot of time left in the day.


Because it was too easy. After tunneling MMtoss the entire game, HP was satisfied with just that post? Seriously? I call BS.

Why not? tunneling the entire game was like all of a few hours and it seemed to satisfy you so why is it "too easy" when HiroPro likes his answer and not when you like his answer?

What?
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:35 GMT
#428
On September 01 2012 09:29 BlackMamba24 wrote:
Your whole "case" literally boils down to the fact that he changed his vote after the person he pressured defended himself, which is basically what you did, putting suspicion on MMToss then retracting it when he defended himself, except you were satisfied even quicker than he was so i really don't understand why people are changing votes at all

since when is it scummy anyway to change your mind

"too easy" is meaningless what does that even mean

it's not like MMtoss defense was so stellar he couldn't have continued pushing him if it was really his scum agenda


Except Hapa never formalized his PoV on mementoss into a case or laid a vote on him. He just agreed with someone's read on Mementoss, and that's it. That's a heck of a lot weaker than making a 400 word post on him and voting.
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
September 01 2012 00:36 GMT
#429
Town, if you haven't done so yet:
Vote Hiropro


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=16075232

Hapa's case on him.
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